Salim Stoudamire, Anyone?

[HaraWish]

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/salim_stoudamire/index.html?nav=page

Maybe, I'm the only one who want Salim, but he's very attractive.

He is some kind of "stereotype".

* Short, a little bit selfish, not good leading skills.
* Athetheltic, natural-born shooter, long-range, explosive and clutch!

Yeah, he is a SG with a PG body.

His height invokes many problems such as leading and defense, but when placed as PG, he has little problem to defend. And he is quite explosive.

I'm not sure, but I think he would be good with skillful taller swingmen (Artest, Garcia). IMO, if we're interested in B-Jax, I think Salim can be another "younger" option.

AND Hawks has a little bit odd roster - full of young atheletic swingmen, and need of PG and frontcourt. IMO, they may show interest to Jason Hart.

 

[Kev.in]

I'd rather not have him. I didn't like the way he played last season and from what people "in the know" have told me, he's kind of an immature guy and a crummy teammate.

 

[walker60]

Hmm never thought of him HaraWish...he's an interesting pickup...I wonder what it would take to get him though. If he was cheap I'd be interested...

 

[Kings113]

I like him as a bottom choice, but not a top 5 one. Brings shooting, defense, and is clutch.

 

[Dime Dropper]

Yeah, I would take this guy without thinking if I could trade him for Hart. He would bring a spark off the bench and bring some offense (which is what we need badly going by last year.) He's also a decent defender.

 

[Packt]

We could've drafted him; he was projected to be our pick by some sites. Looking at what he did with the Hawks, and what we needed last year, I think he would've been the better pick.

That's not a knock on Garcia, but we needed scoring and a PG off the bench more than a swing guy.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Boris Diaw notwithstanding, the thought of picking up Atlanta's leftovers does not appeal to me.

 

[nbrans]

Whoa, no way. I don't think the Kings need the dirt poor man's Eddie House.

 

[hammystyle]

Whoa, no way. I don't think the Kings need the dirt poor man's Eddie House.

He'll be better than House, he might be better now. They had virtually the same numbers except House was on the best offensive team in the league, and Stoudamire played for the freaking Hawks.

 

[nbrans]

He'll be better than House, he might be better now. They had virtually the same numbers except House was on the best offensive team in the league, and Stoudamire played for the freaking Hawks.

He's not athletic enough to create his own shot, he's always going to be a catch and shoot guy. He's an unathletic 6'1" shooting guard who can't play defense and can't distribute. He's a one-dimensional jump shooter, and the Hawks can have him.

 

[Kings113]

Actually, Salim can play defense. I think he'll show that more as he gets more time.

 

[venom_7]

I wouldn't mind. I loved him in Arizona.

 

[hammystyle]

He's not athletic enough to create his own shot, he's always going to be a catch and shoot guy. He's an unathletic 6'1" shooting guard who can't play defense and can't distribute. He's a one-dimensional jump shooter, and the Hawks can have him.

I can't really say whether or not he's a very good defender, and I know he's basically just a 6' 1" shooter, but my point was just that he's better than Eddie House. In fact, a good description would be a rich man's Eddie House. He might not necessarily fit our team perfectly, but it never really hurts to have a great shooter.

 

[nbrans]

How is he better than Eddie House? House can create his own shot at least and catch and shoot from anywhere on the floor. He scored more points while shooting a higher percentage in fewer minutes. And he played on a team with a bunch of offensive weapons, whereas Salim could not even win the starting job on a team without a good point guard. Salim Stoudamire had more turnovers than assists, plus he has a horrendous reputation as a teammate. I'm not high on Eddie House, but he's better than Salim Stoudamire.

 

[hammystyle]

How is he better than Eddie House? House can create his own shot at least and catch and shoot from anywhere on the floor. He scored more points while shooting a higher percentage in fewer minutes. And he played on a team with a bunch of offensive weapons, whereas Salim could not even win the starting job on a team without a good point guard. Salim Stoudamire had more turnovers than assists, plus he has a horrendous reputation as a teammate. I'm not high on Eddie House, but he's better than Salim Stoudamire.

While what you said about their stats is true, they are virtually identical and if you just looked them up you know that. That said, if you want to be picky about it, Stoudamire is actually the more efficient scorer because he gets to the free throw line more (which indicates he's the one who's better at creating shots). House needs 9.4 shots to score his 9.8 points while Salim needed 8.1 to score 9.7.

But basically, their stats are really close. House has been in the league for 6 years and played with Phoenix last year, so you can basically say that's his mass production. Stoudamire was a rookie playing on the Hawks so its safe to say that his production or at least effictiveness would certainly go up on a better team and as he improves. You're also really overestimating his rep as a bad guy. He was actually voted Mr. Hustle and the Best Defensive Player as a Freshman at Zona. He's had some flareups but nothing too big. Bottom line, he's better than House.

