Save money for 2010 free agency?

[KF8]

Well in a recent thread someone posted Gavin's interview stating that we may very well sign 2 veteran guys and I would imagine that it would be just to fill our roster up. I don't know, but I have this feeling that we won't be signing any big to average names this season. We'll probably just sign a few veteran guys on the cheap to fill our current roster and save money for the 2010 season. It might not be a bad thing since we'll have kenny's expiring combined with the money we saved. That could potentially be enough money to net us a borderline all-star to all-star in 2010. If that is the case, I'm perfectly fine with it since we'll have a lot of rookies coming in in 2009 who'll be needing the minutes to develope. We could afford to save the money I think. What are everyone's thought on this situation?

 

[SacKings7]

Well in a recent thread someone posted Gavin's interview stating that we may very well sign 2 veteran guys and I would imagine that it would be just to fill our roster up. I don't know, but I have this feeling that we won't be signing any big to average names this season. We'll probably just sign a few veteran guys on the cheap to fill our current roster and save money for the 2010 season. It might not be a bad thing since we'll have kenny's expiring combined with the money we saved. That could potentially be enough money to net us a borderline all-star to all-star in 2010. If that is the case, I'm perfectly fine with it since we'll have a lot of rookies coming in in 2009 who'll be needing the minutes to develope. We could afford to save the money I think. What are everyone's thought on this situation?

Pun intended?

I'm really back n forth on this saving for 2010 thing. It looks like a great idea when you look at the list of FAs, but not so good when you look at how many other teams will have cap room then too. I like the idea of getting the young guys major minutes next season though. I think if we don't get Rubio, then we should make a run at Sessions. Other than that, I guess I'm cool with it. We should be looking for a permanent coach though

 

[HighTopKicks]

Well in a recent thread someone posted Gavin's interview stating that we may very well sign 2 veteran guys and I would imagine that it would be just to fill our roster up. I don't know, but I have this feeling that we won't be signing any big to average names this season. We'll probably just sign a few veteran guys on the cheap to fill our current roster and save money for the 2010 season. It might not be a bad thing since we'll have kenny's expiring combined with the money we saved. That could potentially be enough money to net us a borderline all-star to all-star in 2010. If that is the case, I'm perfectly fine with it since we'll have a lot of rookies coming in in 2009 who'll be needing the minutes to develope. We could afford to save the money I think. What are everyone's thought on this situation?

Creating cap space has been a goal since before the trade deadline. Don't just think FA, think trades. Cap space means flexibility of player movement. Not having to match salaries is a tremendous benefit. With cap space you can aquire draft picks, like getting a team to trade their top 10 draft pick and a bad contract for our #20 pick. Since we have the cap space to cover the bad contract, we don't have to match salaries and give them a player in return.

As fas a Gavins statement, with our current contract 8 in all, and 3 draft choices we will be 2 players short of the league required 13 man roster. Gavin has no choice but to sign at least 2 more. But, don't expect anything more than Veteran Minimum contract for 1 year, and possible 1 or 2 undrafted free agents.

As I said capspace is flexiblity, so I expect the Kings to stay $4-5M under the cap. Then at the trade deadline when they go to move K9's contract they'll have more options.

 

[kingsfan101]

Creating cap space has been a goal since before the trade deadline. Don't just think FA, think trades. Cap space means flexibility of player movement. Not having to match salaries is a tremendous benefit. With cap space you can aquire draft picks, like getting a team to trade their top 10 draft pick and a bad contract for our #20 pick. Since we have the cap space to cover the bad contract, we don't have to match salaries and give them a player in return.

As fas a Gavins statement, with our current contract 8 in all, and 3 draft choices we will be 2 players short of the league required 13 man roster. Gavin has no choice but to sign at least 2 more. But, don't expect anything more than Veteran Minimum contract for 1 year, and possible 1 or 2 undrafted free agents.

As I said capspace is flexiblity, so I expect the Kings to stay $4-5M under the cap. Then at the trade deadline when they go to move K9's contract they'll have more options.

The points you raise are very valid, but I doubt we shall be spending big money this year, due primarily, to financial reasons.

While our trade deadline moves did the job of cleaning house that was needed anyway, most observers believe it was more of a financial decision. There have been several reports of the franchise losing money, as well as personal financial issues of the Maloofs.

I think the biggest indicator came when we waived Miki. While it was nice to release him, allowing him to sign with Celtics and opening up minutes for our kids, we lost the option of trading him to someone over the tax, and get something meaningful in return.

Given that he had a 2M buyout, he could have been useful to teams looking to shed salary. While, we can still use our cap space for exactly that purpose, letting go of such an "asset", might indicate that we shall not use the cap space for major FA signing anyway.

Long term, it might be the best move. We could use another high draft pick. Another year of suckage now, rather than moving into 30-35 win category, might be more helpful in the long term.

 

[HighTopKicks]

The points you raise are very valid, but I doubt we shall be spending big money this year, due primarily, to financial reasons.

