Save Money Next Year

[pshn80]

Wherever the Kings may be next season, I can save them money with my suggested approach to fielding a team.

Pay Dalembert to stay and Thornton, too. Keep out core -

1 and 2 slots0- Udrih, Thornton and Evans.

4 and 5 slots- Dalembert, Cousins and Thompson.

3 spot- Garcia and Casspi.

That's eight players. For the four remaining active members of the team:
one, a real point guard, quick, defender, tall or Jeter.
two, a shooting guard or Taylor or Head (heaven help us)
three. a pf/c or Jackson.
four, another big or a 3.
All these last four we pick from what we have or find someone who is a veteran backup, in other words, cheap.

With the money left over under the cap keep it in your pocket.

This approach would please me. Keep the coach, Petrie, and any of the existing and move on with this bunch of guys and don't let the money saved burn a hole in your pocket. The money could even be used to help keep the Maloofs happy in PB Arena for a couple years. That way they wouldn't have to sell their soul to Southern California.

I welcome any suggestions on how to fine tune this plan to make even better but still cheap.

 

[hrdboild]

That's all well and good, but you're assuming the Maloofs want to stay in Sacramento and it's become pretty apparent that they do not. Re-signing Dalembert and Thornton and adding a top 5 pick will fill out most of our available roster space anyway without much need for a big free-agent signing. Whiteside would presumably earn a bigger role as well so that's almost like having two draft picks. I'd be happy with that team and an extra $20 million in the Maloofs pocket if they would stay in Sacramento. I was happy with the team this year too. They're young and talented and fun to watch...

And I think the fans in Sacramento would slowly come back over the next couple years as they see the excitement building around this young team and the bad taste left over from the previous period of decline starts to fade. I'm quite certain that's what would have happened actually, if recent events hadn't thrown that plan out of focus. If the team does come back for one more year, I think they'd be playing to a mostly empty arena again. But if there was a true commitment to staying in Sacramento, the fans would come back. It takes time to build loyalty and even longer to earn it back.

 

[swisshh]

I am pretty sure their money saving plan is to move out of town, get someone else to foot the moving costs, enjoy TV revenues and continue to be the cheapest ownership in the league and not bother with building a real winner.

 

[est.1999]

I am pretty sure their money saving plan is to move out of town, get someone else to foot the moving costs, enjoy TV revenues and continue to be the cheapest ownership in the league and not bother with building a real winner.

Right, like building a brand new practice facility first thing after buying the team? And dumping money all over the place as they built a contender? And then spending even more money(stupidly at that) on MLE's on average washed up role players?

Get your facts straight buddy. Or maybe if we get a true PG or Rubio then maybe the maloofs will look like spenders, huh?

 

[swisshh]

Fact? The Kings spend less than most if not all the rest of the NBA right now.

Giving them money saving tips in a thread is hilarious.

 

[est.1999]

You're accusing them of being cheap during this team's first real rebuild when they've already proven in the past that they'ed spend the money if necessary?

 

[pshn80]

As long as they stay it's OK with me if they are cheap as I suggest. Any better thoughts?

 

[kingsboi]

Save money for what? They've been building cap space to get to this point.

 

[pshn80]

Save money for what? They've been building cap space to get to this point.

And everybody here has been helping them spend their cap space all this season. I'm saying we don't need to spend it for free agents. Keep the cap space for a couple of years until you need it. Don't go out and buy a big contract player until we've playe MY lineup for the next two years. I am happy to go with what we've got. I'm not suggesting this to help out the Maloofs but to please me.

 

[pshn80]

Save money for what? They've been building cap space to get to this point.

And everybody here has been helping them spend their cap space all this season. I'm saying we don't need to spend it for free agents. Keep the cap space for a couple of years until you need it. Don't go out and buy a big contract player until we've playe MY lineup for the next two years. I am happy to go with what we've got. I'm not suggesting this to help out the Maloofs but to please me.

 

[Gary]

Right, like building a brand new practice facility first thing after buying the team? And dumping money all over the place as they built a contender? And then spending even more money(stupidly at that) on MLE's on average washed up role players?

Get your facts straight buddy. Or maybe if we get a true PG or Rubio then maybe the maloofs will look like spenders, huh?

Yah, not like Rubio wouldn't have been on a rookie pay scale or anything still and be making exactly as much as Evans is. When people bring Rubio up I laugh.. Let me guess.. You are the same people that still say "YO YO YO!" when your friend walks in the room because you saw kids do it 20 years ago. Let it go already.. You are only making yourself look retarded. More so than I do when I get pissed off.

 

[est.1999]

Lol, all I'm saying is dude is calling the maloofs cheap without back up. Same thing probably goes for you. You two don't like Evans and you don't like the maloofs. And I'm the retarded one?

 

[Gary]

Lol, all I'm saying is dude is calling the maloofs cheap without back up. Same thing probably goes for you. You two don't like Evans and you don't like the maloofs. And I'm the retarded one?

