[News] Schröder/Russ backcourt for Monk trade? Uberthread

I genuinely think that this is what we’re trying to do.

But blowing it up requires explosions and sometimes things we like get hit with shrapnel.
Not disagreeing. But if we want to blow it up, why sign Schroder for 2 years? Why not just let Monk stay. Teams that blow it up typically keep those fan favorites around to put butts in seats no? I can't imagine Monk is adding more than a few wins.
 
Not disagreeing. But if we want to blow it up, why sign Schroder for 2 years? Why not just let Monk stay. Teams that blow it up typically keep those fan favorites around to put butts in seats no? I can't imagine Monk is adding more than a few wins.
Because I don’t think Perry is trying to do a Sixers style “Become embarrassingly bad as fast and long as possible” style process rebuild and is aiming more for an OKC style slow burn that keeps a winning culture intact.
 
Because I don’t think Perry is trying to do a Sixers style “Become embarrassingly bad as fast and long as possible” style process rebuild and is aiming more for an OKC style slow burn that keeps a winning culture intact.
I don't see OKC as a model. They had Shai right off the jump. Then they added prime CP3 for a year. Then they realized they couldn't tank with Cp3 and moved him. How do we get our Shai without tearing it down? We've established that our guys don't have trade value anywhere close to commanding top picks.
You could convince me that Vivek wants to compete, Perry wants a tear down, and he's appeasing his boss in a way he knows will fail.
 
Signing old vets is not a sign of blowing it up. Trading your assets for young talent and/or picks is how you properly blow it up. Giving away assets is not the right way.
signing old vets to play one position while you sort out who can play the other 4 and hopefully we get some picks or something back as we move on from the other guys puts us in a position in a year or two when the Russ and Dennis deals are over to start fresh.

maybe that's what the whole "gap year" thing is about. we're maybe going to lean on the rookieish guys a little harder but they aren't coming out and saying that yet.
 
Signing old vets is not a sign of blowing it up. Trading your assets for young talent and/or picks is how you properly blow it up. Giving away assets is not the right way.

The problem is it doesn’t appear Monk is an asset. He expected to leave in free agency according to Dlo and in his own words “money dried up”. No offers. Scott then tried to trade him but couldn’t find a taker. If he doesn’t fit the vision (small non defender) and isn’t returning value in a trade then the only option is to get off the money. He’s a good player but if the kings would rather have Lavine/Keon/Carter it is what it is.
 
Not yet. There is one - and only one - indicator that correlates 100% with tearing it down: Trading Domas.

If we keep Domas, we're trying to win. If we trade Domas, we're trying to lose. There are no exceptions to this rule.
Not true. There’s always a chance Domas develops a nagging injury that magically keeps him out most of this season and this season alone but also magically doesn’t affect his permanent health.
 
Not yet. There is one - and only one - indicator that correlates 100% with tearing it down: Trading Domas.

If we keep Domas, we're trying to win. If we trade Domas, we're trying to lose. There are no exceptions to this rule.
I'm thinking its along what @Tetsujin is saying where we don't want to do a Process so much as a soft reset. If we acquire picks as we move players no longer necessary (and maybe picks or other compensation is what is holding up this deal?) we can rebuild without having to tank, especially since the lottery has not been kind to teams trying to blatantly Hinkie lately.
 
The problem is it doesn’t appear Monk is an asset. He expected to leave in free agency according to Dlo and in his own words “money dried up”. No offers. Scott then tried to trade him but couldn’t find a taker. If he doesn’t fit the vision (small non defender) and isn’t returning value in a trade then the only option is to get off the money. He’s a good player but if the kings would rather have Lavine/Keon/Carter it is what it is.
I don't think Scott would rather have LaVine based on things he has said in the past but I think the money on that one is even harder than the money on DeMar and Monk. All of these guys will eventually be expirings in short order though.
 
1. I don't buy this

2. Then keep him. The point is trying to win games, Malik helps you win games. You don't get purposefully worse when you're trying to win games.

Last summer, it was reported that Orlando and at least one other team had offers ready to put on the table, but they never got the chance, due to the sweetheart deal Monk signed with Sacramento. This season, it was reported that Toronto wanted him, but that was before Masai Ujiri suddenly was fired (great timing). The Knicks also reportedly showed interest within the past month. The market for a sparkplug off the bench who can pass and score at three levels is never "dry."
 
Last summer, it was reported that Orlando and at least one other team had offers ready to put on the table, but they never got the chance, due to the sweetheart deal Monk signed with Sacramento. This season, it was reported that Toronto wanted him, but that was before Masai Ujiri suddenly was fired (great timing). The Knicks also reportedly had interest within the past month. The market for a sparkplug off the bench who can pass and score at three levels is never "dry."
According to one of DLo/KC Orlando had a lowball offer prepared and Detroit was the only team willing to offer more than what we did.
 
I'd rather salary dump Monk than what's being proposed right now. Then you'd have a clear run-way for Keon and Carter
I think there’s a little bit of “swap meet”-ology going on right now from the Kings front office where Perry might feel like he can get more assets by flipping Malik for a couple of older on-ball guards on cheaper, short deals who teams might want for a stretch run in February than by holding onto Monk and waiting for the right opportunity to fleece someone like Ainge tried doing with Clarkson and Sexton only for nothing to show up and for him to ultimately just get a return of Nurkic and a second round pick.

I don’t know if it’ll work but I think that might be the long term play here.
 
I think there’s a little bit of “swap meet”-ology going on right now from the Kings front office where Perry might feel like he can get more assets by flipping Malik for a couple of older on-ball guards on cheaper, short deals who teams might want for a stretch run in February than by holding onto Monk and waiting for the right opportunity to fleece someone like Ainge tried ping with Clarkson and Sexton.

I don’t know if it’ll work but I think that might be the long term play here.
I mentioned something earlier, if the deals are appropriately sized (and I have never bought this full MLE for Dennis talk, I'll take everything back if that's his final number and it's guaranteed more than one year) and the team is sitting 11-15 where I think we will be, we ship those guys at the deadline. For that matter I imagine Deebo will be more attractive at that time too if he is only partially guaranteed next year.

It really seems that nobody really wanted Monk, or if they did they were already capped out.
 
I'm thinking its along what @Tetsujin is saying where we don't want to do a Process so much as a soft reset. If we acquire picks as we move players no longer necessary (and maybe picks or other compensation is what is holding up this deal?) we can rebuild without having to tank, especially since the lottery has not been kind to teams trying to blatantly Hinkie lately.

Something like:

Year 1- middling team, bloated contracts, stop gap vets, a few young pieces

Year 2- all but a few of the vets are gone. Keon, Keegan, Carter, Nique, Maxine, Sabonis plus lottery pick.

Year 3- big swing
 
Something like:

Year 1- middling team, bloated contracts, stop gap vets, a few young pieces

Year 2- all but a few of the vets are gone. Keon, Keegan, Carter, Nique, Maxine, Sabonis plus lottery pick.

Year 3- big swing
Not for nothing but this was pretty much the timeline for the Knicks while he was there.
 
I think there’s a little bit of “swap meet”-ology going on right now from the Kings front office where Perry might feel like he can get more assets by flipping Malik for a couple of older on-ball guards on cheaper, short deals who teams might want for a stretch run in February than by holding onto Monk and waiting for the right opportunity to fleece someone like Ainge tried doing with Clarkson and Sexton only for nothing to show up and for him to ultimately just get a return of Nurkic and a second round pick.

I don’t know if it’ll work but I think that might be the long term play here.

That Sexton is a good reference. The Jazz traded him AND a pick for Nurkic.
 
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