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[Circa_1985_Fan]

Coach John Whisenant is a 60-some year-old NBA ROOKIE. He never played in the NBA. He has never peformed AT ANY LEVEL in the NBA.

His credentials are posted in several different places. Look at them. If he wasn't a close family friend of the Maloofs do you think they'd seriously be even looking at him as the successor to Rick Adelman?

Sorry, STK, but there is a tremendous difference between a solid NBA player with some instances of poor judgment in his background and a HEAD COACH who has never performed at any level in the NBA.

VF...I think this is one of the greatest postings I've read in my history of being on this board. You hit the golden nail right on the head. Can you send this to Ms. Voisin, possibly?? I know you've had contact with her...just get her over to our board once again, just so she can see all the LOGICAL outrage in opposition to this 'possible' move.

 

[SacTownKid]

The Artest trade may have caused a lot of concern, but MOST fans were in favor of brining Bonzi to the fore.

The idea that those two actions are like this one is naive.

Artest may have his baggage, but NO ONE with a brain can deny his strengths. It wasn't his NBA credentials that were being questioned. It was the danger of him going off the deep end that concerned some of us. And one part of one good season doesn't mean it might not happen in the future. Yes, I think Artest is serious here and I think he's come a long ways towards rehabbing his image. But, as we saw in the playoffs, he's still facing intense scrunity.

Bonzi's baggage went back even further, but ONCE AGAIN you couldn't question his abilities or his NBA credentials.

Coach John Whisenant is a 60-some year-old NBA ROOKIE. He never played in the NBA. He has never peformed AT ANY LEVEL in the NBA.

His credentials are posted in several different places. Look at them. If he wasn't a close family friend of the Maloofs do you think they'd seriously be even looking at him as the successor to Rick Adelman?

Sorry, STK, but there is a tremendous difference between a solid NBA player with some instances of poor judgment in his background and a HEAD COACH who has never performed at any level in the NBA.

Can it work out? Maybe.

Is there a real potential for this to rank up there with the coaching tenures of Bill Rusell or Garry St. Jean? You betcha.

I understand what you are saying. But people jump all over this as if its a bad decision without even giving it a chance. If its true, it doesn't matter what anyone thinks anyway. Instead of running to Arco, torch in hand, why not try to point out SOME positives (at least a few?!).

If next season sucks, the Maloofs and Petrie will do what they can to get a winner out on the court. Thats all you can ask.

I stopped wishing for certain things . Every player I wanted to come here, Bonzi is the exception, never found their way here and Petrie went in another direction completely. I stopped getting frustrated because it's not the fans team, its the MALOOFS team. When you support a pro sports team you are putting your faith into the ownership of that team.

At least we can say that our owners TRULY WANT TO WIN. I fully believe that. I wasn't always a Kings fan and I know what it's like to wish the people in charge of your team gave a crap. So do most Kings fans!

Just the vibe around here has been so negative lately.

That's it! Screw all of ya! I'm going on strike!!!

 

[shaka zulu]

Yeah, after all if they listened to the fans they wouldn't have made that horrible trade for Ron Artest, or the trade for Bonzi Wells.

Don't be so gun ho on the ron artest Trade working so great. The Ron artest Trade and the Bonzi wells sitauation worked partly because of the coach that Rick adelman is. Rick adelman is one of few coaches who has the coaching ability and experience to handle Head case players like Bonzi wells and Ron artest. Rick also is a coach that can adapt to personel changes on the fly with little or no practice Time. This Ron artest Glory most likely won't be the same next season, I don't think neither bonzi or Ron will respond well next season under whis,Maybe Ellie but I think the whole Whis thing is silly and non Basketball Related.

 

[thesanityannex]

Whis has won at every level he's coached at, what makes people here think he can't win in the NBA?




And some of these coaches everyone wants have already had their shot at being a head coach, ever wonder why they aren't head coaches now?



Are coaches really that important? Look what Larry Brown did with the Knicks this year. And look at what Flip has done with the Pistons. I personally think the quality of the team is more important than the coach. I don't watch basketball to cheer on the coach.