I like Evans. My whole issue is that Martin was my favorite King and I said time and time again their styles wouldn't mesh and one of them (which would be Martin) would be traded. I wanted a pure PG not a combo guard. BFD

And yes since the Magoofs have pretty much run out of money they have been cheap. Until they spend money they will be still considered cheap. Not that it will matter much to me beyond this year anyway.

 

[kingsboi]

And everybody here has been helping them spend their cap space all this season. I'm saying we don't need to spend it for free agents. Keep the cap space for a couple of years until you need it. Don't go out and buy a big contract player until we've playe MY lineup for the next two years. I am happy to go with what we've got. I'm not suggesting this to help out the Maloofs but to please me.

That doesn't really make any sense to me. What are they going to save the money for couple years down the road? If you have capspace and there are free agents out there that can help you become relevant again, especially since their moving to a new town where I'm sure they want to put out a good product out there on the court. They've been sucking for 4-5 years all ready, I think it's time to maybe get back in gear in the 40 wins area and up.

 

[est.1999]

I don't know how Martin can be your favorite king but I'm not gonna judge you on that. However, if you dislike what Evans does to the team I'd say that Martin affects the team even more because it takes too many players trying to get him open. And also, he's below average on defense and he lacks the physical skills to drive and break down defenses or to create mismatches by posting up smaller defenders.

Maybe I'm just not a big fan of true points. Their teams are competitive and fun to watch but hardly are their teams ever in consideration to win the whole thing.

 

[Section 101]

That doesn't really make any sense to me. What are they going to save the money for couple years down the road? If you have capspace and there are free agents out there that can help you become relevant again, especially since their moving to a new town where I'm sure they want to put out a good product out there on the court. They've been sucking for 4-5 years all ready, I think it's time to maybe get back in gear in the 40 wins area and up.

They still have to have money in the bank to write the checks. no money = not signing players.

 

[pshn80]

Thank you Section 101. My point wasn't to save money. That would be a side benefit. My point is that the guys we have now are worth a ride for me. I'd love to see them stay intact and play, whereever. We will draft someone but my feeling is we are not under pressure to get the "answer" in my book. All gravy. We don't have to get a star that has to play right now. It would be better in my book to get someone we can bring along and not have to develop and play right now.

I love our picks from the last two drafts but I am a little tired of so many rookie mistakes.

 

[kingsboi]

I think we have to get another rookie that will make an instant impact on this team. Then maybe we can stop having to battle for ping pong balls, also we obviously won't get any big name free agents here so we can sign ones that will help us instantly, we might have to overpay but that's how the NBA is these days.

 

[rainmaker]

I don't know how Martin can be your favorite king but I'm not gonna judge you on that. However, if you dislike what Evans does to the team I'd say that Martin affects the team even more because it takes too many players trying to get him open. And also, he's below average on defense and he lacks the physical skills to drive and break down defenses or to create mismatches by posting up smaller defenders.

Maybe I'm just not a big fan of true points. Their teams are competitive and fun to watch but hardly are their teams ever in consideration to win the whole thing.

Yeah I don't like KMart much either. He was a huge source of fustration to me, as I never thought he really added to his game after year 2, just got more minutes, hence more shots, and more points. But his defense has gotten worse each year, as he was pretty respectable on that end his first yr or two.

Never really improved his ballhandling enough to help him or the team, and that was/is directly connected to his inability to set guys up, or get asts. His ast average is pathetic for a top 10 sg, who has played 30+ mins the past 4-5 years. He has never averaged 3 asts per game, ever. But what bothered me the most, is his constant disappearing act. Most 23ppg scorers don't disappear at the end of games the way Kev does. Most of his points are what I call "empty points", and don't have a huge impact on a game. One of the reasons he's never been seriously considered for an all-star game. Similar to Monta Ellis, although Monta has continued to improve, is a much, much better all around player now, and IMO, will make an all-star game or two.

What I also find telling, is how many of Kevs minutes now go to Courtney Lee. I regularly see Adelman hold Kev out for long periods of time, as he sometimes seems to have more confidence in lee.

 

[CaminoChaos]

The Maloof's have donated $19-$20 million dollars to the Sacramento community. In my eyes that is far from cheap. They have tried to cut or buy out every bad contract on the roster in hopes of building a young talented squad from the ground up. It's just the way of running a NBA franchise. Every team has done it.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

I am pretty sure their money saving plan is to move out of town, get someone else to foot the moving costs, enjoy TV revenues and continue to be the cheapest ownership in the league and not bother with building a real winner.

Are you suggesting that they're friends with Donald Sterling??

 

[bajaden]

The Maloof's have donated $19-$20 million dollars to the Sacramento community. In my eyes that is far from cheap. They have tried to cut or buy out every bad contract on the roster in hopes of building a young talented squad from the ground up. It's just the way of running a NBA franchise. Every team has done it.

