Sacramento & Phoenix Trade

[Emma]

Going out:

Jason Thompson
John Salmons
Kenny Thomas

Coming in:

Amare Stoudamire

Why: Amare is pouting in Phoenix, he is starting to hate life next to the Diesel and will hopefully flourish as "The Man" here. Phoenix may do this because of the quality veteran talent in Salmons and upside in Thompson they get back. Thomas is what any team gets if we have to give up one of our shiny new toys.

Plus this moves Brad to the bench, placing Hawes in his natural position. That is, if Reggie is a smart man. And it opens up the 3 spot for Greene's development.

Trade works:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...1726~849~3462~1727&teams=21~21~21~23&te=&cash=

 

[Emma]

Oh yeah, lineup:

Udrih / Brown
Martin / Douby
Garcia / Greene
Stoudamire / Moore
Hawes / Miller

If we do this our bench must be bolstered in the near future.

 

[Smills91]

Oh yeah, lineup:

Udrih / Brown
Martin / Douby
Garcia / Greene
Stoudamire / Moore
Hawes / Miller

If we do this our bench must be bolstered in the near future.

Don't see the Suns signing off on that deal...and honestly, why not just sign that player to a 5 year deal in 2010....I mean if we can't sign them then, then what makes you think we can keep them if traded for them...then we're out the FA AND Thompson/Salmons to boot....

 

[Heuge]

Kenny Thomas and Shaq paired up? Dominate for many years to come...

 

[John Galt]

Going out:

Jason Thompson
John Salmons
Kenny Thomas

Coming in:

Amare Stoudamire

Why: Amare is pouting in Phoenix, he is starting to hate life next to the Diesel and will hopefully flourish as "The Man" here. Phoenix may do this because of the quality veteran talent in Salmons and upside in Thompson they get back. Thomas is what any team gets if we have to give up one of our shiny new toys.

Plus this moves Brad to the bench, placing Hawes in his natural position. That is, if Reggie is a smart man. And it opens up the 3 spot for Greene's development.

Trade works:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...1726~849~3462~1727&teams=21~21~21~23&te=&cash=

Then the Phoenix GM heads over to the unemployment office I suppose.. if he can get there alive with irate fans looking to stone him.

 

[RKid]

You dont want a piece of Amare Stoudamire, the guy is fools gold.

1: Rebounds and Defence? You wont get that from Amare the guy practically runs away from rebounds.

2: He is a tweener. He is not big enough to be a center, and not strong enough to be a power forward. Has no post up game to speak of, and his game resembles that of a SF without the 3 point range. You already have one of those, (Hawes) why would you want another one?

3. If you havent been following the suns this season, amare is turning into a egomaniac who wants to be Lebron.

The deal for Amare from the Kings point of view makes sense talent wise for now and if you want to trim payroll. Do you want to deal Thompson for someone who will be gone by 2010?

 

[John Galt]

You dont want a piece of Amare Stoudamire, the guy is fools gold.

1: Rebounds and Defence? You wont get that from Amare the guy practically runs away from rebounds.

2: He is a tweener. He is not big enough to be a center, and not strong enough to be a power forward. Has no post up game to speak of, and his game resembles that of a SF without the 3 point range. You already have one of those, (Hawes) why would you want another one?

3. If you havent been following the suns this season, amare is turning into a egomaniac who wants to be Lebron.

The deal for Amare from the Kings point of view makes sense talent wise for now and if you want to trim payroll. Do you want to deal Thompson for someone who will be gone by 2010?

yes... I do. But the Suns can fetch far far more for him.

 

[SacKings7]

Kenny Thomas and Shaq paired up? Dominate for many years to come...

Most of the Suns payroll that is.

 

[mbkings10]

If the Suns were willing to deal Amare, no way would they deal with someone in their own division.

 

[rhythmless]

You dont want a piece of Amare Stoudamire, the guy is fools gold.

1: Rebounds and Defence? You wont get that from Amare the guy practically runs away from rebounds.