While our trade deadline moves did the job of cleaning house that was needed anyway, most observers believe it was more of a financial decision. There have been several reports of the franchise losing money, as well as personal financial issues of the Maloofs.

I think the biggest indicator came when we waived Miki. While it was nice to release him, allowing him to sign with Celtics and opening up minutes for our kids, we lost the option of trading him to someone over the tax, and get something meaningful in return.

Given that he had a 2M buyout, he could have been useful to teams looking to shed salary. While, we can still use our cap space for exactly that purpose, letting go of such an "asset", might indicate that we shall not use the cap space for major FA signing anyway.

Long term, it might be the best move. We could use another high draft pick. Another year of suckage now, rather than moving into 30-35 win category, might be more helpful in the long term.

I'm not certain because I didn't check it out on the Coon's CBA site, but I believe that since Mikki was entering an option year, we couldn't trade him after the trade deadline without making an offer for the hole year. And, since we we're going to be able to trade him with a $6M contract, the only thing we could do was release him. But, GP did the honerable thing by letting him go early which didn't cost us anything more. The fact that he cleared waivers without anyone making a claim on him, guarentees no one wanted his contract.

I didn't think we'd spend any money either. We do have to add players to get to the league min 13 players, but that's why I said they'd be signed for Vet minimum, and that the Kings will still have $4M of their expected $7M in cap space left.

 

[ParniValjak]

Realistically we don't have a snowballs chance in hell of landing a superstar either way. We just don't. Our best bet is to hopefully draft our superstar that we build around and them add a complementary piece or 2 via free agency. Not a superstar FA but your next tier down.

So if we don't get that superstar in the draft our next best thing is to assemble enough good young talent and trade for one that wants out. The sort of thing the Celtics did with KG and similarly what we did with C-Webb.

Cap room is important in more ways than just straight out signing free agents. A team that might want to trade their star for a couple of young pieces and some cap room would find as an attractive trading partner.

 

[Vlade4GM]

I'd still like it if we had the possibility of max cap space in 2010, you never know if our draft picks end up doing well enough (along with the rest of the core) that might attract a player looking for a young team and a large role lik say...Joe Johnson. Okay, totally unrealistic but I can dream man. How awesome would this be?

C Spencer Hawes
PF Derrick Favors
SF Joe Johnson
SG Kevin Martin
PG Ricky Rubio

Haha, I know, my mind wanders sometimes.

 

[sidney]

Well in a recent thread someone posted Gavin's interview stating that we may very well sign 2 veteran guys and I would imagine that it would be just to fill our roster up. I don't know, but I have this feeling that we won't be signing any big to average names this season. We'll probably just sign a few veteran guys on the cheap to fill our current roster and save money for the 2010 season. It might not be a bad thing since we'll have kenny's expiring combined with the money we saved. That could potentially be enough money to net us a borderline all-star to all-star in 2010. If that is the case, I'm perfectly fine with it since we'll have a lot of rookies coming in in 2009 who'll be needing the minutes to develope. We could afford to save the money I think. What are everyone's thought on this situation?

At the deadline we sacrificed cap space in 2010 in order to get cap space this summer.

We are one of very few teams that are more than the MLE amount under the cap this summer. In 2010 it looks like about a dozen teams can be under the cap. Plus the current financial environment makes it a buyers market. Plus Maloofs have indicated they will use the cap space this summer and want to turn the corner and get the Kings winning again. To me, all things point to the FO using the cap space to get a meaningful piece this summer - either by using our cap space to get another high pick or try to sign an impact guy like Sessions.

 

[HighTopKicks]

At the deadline we sacrificed cap space in 2010 in order to get cap space this summer.

We are one of very few teams that are more than the MLE amount under the cap this summer. In 2010 it looks like about a dozen teams can be under the cap. Plus the current financial environment makes it a buyers market. Plus Maloofs have indicated they will use the cap space this summer and want to turn the corner and get the Kings winning again. To me, all things point to the FO using the cap space to get a meaningful piece this summer - either by using our cap space to get another high pick or try to sign an impact guy like Sessions.

Yes, they wanted to be in the 09 FA market, but because they didn't move K9 they don't have enough. The economy when down and so will the salary cap, projected as $57.3M. Our team salary for our 8 core players is $45M, but you first have to add the draft picks which will be about $5M for 3. That leaves $7M in cap space but we still have to sign 2 more players to reach the league minimum so, $1M for a Vet Min salary, and $6M for FA's. Sessions won't sign for $6M.

Our best chance for vet talent, is to save as much cap space as possible, wait for the 09 trade deadline, and trade K9's expiring contract & the cap space for a soon to be 2010 RFA in the $10-12M range.

 

[Hallama]

Our best chance for vet talent, is to save as much cap space as possible, wait for the 09 trade deadline, and trade K9's expiring contract & the cap space for a soon to be 2010 RFA in the $10-12M range.