Actually they've donated 30 million since taking over the team. As for the rest of this, I posted an entire thread on how you rebuild a team with examples of other teams that have used the exact same formula. I'm dammed sure not going over it again. Those that are too agenda driven to accept facts, I have no time for.

Plus, the idea of doing nothing to improve the team when management has worked so hard to reach this point, is utterly ridiculous. To suggest that you'd be happy as a clam to suffer through a couple of more seasons of 20 to 25 wins, when you have the resources to build a playoff team, just boggles the mind. Just what would that accomplish? Winning teams put butts in the seats and attract television viewers. Better TV ratings attracts bigger and better sponsers. All those things add up to increased revenues. The idea of doing nothing is extremely shortsighted.

 

[est.1999]

Well said Baja

 

[pshn80]

Actually they've donated 30 million since taking over the team. As for the rest of this, I posted an entire thread on how you rebuild a team with examples of other teams that have used the exact same formula. I'm dammed sure not going over it again. Those that are too agenda driven to accept facts, I have no time for.

Plus, the idea of doing nothing to improve the team when management has worked so hard to reach this point, is utterly ridiculous. To suggest that you'd be happy as a clam to suffer through a couple of more seasons of 20 to 25 wins, when you have the resources to build a playoff team, just boggles the mind. Just what would that accomplish? Winning teams put butts in the seats and attract television viewers. Better TV ratings attracts bigger and better sponsers. All those things add up to increased revenues. The idea of doing nothing is extremely shortsighted.

I take from your comments that you don't think the present set of players plus Evans plus a high draft choice or what you can get for it, is not worthy of going with for even one season?

You are probably right but my original post here was intended to say that what we've got without spending the cap space is enough to make me look forward to the next year or more. My point is not to save money. I would like to see how well Cousins, Dalembert, Thompson, Evans, Udrih, Thornton, Garcia, Casspi, a high draft pick and whoever we keep or round up, might do next year with the suspicion that it might be just fine.

I suggested it because I thought it was plausible and a refreshing change from 100,000 ways to spend $20 Million or so.

Again, I take it you think this has no merit. Que pasa

 

[bajaden]

I take from your comments that you don't think the present set of players plus Evans plus a high draft choice or what you can get for it, is not worthy of going with for even one season?

You are probably right but my original post here was intended to say that what we've got without spending the cap space is enough to make me look forward to the next year or more. My point is not to save money. I would like to see how well Cousins, Dalembert, Thompson, Evans, Udrih, Thornton, Garcia, Casspi, a high draft pick and whoever we keep or round up, might do next year with the suspicion that it might be just fine.

I suggested it because I thought it was plausible and a refreshing change from 100,000 ways to spend $20 Million or so.

Again, I take it you think this has no merit. Que pasa

What I gleened from your original post is somewhat different from what your saying now. There is a difference between saying your enthusiastic about what we have now and thats enough to keep your interest for next year, then saying your content with just that and don't want to improve the team even though you have the resources to do so. If I misunderstood you, I apologize. I like a lot of what we have on the team. But with the current roster, and just the addition of another draft pick, this team won't improve enough to be a competitive playoff team, or perhaps even make the playoffs.

I've been on teams that developed a losing mentality, and I don't want that to happen with this team. Its time for this team to turn the corner and start making some noise. And with the right additions via either freeagency or trade, it can improve dramaticly.. I can deal with losing if there's a purpose, like rebuilding. But when I have other options, I'm certainly going to take them.

 

[Glenn]

I've been on teams that developed a losing mentality, and I don't want that to happen with this team. Its time for this team to turn the corner and start making some noise. And with the right additions via either freeagency or trade, it can improve dramaticly.. I can deal with losing if there's a purpose, like rebuilding. But when I have other options, I'm certainly going to take them.

Yes, and remarkably this team does not have a loser's mentality. Not yet. Quite the opposite.

As I have said before, you speak for me (as does Brick). It makes me look intelligent.

 

[pshn80]

Baja, you make a good point. I guess I let my enthusiasm for seeing how this group can improve next year get the best of me. But I do think the team is in a very good position for the future with both the players they have the ones they can now more easily get. Thanks.

 

[Glenn]

Baja, you make a good point. I guess I let my enthusiasm for seeing how this group can improve next year get the best of me. But I do think the team is in a very good position for the future with both the players they have the ones they can now more easily get. Thanks.

Kicking when down, Glenn says, one great free agent might fill up an arena. This team most likely won't with just a great rookie added to the mix. If the team stays, the people are waiting and will turn out. Just using past experience to guide my opinion. We are too sophisticated to be happy with young guys putting out a good effort when we could have something more and a whole lot of wins more. I may be speaking more for myself than anyone else but I hate watching losing year after year. Been there, done that. If it hadn't been for Tyreke and Cousins, I wouldn't have watched this year. Another year even close to this won't help my enthusiasm. I need to see a team approaching 35 wins and I think that is possible.