 

[VF21]

I understand what you are saying. But people jump all over this as if its a bad decision without even giving it a chance. If its true, it doesn't matter what anyone thinks anyway. Instead of running to Arco, torch in hand, why not try to point out SOME positives (at least a few?!).

If next season sucks, the Maloofs and Petrie will do what they can to get a winner out on the court. Thats all you can ask.

I stopped wishing for certain things . Every player I wanted to come here, Bonzi is the exception, never found their way here and Petrie went in another direction completely. I stopped getting frustrated because it's not the fans team, its the MALOOFS team. When you support a pro sports team you are putting your faith into the ownership of that team.

At least we can say that our owners TRULY WANT TO WIN. I fully believe that. I wasn't always a Kings fan and I know what it's like to wish the people in charge of your team gave a crap. So do most Kings fans!

Just the vibe around here has been so negative lately.

That's it! Screw all of ya! I'm going on strike!!!

STK - Part and parcel of being a member of a message board is having opinions.

Point out positives about Whisenant being the new coach?

Okay, I will...

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At least the new Head Coach of the Sacramento Kings won't have to spend valuable time looking for a house.

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That better?

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it's not the fans team, its the MALOOFS team. When you support a pro sports team you are putting your faith into the ownership of that team.

Bull. Pure and simple. I am a long-time fan of the 49ers IN SPITE of the Yorks, not because of them.

And the Maloofs may OWN the team but it is the FANS who make them what they are.

The vibe around here has been so negative? If voicing legitimate and heart-felt concerns about the team you love is negative, then I guess it's negative. Sorry, but I have invested a lot of myself into my love of this team. When I think/fear/believe that something horribly wrong is being done, I come to a message board to share it with others.

LOOK at the poll on whether or not people think Whisenant will do a good job. That's a pretty clear indication that a good number of our members are very concerned and I think they have every reason for that concern.

If it turns out that he can do a good job, I'm pretty blasted sure this board will applaud his results. I know I will. He has something to prove to us - the fans - and everyone else. We don't have to prove a blasted thing to him. We're already here. We're Kings fans. We've earned the right through the Dick Motta, Bill Russell, Garry St. Jean and even Jerry Reynolds eras to be skeptical of who steps in to fill the shoes left empty by the departure of the most successful coach in Sacramento Kings history.

 

[startingtohurt]

I understand what you are saying. But people jump all over this as if its a bad decision without even giving it a chance.

i dont think its a bad decision, just not a very smart or popular one. i wish the maloofs would have stepped into this situation with a clean slate and a clear mind. a personal relationship with someone is not a good basis for hiring somebody, they obviously have the upper hand. its obvious the maloofs havent cleaned their slate...bill lambier won a title with detriot, should we have given him a chance to run the team? no, because there are more qualified people out there, same goes with whiz...if he was the coach in any other wnba city and hadnt had a prior relationship with the maloofs, he wouldve never been considered.

 

[shaka zulu]

Whis has won at every level he's coached at, what makes people here think he can't win in the NBA?




And some of these coaches everyone wants have already had their shot at being a head coach, ever wonder why they aren't head coaches now?



Are coaches really that important? Look what Larry Brown did with the Knicks this year. And look at what Flip has done with the Pistons. I personally think the quality of the team is more important than the coach. I don't watch basketball to cheer on the coach.

John Whisenhart, NBA Coaching Qualifications:

Late 60's -- Assistant coach Coffeyville Community College
Early 70's -- Head Coach Arizona Western (Yuma) Div I-AA?, 4 seasons, 97-30
Mid-70's -- Assistant coach Universtity of New Mexico
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Left coaching for a couple decades
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Early 90's -- Head coach of his son's AAU team (!) goes 176-16
Late 90's -- Head coach of the New Mexico Storm of the defunct 2 year old IBL, goes 51-35
2003-06 -- Head coach of WNBA Monarchs
2003 -- 12-4
2004 -- 18-16
2005 -- 25-9 (+ won title)
2006 -- 2-1

 

[thesanityannex]

LOOK at the poll on whether or not people think Whisenant will do a good job. That's a pretty clear indication that a good number of our members are very concerned and I think they have every reason for that concern.

