NewArena
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Agreed! This is how I feel. The way people were reacting on twitter, I thought it was a done deal lol I searched and searched but nothing came up. Good lord
[News] Schröder/Russ backcourt for Monk trade? Uberthread
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SacTownKid
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And there were reports popping up in the week leading up that Detroit was actually targeting Tobias Harris. Who they did end up with immediately. Heck those rumors were during the previous season as well from what I recall.
Joshyjosh31
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Caccia
Starter
That was four years ago, in 2021. The only teams interested after Charlotte let him walk were the LA Lakers, with LeBron James and Anthony Davis, and Dallas Mavericks, with Jason Kidd.
gunks
Hall of Famer
When we traded Fox for a "all star" SG it sealed the fate of either Monk or Keon as a King.
Both of those guys deserve 25-35 mpg but there's just not going to be enough minutes at SG with Zach in town.
Personally I'd pick Keon over Monk for his defensive impact, but I'd EASILY take either of those guys over Lavine. Monk is a fan favorite for a reason, and you know he's a favorite in the locker room too by the sheer amount of **** he's constantly talking about everyone else on the team. You don't get away with that without being loved haha
I'm gonna miss the dude if he gets traded
Both of those guys deserve 25-35 mpg but there's just not going to be enough minutes at SG with Zach in town.
Personally I'd pick Keon over Monk for his defensive impact, but I'd EASILY take either of those guys over Lavine. Monk is a fan favorite for a reason, and you know he's a favorite in the locker room too by the sheer amount of **** he's constantly talking about everyone else on the team. You don't get away with that without being loved haha
I'm gonna miss the dude if he gets traded
Schröder is nice the first couple of weeks, maybe months. Then he will begin to hurt a team. He was on so many teams, not because he is the best locker room guy and there seems to be little interest around the league for him (as half of the teams he was already on, not so long ago)
I really hope he doesnt end up as a bad contract. Just dumping Monk for him seems crazy.
But seeing the clarkson and the sexton deal, it really seems like we have reached a value low for no-defense guards.
Its surprising, but maybe no player of that archetype getting a lot of minutes in the finals might be a reason for this.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
Peja says Rich Paul directed Zach here I don't have any allegiance to Vivek but its a convenient narrative that Vivek drove this by "insisting" on Zach. The fanbase seems to hate him so he isn't going to sell tickets.
BuddyBuckets
G-League
So just to be clear, The argument being made is we have a logjam. If we sign Schroder you have 7 guys to play 3 spots - schroder, monk, carter, keon, lavine, demar, nique. I agree with this take, someone unfortunately has to go and it wont be the 2 we want.
The problem i have is then convincing me that moving monk to add Russ makes sense at all. This again leaves us with 7 guys for 3 spots, only now worse with less shooting.
If the plan was say - monk to det for 2 2nds + schroder. Then using that tax space we went and added kuminga or yabusele, or we had another move in place to take whitmore for 2nds or help dallas with space by taking naji, now you'd have my interest.
All this talk about a pg made everyone forget we've been without forwards for 3 years +. Keegan cannot do it alone. It cannot be adding Russ, continuing the log jam, and resigning lyles or some trash.
The problem i have is then convincing me that moving monk to add Russ makes sense at all. This again leaves us with 7 guys for 3 spots, only now worse with less shooting.
If the plan was say - monk to det for 2 2nds + schroder. Then using that tax space we went and added kuminga or yabusele, or we had another move in place to take whitmore for 2nds or help dallas with space by taking naji, now you'd have my interest.
All this talk about a pg made everyone forget we've been without forwards for 3 years +. Keegan cannot do it alone. It cannot be adding Russ, continuing the log jam, and resigning lyles or some trash.
Sherds
Bench
Well said, my thoughts exactly
Schroeder seems like a Vivek move. Problem is this team minus Fox is utterly devoid of Talent. People think of the OKC rebuild which took years, and say they need to get a Shai AND PICKS. Well they had all league level talent in PG13 to trade away to get Shai a guy they decided to build around while the league laughed at that notion. They had Russ to get a bunch of Houston picks for. Plus prior to this Russ was a guy PG13 and Carmelo WANTED to come play with. We are not able to leverage sabonis in that manner nor did ANYONE want to come to sac to play with Fox except Malik (touted as the biggest FA signing in Sac era).
If you look at Houston they had Harden to go get their picks replenished from Nets. We dont have a harden level talent. But they moved harden and made some hard to swallow deals, got 2 reasonably good rookies and moved one for a all league talent in durant, now multiple FA are clamoring to go play with him.
We just dont have the talent. Move DDR and lavine to a any team that needs to win now. Get as many picks as possible. Im ok keeping monk/keon/carter guard set. Resign Fultz and let it crash and burn while we try accumulating talent. If we need to move sabonis, even better. We have no talent for the half way rebuild. Need to blow it up and go the sixers route.
