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Sergio Rodriguez thread num 2
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He is CLEARLY the best passer on this team. I would bet his assts per minute are at the top of the league. He reminds me a little of Nash in that he rarely loses his dribble, and when he passes the ball, it isnt just to pass it off to someone else out on the wing. His passes have a purpose, and that is to directly lead to a basket. He gets his teamates EASY baskets.
Our bench with him and Beno on the floor outplays the opponent damn dear every night.
Our bench with him and Beno on the floor outplays the opponent damn dear every night.
drboiffard
Bench
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
It will be interesting to see what happpens to Sergio when the guys get back. So far he is positioning himself nicely for a decent contract. He would be a nice fit with the Knicks next year.
gunks
Hall of Famer
He would be a nice fit with us next year too!
He's what, 23? Totally fits with the youth movement as well. And it took Nash about 4 (ish?) seasons to start "getting it". Not saying he's going to be Nash or anything.
As other posters have mentioned, his play style varies so much from Reke's that when he comes in it really has the potential to fluster the opponent's D on any given night.
Considering nobody thought Blair would be there at the time of the trade, I think this is the best trade by GP in years. Not roster shaking or anything, but really solid. Especially because Brock has pretty good bench big potential.
Love that Spanish Chocolate.
He's what, 23? Totally fits with the youth movement as well. And it took Nash about 4 (ish?) seasons to start "getting it". Not saying he's going to be Nash or anything.
As other posters have mentioned, his play style varies so much from Reke's that when he comes in it really has the potential to fluster the opponent's D on any given night.
Considering nobody thought Blair would be there at the time of the trade, I think this is the best trade by GP in years. Not roster shaking or anything, but really solid. Especially because Brock has pretty good bench big potential.
Love that Spanish Chocolate.
silicongat
Prospect
Hey plays good from time to time, but makes a lot of mistakes. Like leaving his feet to pass. His shot is also a little flat. His upside is huge though. Great 3rd string pg!
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
I like him on the kings as well but he is probably going to be offered money the kings won't match for a 3rd pg. Anyway, long season ahead so who knows how the year will play out.
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PoundForPound
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Needs to control his turnovers more and stop going for steals all the time. It always leaves a man open for an easy score. Don't get too hyped up, people, he's playing for a payday.
FaStRmAn
Starter
I agree wholeheartedly! Best trade by Petrie in Years!
Chupacabra
Starter
This guy is an excellent backup point guard! I had him all wrong.
T4L3NT3D530
G-League
ill take a 3.5 a/t ratio anyday from the backup pg.
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
man that no look to hawes was dope.
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That pass is excellent. I think we might have found a Steve Nash in the making in Sergio. Now, who needs that overhyped nameless kid in this team?
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
hmm he is very similar too nash but with a worse jumper. sergio has surprisingly amazed me in games. i hope he stays in sac town.
drboiffard
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LookingAround
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Question of Sergio's fans here: what would you prefer him doing next year - stay in the NBA or go back to Europe?
(I didn't like him going to the NBA at the first place, but I would like to hear other fans' opinion)
(I didn't like him going to the NBA at the first place, but I would like to hear other fans' opinion)
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drboiffard
Bench
I hope he stays. He's only 23 and still can improve a lot. It'd be a waste of talent if he comes to Europe right now.
My #1 option would be him staying in Kings as 2nd PG, and trade Beno while is hot. I love this team.
And although the eternal rumors that put him on NYC the next year I think are not very trustable, the idea of him being the PG of Lebron or Wade makes me crazy. And D'Antoni could make of him the next Nash. But they're only rumors; last year the rumor was the same and he ended up here...
My #1 option would be him staying in Kings as 2nd PG, and trade Beno while is hot. I love this team.
And although the eternal rumors that put him on NYC the next year I think are not very trustable, the idea of him being the PG of Lebron or Wade makes me crazy. And D'Antoni could make of him the next Nash. But they're only rumors; last year the rumor was the same and he ended up here...
LookingAround
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Why to play at Europe it's a waste of talent?
I think it's become more clear that it is just different game. A lot of players who do well at the NBA don't to well at Europe and via versa.