Actually the more I looked into it the more I liked the idea of getting him. All the scouting reports say he's fairly athletic, can defend and can handle the ball a bit. If you played him with Cisco, you wouldn't really need him to run the offense and he could just come in gunning.

 

[Dime Dropper]

He's not athletic enough to create his own shot, he's always going to be a catch and shoot guy. He's an unathletic 6'1" shooting guard who can't play defense and can't distribute. He's a one-dimensional jump shooter, and the Hawks can have him.

You're so fussy. It's as if we're going to get anyone we want. You saying he isn't athletic is a bit silly. I remember him throwing down a nasty dunk over someone this season. Can't remember who on though. He's young, a good shooter who can play defense whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. He can only get better with hard work. His low assists and bad turnover rates may be due to the fact that he's playing for the Hawks. He will improve with expierence. Everything about his attitude has been blown out of proportion. I mean we have one of the most controversial players in the league right now and he has turned our team around. Salim has alot of potential. I would get him if I could.

 

[nbrans]

You're so fussy. It's as if we're going to get anyone we want. You saying he isn't athletic is a bit silly. I remember him throwing down a nasty dunk over someone this season. Can't remember who on though. He's young, a good shooter who can play defense whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. He can only get better with hard work. His low assists and bad turnover rates may be due to the fact that he's playing for the Hawks. He will improve with expierence. Everything about his attitude has been blown out of proportion. I mean we have one of the most controversial players in the league right now and he has turned our team around. Salim has alot of potential. I would get him if I could.

If fussy means thinking we can get someone far, far better than Salim Stoudamire, a second stringer on a team without a good point guard, then yeah. Call me fussy.

Also, a word on Salim's attitude vs. who we have on the Kings. The knock on Salim wasn't just that he had a bad attitude, his knock at Arizona was that he was a bad teammate and a prima donna. Say what you will about the suspect charcters the Kings have had, you could never say that about Ron Artest, Bonzi Wells or anyone else.

 

[SLAB]

If fussy means thinking we can get someone far, far better than Salim Stoudamire, a second stringer on a team without a good point guard, then yeah. Call me fussy.

Also, a word on Salim's attitude vs. who we have on the Kings. The knock on Salim wasn't just that he had a bad attitude, his knock at Arizona was that he was a bad teammate and a prima donna. Say what you will about the suspect charcters the Kings have had, you could never say that about Ron Artest, Bonzi Wells or anyone else.

If we aquired Salim, I have no doubt in my mind that the instant he pulled some prima-donna/bad teammate move Artest would whip him into shape.

Artest would not let some kid come in and be a punk.

That being said, I really wanted us to get Salim last year, and if we can aquire him this year I would be really happy.

Anything is a step up from Jason Hart, though, so I'll pretty much be happy any sort of change is made.

 

[HaraWish]

Wow, he is a more controversial player than I thought. Now I can see both sides about him, light and dark. Thanks guys, especially nbrans for critics.

However, I'm still at pro-Salim camp. Maybe am I missing another younger combination of 'shooting PG + leading SG' - Salim + Garcia?

As stated above, he is short, but not a bad defender at PG, but actually a quite good defender. His leading is bad, but we have a lot of players who can lead the offense, currently. So I think he may flourish within a team in spite of his obvious weak points.

I think attitude can be changed, especially when he's young. We have those examples. Kevin was 'the man' during college basketball, and he needed 1-2 years to get accustomed. How about Garcia? He also took so much shots in early last season. I rememer. Adelman said that Garcia might think himself as Reggie Miller. ... And, as you saw, Garcia has changed. He didn't shoot much, and began to play as a team player.

Well. maybe Adelman might like Salim, because he usually enjoy small line-ups. I'm not sure about Mussleman whether he likes or not.

Anyway, I don't want to rush to Salim. I was looking for a back up PG who can also be tradable with Jason Hart. Then Salim came to my brain. Perhaps.... the hawks may show interest to Hart. They need a PG badly. With Joe Johnson, their PG doesn't need to be good at leading or shooting. Their PG needs to be a decent defender with a ball handling skill. Hart was good at that role with Bobcats, so ... ?

And the most important thing is... Salim is YOUNG and CHEAP.

 

[bench_blob]

Whoa, no way. I don't think the Kings need the dirt poor man's Eddie House.

Disagree. He is better than House now....not the same shooter, but better dribbler and penetrator, overall player.... And he is way better at the same age.

I think Geoff Petrie liked him at time of draft last year....just liked Garcia a little more.