2: He is a tweener. He is not big enough to be a center, and not strong enough to be a power forward. Has no post up game to speak of, and his game resembles that of a SF without the 3 point range. You already have one of those, (Hawes) why would you want another one?

3. If you havent been following the suns this season, amare is turning into a egomaniac who wants to be Lebron.

The deal for Amare from the Kings point of view makes sense talent wise for now and if you want to trim payroll. Do you want to deal Thompson for someone who will be gone by 2010?

1. Rebounds: Career @ 9, and this season averaging 8.3, which is good for 20th place. KG is getting 8.9, yao is getting 9.5. I agree with the defense, but i think you pulled that reboundign thing out of your @#$.

2. Not big enough to be a center, but very strong as a power forward. Probably most athletically gifted power forward in the game today. Only other true pf that could come close to athleticism is chris bosh, but he is not as strong. Is chris bosh too weak to play pf too? His game is not a small forwards without outside shooting. He does lack post moves, prefering to face the basket and shoot midrange jumpers, but he also scores around the basket at a very high rate. 56% this year. FG% dont lie, but you do.

3. Ego- yes. No debate there.

Much of your analysis of Amare is clearly shrouded by your obvious dislike of him, but with or without your nba caliber scouting report, Amare still stands as one of the most phsyically gifted true power forwards in the game today, and his lack of post moves can be attributed to the fact that he could pretty much jump over anyone guarding him. He has all the tools to be as good as he wants to be. His ego is disconcerting, though not without merit, as grumblings in Phoenix aren't just coming from him.

Bottom line... if you can get Amare and he is open to the possibility of being a King, you part with your rookie, a dime a dozen scorer in salmons, and marquee player K9 (thats ridiculous btw, that we would be able to unload k9 so the suns will be able to "dump" amare onto us). With Martin, Amare, and Hawes, all you need is a willing passer to set everyone up and you are golden.

 

[syadap]

I would rather trade for bosh than trade for amare....And about the trade i doubt phoenix accepts the deal anyway....

 

[RKid]

1. Rebounds: Career @ 9, and this season averaging 8.3, which is good for 20th place. KG is getting 8.9, yao is getting 9.5. I agree with the defense, but i think you pulled that reboundign thing out of your @#$.

With all his undeniable physical attributes he has only gotten double digits in rebounds in only six games. SIX. He has gotten as little as 3 and as much as 20 (his last game when he was abused for not getting enough rebounds against Dallas and NOH) Add to that that he is an awful help defender and you have STAT. Please go read some Suns message boards or watch some games. PM me and ill send you some sights.

2. Not big enough to be a center, but very strong as a power forward. Probably most athletically gifted power forward in the game today. Only other true pf that could come close to athleticism is chris bosh, but he is not as strong. Is chris bosh too weak to play pf too? His game is not a small forwards without outside shooting. He does lack post moves, prefering to face the basket and shoot midrange jumpers, but he also scores around the basket at a very high rate. 56% this year. FG% dont lie, but you do.

How did I lie? Did I say that he shot an awful %? Watch a Suns game, and look for how many jumpers he shoots and how many points he gets around the basket without Steve Nash pick n rolls. Reading comprehension anyone?
Besides what is the point of putting up awsome numbers on offense and getting destroyed by other good legit power forwards? Dirk Nowitzki (who tore him so bad they put Matt Barnes and Raja on him.) Amare has a great jumpshot that is true, and he dunks a lot he doesnt change games or impacts games like great players who lead their teams to championships do.

3. Ego- yes. No debate there.

Good we agree.

Much of your analysis of Amare is clearly shrouded by your obvious dislike of him, but with or without your nba caliber scouting report, Amare still stands as one of the most phsyically gifted true power forwards in the game today, and his lack of post moves can be attributed to the fact that he could pretty much jump over anyone guarding him. He has all the tools to be as good as he wants to be. His ego is disconcerting, though not without merit, as grumblings in Phoenix aren't just coming from him.