Waste of talent for me is to play very few minutes, never learn and become a team leader, be a pace changer and nothing more.
Lets see him first becoming a star at Europe. I don't think it will be easy. His shot won't be better there and he'll have to cope this difficulties there too, but I believe that there will be some club- bigger or smaller- that will take him and build a team that suit for him and will try to make the best of him.
I think it's become more clear that it is just different game. A lot of players who do well at the NBA don't to well at Europe and via versa.
Waste of talent for me is to play very few minutes, never learn and become a team leader, be a pace changer and nothing more.
Lets see him first becoming a star at Europe. I don't think it will be easy. His shot won't be better there and he'll have to cope this difficulties there too, but I believe that there will be some club- bigger or smaller- that will take him and build a team that suit for him and will try to make the best of him.
drboiffard
Bench
I only would be happy of him coming back to Europe if he comes back again to Estudiantes.
Do you really think he hasn't learn? I think he has improved a lot his shoot.
But that's bad luck. In Portland had very bad luck with the square-minded McMillan, whose game is too conservative for a guy like Sergio. And he has got bad luck here, with overdose of top-level guards. But well, earlier or later Beno or Martin have to be traded to pick up a trustable center, and I hope he enters fully in the rotations.
Do you really think he hasn't learn? I think he has improved a lot his shoot.
LookingAround
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I think he could learn a lot from being under coach like Messina for example, but not only him. They do there things that you won't see at any NBA team.
I think for PG being a substitute or being the leader of the team is a big difference. It's different roll, different responsibility, different pressure, you need to be more stable rather then gamble and try to do as much as you can at short period of time. He has the talent but he have to gain experience at this status.
I think his progress would me much bigger in Europe.
Besides, as a fan I like watching him playing and I want to see him playing more
His shot is better when he has more confidence. Still I hope he'll improve more, but the most important thing for him is consistently to make shots when he is left alone. He must not let the defenders the option to give him space and stop his penetration or help from him.
He had bad luck being traded from Phoenix but I think most of the NBA teams don't creative coaches.
I think for PG being a substitute or being the leader of the team is a big difference. It's different roll, different responsibility, different pressure, you need to be more stable rather then gamble and try to do as much as you can at short period of time. He has the talent but he have to gain experience at this status.
I think his progress would me much bigger in Europe.
Besides, as a fan I like watching him playing and I want to see him playing more
His shot is better when he has more confidence. Still I hope he'll improve more, but the most important thing for him is consistently to make shots when he is left alone. He must not let the defenders the option to give him space and stop his penetration or help from him.
He had bad luck being traded from Phoenix but I think most of the NBA teams don't creative coaches.
drboiffard
Bench
Yeah, but Messina is right now coaching Real Madrid, and there's nothing I hate more than Real Madrid.
I'd like to see him more on court, of course, but I truly think he's working very hard on trainings and he won't give up the NBA unless he doesn't find a contract. If he continues making pretty games sometimes, I think he'd be given a contract next year. Hopefuly in Sacramento or New York, but surely in any team. He isn't here for the money. He is in the NBA because is his dream. ANd he won't give up
I'd like to see him more on court, of course, but I truly think he's working very hard on trainings and he won't give up the NBA unless he doesn't find a contract. If he continues making pretty games sometimes, I think he'd be given a contract next year. Hopefuly in Sacramento or New York, but surely in any team. He isn't here for the money. He is in the NBA because is his dream. ANd he won't give up
LookingAround
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Yeah, he is stubborn in good ways and in a bad ways.
Today being in the NBA is not like in the past, and I respect much more top PGs at Europe then at the NBA. You saw how Toni Parker looked against Ricky Rubio and the Spanish team defense... but Sergio still has his childhood dream...
Today being in the NBA is not like in the past, and I respect much more top PGs at Europe then at the NBA. You saw how Toni Parker looked against Ricky Rubio and the Spanish team defense... but Sergio still has his childhood dream...
Then you are not the happiest men on earth tonight....