That poll only asks if you like the idea of him coaching the Kings, not if you think he'll do a good job. I don't really like the idea of him coaching the Kings, but I do think he'll do alright.

 

[startingtohurt]

John Whisenhart, NBA Coaching Qualifications:

Late 60's -- Assistant coach Coffeyville Community College
Early 70's -- Head Coach Arizona Western (Yuma) Div I-AA?, 4 seasons, 97-30
Mid-70's -- Assistant coach Universtity of New Mexico
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Left coaching for a couple decades
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Early 90's -- Head coach of his son's AAU team (!) goes 176-16
Late 90's -- Head coach of the New Mexico Storm of the defunct 2 year old IBL, goes 51-35
2003-06 -- Head coach of WNBA Monarchs
2003 -- 12-4
2004 -- 18-16
2005 -- 25-9 (+ won title)
2006 -- 2-1

im suprised that we're the only nba team interested in this guy! 176-16 with an AAU team?? wow, sign this guy up!!

 

[HndsmCelt]

it's not the fans team, its the MALOOFS team. When you support a pro sports team you are putting your faith into the ownership of that team.

I am really getting sick of these fallacious aplications of free market econimics to sports teams. There really are very FEW parelalles between ownership of a spots franchise to the owner ship of traditional buisness. Sports franchises have traditionally been and to a large deree continue to be much more like public utlities, or other public trusts. I find it sadly ironic when somone calims a teams owners are "Free to do as they wish" while the same people complaine about high gass prices or being gouged by the power company. Sure pro sports is becoming more and more free market where billionaire onwers do what they like with their millionare players and pimp out the naming rights of their billion dollar areans to corporations but the team is still the Sacramento Kings not the Arco Kings or the Maloof Kings and realistly expectiong fans to just sit back wait for their better to decide how the team with thier city's name on it and either aprove or go else where is just not realistic. The Maloof have in many ways been entrusted to SERVE the fans not to feed them crap and tell them it's steak.

 

[quick dog]

Why is this important new hire not mentioned on Kings.com? If this has already been answered somewhere in the 19 pages of comments, please ignore.

What a weak employment record!

It seems to me that the Maloofs must have fired Rick Adelman without having another qualified coach in the bag. Very strange.

I smell a Roop D' Hoop analogy.

 

[VF21]

It isn't posted on Kings.com because it hasn't been officially announced yet.

 

[shaka zulu]

That poll only asks if you like the idea of him coaching the Kings, not if you think he'll do a good job. I don't really like the idea of him coaching the Kings, but I do think he'll do alright.

I thought we wanted to make this move to win a Championship not to do alright. We did alright with adelman making the playofffs each of his 8 seasons in sacramento.

 

[shaka zulu]

That poll only asks if you like the idea of him coaching the Kings, not if you think he'll do a good job. I don't really like the idea of him coaching the Kings, but I do think he'll do alright.

Really there is no reason to fire adelman if whis is just going to do alright.

 

[VF21]

That poll only asks if you like the idea of him coaching the Kings, not if you think he'll do a good job. I don't really like the idea of him coaching the Kings, but I do think he'll do alright.

You're right, as far as the wording of the poll. I misspoke.

Having said that, STK is protesting people having a bad feeling or not liking the idea. The poll asks if you like the idea. I probably should have phrased the response in question a little better but the bottom line is still that a vast majority of Kings fans DO NOT like the idea of Coach Whis becoming the next head coach of the Sacramento Kings.

 

[quick dog]

It isn't posted on Kings.com because it hasn't been officially announced yet.

I am sorry, but I have not read the 50 pages of posts on this topic. Could this be one of those infamous "run it up the flag pole and see if anyone salutes" scenarios? It just does not make sense.

 

[VF21]

Well, I guess we'll all know one way or another in a few days, won't we? This has been discussed at great length in the thread already, however.