Seems like every year a floundering or fed-up team will be willing to trade an All-Star caliber player (ie Amare almost this year, Iverson, Ray Allen to Seattle, etc) at the deadline for a salary dump, which as you wrote could easily be KTs expiring salary, some available capspace the Kings could eat up some extra cash, plus a pick or something.

Kings are in a fantastic position to swoop in with an offer next trade deadline, or even preseason.

(I'm not so sure there are any 2010 RFAs in the 10-12 million range, usually RFAs are still on their rookie contracts.)

 

[sidney]

Yes, they wanted to be in the 09 FA market, but because they didn't move K9 they don't have enough. The economy when down and so will the salary cap, projected as $57.3M. Our team salary for our 8 core players is $45M, but you first have to add the draft picks which will be about $5M for 3. That leaves $7M in cap space but we still have to sign 2 more players to reach the league minimum so, $1M for a Vet Min salary, and $6M for FA's. Sessions won't sign for $6M.

Once a team is over the cap, can't they sign as many minimum contracts as they want to fill out roster spots even without MLE money? I may be wrong here, but I thought so.

So you could in theory, first offer Sessions a 5 year contract starting at 7M ending around 10M. Then fill in a minimum guy or two at training camp.

Assuming Sessions will follow the money, who else can offer that? Detroit and Memphis are under the cap but have Stuckey and Conley that they may or may not view as core future starters. Just depends on whether those few other teams are interested or not, but we're clearly one of a very small group that can compete in the FA market this summer with our 7M.

 

[KF8]

Yes, they wanted to be in the 09 FA market, but because they didn't move K9 they don't have enough. The economy when down and so will the salary cap, projected as $57.3M. Our team salary for our 8 core players is $45M, but you first have to add the draft picks which will be about $5M for 3. That leaves $7M in cap space but we still have to sign 2 more players to reach the league minimum so, $1M for a Vet Min salary, and $6M for FA's. Sessions won't sign for $6M.

Our best chance for vet talent, is to save as much cap space as possible, wait for the 09 trade deadline, and trade K9's expiring contract & the cap space for a soon to be 2010 RFA in the $10-12M range.

This sounds like a good idea, but who do you think we could possibly get in 2010 trading away K9's contract and cap space? Also, are we only limited to getting restricted free agents if we did that? If so we won't have many players to choose from. >.<

Here's a list of free agents and I don't see many appealing restricted free agents in 2010 for around 10 million.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-09-10

 

[vikinginferno]

Once a team is over the cap, can't they sign as many minimum contracts as they want to fill out roster spots even without MLE money? I may be wrong here, but I thought so.

So you could in theory, first offer Sessions a 5 year contract starting at 7M ending around 10M. Then fill in a minimum guy or two at training camp.

Assuming Sessions will follow the money, who else can offer that? Detroit and Memphis are under the cap but have Stuckey and Conley that they may or may not view as core future starters. Just depends on whether those few other teams are interested or not, but we're clearly one of a very small group that can compete in the FA market this summer with our 7M.

There's no way Detroit is taking Sessions. They love Stuckey and got rid of Billups largely in part because they believe Stuckey can be their next great PG. I think we could snatch him if that is our biggest priority, but I don't know if he is the best option for PGs.

 

[sidney]

There's no way Detroit is taking Sessions. They love Stuckey and got rid of Billups largely in part because they believe Stuckey can be their next great PG. I think we could snatch him if that is our biggest priority, but I don't know if he is the best option for PGs.

OK, looking a little closer. Teams under the cap this summer and their PG situation:

Blazers (already have Blake, Bayless, Rodriguez)
Toronto (Calderon)
Detroit (Stuckey)
OKC (Westbrook)
Hawks (resign Bibby after a good year? how much room left after M Williams resigns?)
Grizzlies (Conley)

 

[Bricklayer]

That's long been a possibility, but that's brutal on a fanbase and I'm not sure its tenable in our situation (already last in attendance, arena vote coming, young players already here developing (as opposed to crappy old vets that you can sacrifice without it mattering). When you look at successsful rebuilds, you normally bounce and go rather than wallow. If we pursue the 2010 path I'll support it as ballsy, but if it does not work out you are really in a bad place. thing is, Lebron is not coming here. Wade is not coming here. And the interesting thing is that the other huge FAs (Amare, Bosh etc.) that year might be available via trade this offseason.

 

[vikinginferno]

OK, looking a little closer. Teams under the cap this summer and their PG situation:

Blazers (already have Blake, Bayless, Rodriguez)
Toronto (Calderon)
Detroit (Stuckey)
OKC (Westbrook)
Hawks (resign Bibby after a good year? how much room left after M Williams resigns?)
Grizzlies (Conley)

It could be possible the Blazers would want him with 2 very mediocre PGs and a young one that hasn't really developed well yet. Maybe the Hawks would go after him, but Bibby actually fits their team really well because he stretches the floor while the other players have very much athleticism to get to the basket.