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drboiffard
Bench
It's not only a childhood dream, I think. It's also important having people like Nash in mind. Nash flourished quite old and became an all-star quite late. And well they're similar: same style of play...and EXACTLY same height! LOL , and almost same weight! LOL They can also have similar careers. There's a difference in the number of season in wich he flourished (this is Sergio's 4th year and Nash started being so good in his 4th season) but Sergio entered the NBA 3 years younger. If he ends up next year under D'Antoni in NY...it'd just be too much coincidences.
And about Real Madrid...It's ok, It's better if they reach the final and they LOSE it. The pain is greater
And about Real Madrid...It's ok, It's better if they reach the final and they LOSE it. The pain is greater
LookingAround
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I have Nash in my mind... The other player that made me to wake up at nights everytime there was a stream (at quality not close to what we have today) few years ago. Before that I didn't watch NBA at all.
But Nash was always a grate shooter and had a lot of ways to make a basket.
And even Nash, look how much he depends on the system. The system should be built around him, think that Sergio won't get because his "status".
But in Europe he would be able to get it, and again I don't consider Europe less then NBA, and even if he do, and he things that Europe is "too easy" for him, he could first try to archive something at Europe and then to come as better, more experienced and with higher status to the NBA.
I'm so glad Ricky meanwhile stayed at Europe, got to Barcelona and doing well there even though he is better player, and as you said much more hyped so he would get much more chances at the NBA. For me being PG at Top team like Barca is more then being a PG at loosing team at the NBA where everybody just think about improving their own statistic, having no pressure and no responsibility and playing against defenses that don't know to cover passing lanes like in Europe (even the rules are different).
But Nash was always a grate shooter and had a lot of ways to make a basket.
And even Nash, look how much he depends on the system. The system should be built around him, think that Sergio won't get because his "status".
But in Europe he would be able to get it, and again I don't consider Europe less then NBA, and even if he do, and he things that Europe is "too easy" for him, he could first try to archive something at Europe and then to come as better, more experienced and with higher status to the NBA.
I'm so glad Ricky meanwhile stayed at Europe, got to Barcelona and doing well there even though he is better player, and as you said much more hyped so he would get much more chances at the NBA. For me being PG at Top team like Barca is more then being a PG at loosing team at the NBA where everybody just think about improving their own statistic, having no pressure and no responsibility and playing against defenses that don't know to cover passing lanes like in Europe (even the rules are different).
LookingAround
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Btw, if somebody know some way to download/get Sergio's full game from Estodianez I would really love to know.
I want to see these game for many reasons, one of them is to learn his game when he knows his position and don't fell that he need to try to do as much as possible at short period.
During the WC 2006 he was in situation somewhere in the middle - not starting PG but one that knows his minutes, so actually I've never seen him at that situation.
I want to see these game for many reasons, one of them is to learn his game when he knows his position and don't fell that he need to try to do as much as possible at short period.
During the WC 2006 he was in situation somewhere in the middle - not starting PG but one that knows his minutes, so actually I've never seen him at that situation.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Let me respectfully clarify a few things for you. First of all, I'm happy to have you contributing to the fourm. However, although this thread is about Sergio and how well he's playing, it is first and foremost about the welfare of the Kings. So, from a Kings fan point of view, I don't give a tinkers damm about Sergio going over to europe to help his career. I only care what he can do for my team. If he helps us win, then I want him to stay right here. If he doesn't, then goodbye.
Also, please don't compare play in the european leagues with play in the NBA. They play by different rules. And don't think that because Rubio had some success in a game against Parker or whomever was playing for the USA, that he'll have that same sucess on a nightly basis in the NBA. I'm not saying he won't have success, but it won't be easy. This is a league that finds out what you do best, and then they take that away from you. If you can adjust, you'll be successful, if not, then your back in europe in a couple of years.
Please don't take this as an attack on european basketball. Its just that its a different kind of league. And players flaws are sometimes successfully disquised in the european league. Unfortunately when they come over here those same flaws are exposed, and then highlighted. I wish we all played by the same rules. Maybe some day that will come to pass.
LookingAround
G-League
If you would read carefully what I said you'll see that you said exactly what I said - different game, different rules, players that succeed at one of the games not always succeed at the other one.
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