 

[thesanityannex]

Really there is no reason to fire adelman if whis is just going to do alright.

That is just my opinion. Obviously the Maloofs think he'll do better than alright.

 

[SacTownKid]

You're right, as far as the wording of the poll. I misspoke.

Having said that, STK is protesting people having a bad feeling or not liking the idea. The poll asks if you like the idea. I probably should have phrased the response in question a little better but the bottom line is still that a vast majority of Kings fans DO NOT like the idea of Coach Whis becoming the next head coach of the Sacramento Kings.

Complete crap. I am protesting the negative attitude and more specifically,remarks such as "brown noser".. They simply have no basis in fact, at least as far as ANY of us can conclude.

If you do not like the hiring than you are free to have your opinion. To justify his hiring because of his "corporate lackey", or "brown noser" status is pure speculation at this point, and also quite ignorant. It may be true, but only the Maloofs would know this right now.

 

[VF21]

Complete crap. I am protesting the negative attitude and more specifically,remarks such as "brown noser".. They simply have no basis in fact, at least as far as ANY of us can conclude.

If you do not like the hiring than you are free to have your opinion. To justify his hiring because of his "corporate lackey", or "brown noser" status is pure speculation at this point, and also quite ignorant. True? It may be, but only the Maloofs would know this right now.

You are entitled to your opinion. But it might be nice to forego the "quite ignorant" stuff. You don't know everything, nor do I. But some of us just might know more than others.

If you HONESTLY believe that John Whisenant (or any other WNBA coach) would be seriously considered as the successor to Rick Adelman for the Sacramento Kings if he WASN'T a long-time personal friend of the Maloof family, there's nothing further for us to discuss.

And notice...I made those comments without calling you or your opinion ignorant.

Have a nice afternoon.

 

[thesanityannex]

What is a brown noser?

 

[VF21]

arse-kisser or "yes man"...

 

[thesanityannex]

There was no way I could have put a after that.

Just trying to lighten up the discussion here.

 

[Gary]

Lets just bring back Rupe the Hoop and have him coach the team. I heard he was a friend of the Malloofs!

 

[SacTownKid]

You are entitled to your opinion. But it might be nice to forego the "quite ignorant" stuff. You don't know everything, nor do I. But some of us just might know more than others.

If you HONESTLY believe that John Whisenant (or any other WNBA coach) would be seriously considered as the successor to Rick Adelman for the Sacramento Kings if he WASN'T a long-time personal friend of the Maloof family, there's nothing further for us to discuss.

And notice...I made those comments without calling you or your opinion ignorant.

Have a nice afternoon.

No, you just called it, what was it?

"Bull. Pure and simple."

Thats it.

 

[Rockmeister]

Lets just bring back Rupe the Hoop and have him coach the team. I heard he was a friend of the Malloofs!

Man, I totally forgot about him....that is until you brought him up. I think I'll pass.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Why is this important new hire not mentioned on Kings.com? If this has already been answered somewhere in the 19 pages of comments, please ignore.

At the risk of hijacking the thread, how do you guys settle for using the forum default for posts per page without pulling your hair out?

I ask because I'm set up for each page to display the maximum amount of posts that the board will allow: having to click on a new page every minute and a half would annoy the pee out of me...

[/hijack]

 

[John Galt]

STK: what TIME does your strike start?


I've decided I will come around to an optimistic view of this hire, as soon as it is announced as "final".

I am still holding out hope that if there is enough outrage on the message boards and radio waves, then Mr Whiz will be moved to say "I am flattered by the consideration from the Maloofs but I have asked them to take me out of the running so I can focus on the important business of defending our title".

A face saving way out for everyone!

 

[thesanityannex]

At the risk of hijacking the thread, how do you guys settle for using the forum default for posts per page without pulling your hair out?

I ask because I'm set up for each page to display the maximum amount of posts that the board will allow: having to click on a new page every minute and a half would annoy the pee out of me...

[/hijack]

How do you change that?

 

[VF21]

Go to your User CP. Select Edit Options. Go about half way down the page to "Number of Posts to Show per Page"...