Only other way is to leverage Levine, DDR, or more probably Sabonis and our future (picks) on an all league level talent other guys may want to come and play with. Go after talent that either is about to break out (like houston did with Harden) or is no longer effective in his spot (but has to be a guy with a few years left).
If you look at Houston they had Harden to go get their picks replenished from Nets. We dont have a harden level talent. But they moved harden and made some hard to swallow deals, got 2 reasonably good rookies and moved one for a all league talent in durant, now multiple FA are clamoring to go play with him.
We just dont have the talent. Move DDR and lavine to a any team that needs to win now. Get as many picks as possible. Im ok keeping monk/keon/carter guard set. Resign Fultz and let it crash and burn while we try accumulating talent. If we need to move sabonis, even better. We have no talent for the half way rebuild. Need to blow it up and go the sixers route.
Only other way is to leverage Levine, DDR, or more probably Sabonis and our future (picks) on an all league level talent other guys may want to come and play with. Go after talent that either is about to break out (like houston did with Harden) or is no longer effective in his spot (but has to be a guy with a few years left).
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If they can’t find a taker for Zach, just bring him off the bench. That might encourage him to opt out of his 2027 player option.
Do the same with DeRozan, get Keon starting at SG, and hope Carter has the chops to surpass Schroder at point sooner than later.
Of course none of this will happen assuming Vivek is convinced we can win with the vets.
Do the same with DeRozan, get Keon starting at SG, and hope Carter has the chops to surpass Schroder at point sooner than later.
Of course none of this will happen assuming Vivek is convinced we can win with the vets.
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Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
You only do that if you never want your team to ever acquire a player again. You’d be pissing off both Klutch and Aaron Goodwin, who’s essentially the godfather of modern NBA agents. You cynically bench both guys to make them so unhappy they want to leave and you’re not just poisoning the well, you’re nuking it.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
the “money dried up” quote was in reference to last year’s free agency.
Yeah, I didn’t think that would go over too well, but hey it was the middle of the night and I couldn’t sleep.
But now awake and I could go into a full discourse of how I feel about Klutch and Goodwin.
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Sure hope there’s more to this. As things stand the last day has been a huge disappointment.
Caccia
Starter
Anthony Slater of The Athletic reported differently when the signing was announced weeks ahead of free agency in 2024:
The four-year, $78 million contract he signed was the most the Kings could offer at the time, sweetened with a player option for the fourth year.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
I think both quotes could be true. A lot of fans expected Monk to have 3-4 suitors with Orlando being the biggest threat. Maybe Detroit was the team that offered a bigger contract but they had just come off an awful season and had a similar reputation as the Kings. I’m in no way trying to discredit Monk as a player, it just appears he doesn’t have a robust market at 18-20 a year.
Plus i dont really get why zach should come off the bench.
People are hyping up 2nd rounders and undrafted guys and say that zach needs to come off the bench.
He is still one of the best offensive talents who can score efficiently on a high level, even on bad teams. Thats not your run of the mill scorer.
We need to NOT trade Keon, and start good 3&D players around/behind him.
I am not saying dont trade LaVine. If we find someone who wants him, be my guest. But if we keep him, they only thing we would achieve by benching him is showing the whole league that we really are on of the worst run organisations, with no hope of improvement
sactowndog
All-Star
Yep. Just a horrible horrible trade
twslam07
All-Star
Wondering if there is still a path for DeRozan to MIA. Could be a DeRozan to MIA, Monk to DET, and Wiggins/Schroder to SAC type deal.
That would leave us with a tentative depth chart of…
PG - Schroder / Carter
SG - LaVine / Ellis / Davis
SF - Wiggins / Clifford
PF - Murray / Raynaud
C - Sabonis / Valanciunas / Jones
That at least seems less clunky at the guard spots, but if we bring in Westbrook, then it’s immediately clunked back up again which makes me wonder if we’re dangling Carter or Ellis as extra incentive in this trade as well (unfortunately).
sactowndog
All-Star
I’m sure the Kings want to resign Keon but I’m not certain Keon will want to resign. He is going to have offers around the league.
On LaVine. Yes he is an impressive scorer, but his defensive skills leave a lot to be desired.
His contract is crippling, Monte got hog tied into signing him by Rich Paul who is probably the shortest prick in sports, no respect at all especially since seeing his draft day video.
If LaVine’s hefty contract cost us signing or retaining other quality players like Keon, then I don’t care how good an offensive talent he is.
His contract is crippling, Monte got hog tied into signing him by Rich Paul who is probably the shortest prick in sports, no respect at all especially since seeing his draft day video.
If LaVine’s hefty contract cost us signing or retaining other quality players like Keon, then I don’t care how good an offensive talent he is.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
Yeh, why is there nothing on this? It is a little early in the morning I suppose but they had all day to sort this out yesterday
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
I wonder if there is smoke to that three team deal fire.
Probably working to pry Alec Burks away from the Heat in the 3 team trade so they can sufficiently block all the young players that the fans want to see play.
White_Chocolate
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Haha.
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