I dont dislike Amare, if anything I like him being in PHX and would be thrilled if he went to Sac. Because of Amare, his lack of D, his SF game, his ego, and his ability to kill the Suns rhythm on offense, the Lakers are going to kill the Suns in the regular season and in the playoffs. Im fine with him going of for 60 because he wont stop anyone and he wont help stop anyone.

Watch a suns game, actually watch a lot of them against good teams and you will see that Amare is good, but not good enough to build around. Amare is not a rookie anymore he is 25 with 1 year lost to a knee operation, how much more can he learn now that he couldnt learn the last 6 years?

Unlike Nash Amare is not complaining because he wants the team to get better he is complaining because he wants to be in the same discussion as Lebron and Wade, and he wants to be the man in PHX.

Bottom line... if you can get Amare and he is open to the possibility of being a King, you part with your rookie, a dime a dozen scorer in salmons, and marquee player K9 (thats ridiculous btw, that we would be able to unload k9 so the suns will be able to "dump" amare onto us). With Martin, Amare, and Hawes, all you need is a willing passer to set everyone up and you are golden.

Good, that way you could have all five of your players be perimeter jump shooters instead of the normal three, all the while given up 110 a game and getting outrebounded by 40 a game. Lets hope both teams pull the trigger.

"He's not a great player," one member of Team USA's staff said in Beijing. "He makes great plays. There's a difference."

 

[Kingster]

1. Rebounds: Career @ 9, and this season averaging 8.3, which is good for 20th place. KG is getting 8.9, yao is getting 9.5. I agree with the defense, but i think you pulled that reboundign thing out of your @#$.

2. Not big enough to be a center, but very strong as a power forward. Probably most athletically gifted power forward in the game today. Only other true pf that could come close to athleticism is chris bosh, but he is not as strong. Is chris bosh too weak to play pf too? His game is not a small forwards without outside shooting. He does lack post moves, prefering to face the basket and shoot midrange jumpers, but he also scores around the basket at a very high rate. 56% this year. FG% dont lie, but you do.

3. Ego- yes. No debate there.

Much of your analysis of Amare is clearly shrouded by your obvious dislike of him, but with or without your nba caliber scouting report, Amare still stands as one of the most phsyically gifted true power forwards in the game today, and his lack of post moves can be attributed to the fact that he could pretty much jump over anyone guarding him. He has all the tools to be as good as he wants to be. His ego is disconcerting, though not without merit, as grumblings in Phoenix aren't just coming from him.

Bottom line... if you can get Amare and he is open to the possibility of being a King, you part with your rookie, a dime a dozen scorer in salmons, and marquee player K9 (thats ridiculous btw, that we would be able to unload k9 so the suns will be able to "dump" amare onto us). With Martin, Amare, and Hawes, all you need is a willing passer to set everyone up and you are golden.

I'm not a big Amare fan either. Don't like his attitude. Not a great rebounder. Doesn't play D (KG>>>>>>A on D). Yeah, he can put up the points, but I like what I see from Thompson in the other areas. I'd rather trade Salmons for a young up and coming point guard.

 

[bajaden]

The problem I have with Amare, or perhaps my biggest fear is that he's a product of having a good pt guard to play with. Which, when last I looked, we don't have.

My gut tells me that Beno/Amare just doesn't add up to Nash/Amare. I've watched him play quite a bit, and I would call him a inconsistant rebounder. 13 rebounds one game and 4 the next. Which to my mind makes him a slightly above average rebounder. He's not a very good defender, and to me thats the biggest rub, considering the Kings aren't exactly a defensive juggernaut at the moment.

Because of those things I listed, I'm not willing to part with Thompson. I'd rather see what we eventually get with him. If you can find another way to get him without giving up Thompson, then I'm on board.

 

[Emma]

really, I've thought about it and the only way to sweeten the deal is to throw in our late first this year. I think that Phoenix swallows the pill if you come to them with the above deal and a pick. You'd have to be crazy not to do it. Especially with the horrible team chemistry in Phoenix.

I want to avoid that, but I wanted to dump K9 as well. Not a priority, but it is a bonus.

 

[oaklandking]

I really cant see this trade