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Even if he was playing, Evan's 20/5/5 and Casspi's number's these couple of weeks (23/7/2 50+% fg, 45+%3pt) are very similar in impact. If Casspi can continue this same type of contribution for January (obviously he cannot shoot so well all the time, so I expect points to drop), Casspi could very well take the ROM award for January away from incumbent Evans.
I'd have to say that the steals, blocks and rebounds and general defense still tips it to Evans for me, although I love Casspi, too. Evans' block and steal on Nash in the 4th was great! He had a lot of rebounds, especially for a PG, too.
 
I'd have to say that the steals, blocks and rebounds and general defense still tips it to Evans for me, although I love Casspi, too. Evans' block and steal on Nash in the 4th was great! He had a lot of rebounds, especially for a PG, too.

I was exclusively referring to Casspi's play as of late (last 4 games). In those 4 games, he has more rebounds than Evans, and their blocks are about the same. What are you referring to?
 
I'd have to say that the steals, blocks and rebounds and general defense still tips it to Evans for me, although I love Casspi, too. Evans' block and steal on Nash in the 4th was great! He had a lot of rebounds, especially for a PG, too.


Not to mention being the guy with the ball in his hands, making the decison, and drawing a constant double.

If there is some of Peja and Webb in all of this, its people not getting the distinction, really the gulf, between the player who creates, and the player who finishes. The one player has the weight of the team on his shoulders, and often the weight of the other team too as they send waves of defenders at him. The other really only has to worry about his own game. Omri's going great, but how often is he doubled? How often is he running the offense?

That's not an implication that Omri is not a team guy BTW. Omri's laying it on on the line for the team more than just about any other shooter/scorer I can recall. But it is a question of roles and importance inherent to each position. The player who runs the offense, the player who draws all the opposing team's defensive attention, the star/superstar, is ALWAYS more important than any of the other guys on the team (assuming he's any good). Only time there is even a question about that is if you have a great big guy as well. Shaq n Kobe etc. But shooting/scoring wings?Basically never. (that's also not to sya if Reke started really struggling Omri could nto pass him, same way he is playing better than Jennings right now).
 
Not to mention being the guy with the ball in his hands, making the decison, and drawing a constant double.

If there is some of Peja and Webb in all of this, its people not getting the distinction, really the gulf, between the player who creates, and the player who finishes. The one player has the weight of the team on his shoulders, and often the weight of the other team too as they send waves of defenders at him. The other really only has to worry about his own game. Omri's going great, but how often is he doubled? How often is he running the offense?

That's not an implication that Omri is not a team guy BTW. Omri's laying it on on the line for the team more than just about any other shooter/scorer I can recall. But it is a question of roles and importance inherent to each position. The player who runs the offense, the player who draws all the opposing team's defensive attention, the star/superstar, is ALWAYS more important than any of the other guys on the team (assuming he's any good). Only time there is even a question about that is if you have a great big guy as well. Shaq n Kobe etc. But shooting/scoring wings?Basically never. (that's also not to sya if Reke started really struggling Omri could nto pass him, same way he is playing better than Jennings right now).

I never put Omri's status or hierarchy in line w/Tyreke's. What you are referring to is a long term view of a team. I mentioned the ROM, which is myopic of a particular month. IMO, it is much less scope than production. If Tyreke has lower stats due to Martin taking the ball away from his hands as much, and Casspi (who is effective as a finisher and receiver) maintains slightly what he has been doing, then it will be an interesting month for the ROM award here in Kingsland.

I doubt anyone feels that Casspi is more of a franchise cornerstone than Tyreke.
 
I think we need a tighter game schedule. All this space between games is making everyone bored and resorting to theoretically facing our players against each other. This is a team sport and all these guys need to rely on each other to win games. I am sure both Tyreke and Omri would gladly give up their place in the rookie rankings for a spot in the playoffs and a chance to knock off the lakers :D
 
I think we need a tighter game schedule. All this space between games is making everyone bored and resorting to theoretically facing our players against each other. This is a team sport and all these guys need to rely on each other to win games. I am sure both Tyreke and Omri would gladly give up their place in the rookie rankings for a spot in the playoffs and a chance to knock off the lakers :D

Agreed.
 
I never put Omri's status or hierarchy in line w/Tyreke's. What you are referring to is a long term view of a team. I mentioned the ROM, which is myopic of a particular month. IMO, it is much less scope than production. If Tyreke has lower stats due to Martin taking the ball away from his hands as much, and Casspi (who is effective as a finisher and receiver) maintains slightly what he has been doing, then it will be an interesting month for the ROM award here in Kingsland.

I doubt anyone feels that Casspi is more of a franchise cornerstone than Tyreke.


Ok, I've got no quibbles with that.
 
I was exclusively referring to Casspi's play as of late (last 4 games). In those 4 games, he has more rebounds than Evans, and their blocks are about the same. What are you referring to?
And what I said earlier was that I thought Evans' missed games was probably the reason for putting Casspi ahead of Evans. It appears that was Thopre's reason. So if Evans plays all games recently, Casspi would have been less likley to have been rated over Evans by Thorpe.

Thorpe's explanation to the Bee:

Evans' ankle problems and three missed games are the main reason he dropped, with Casspi's phenomenal week making it easy to move him up after he was third overall last week.
 
Love how Thorpe says that Evans 'absolutely is a pg'. Detractors can munch on that for lunch!

I thought the Jonny Flynn example was excellent as well. Basically that while they're both good passers and unselfish players, they're young and sometimes over-focused on scoring. Doesn't mean they can't be your starting PG, though.

Previously, he's compared him to a "mutant Tony Parker" because of his ability to get to the rim and finish. I like that as well.
 
Jennings vs Lakers tonight

4-17fg 2-5 threes

10pts/4rb/3ast/2stl

ROY SURE IS LOCKED UP BY JENNINGS
 
Jennings vs Lakers tonight

4-17fg 2-5 threes

10pts/4rb/3ast/2stl

ROY SURE IS LOCKED UP BY JENNINGS

He is a victim of his own success. He scored 55 with no way shape or how of being able to duplicate that feat for at least another few years, yet he is now judged on that one feat alone. Meanwhile, Evans is steadily scoring at will and within himself and his team, he has imposed his will on his team and changed their overall demeanor, and he has led them to a decent record one year after a complete meltdown. I feel kinda bad for Jennings, especially with Tyreke being so damn consistently good on the other end.

Kinda reminds me of Sleepy Floyd dropping 50 against the Lakers in the playoffs. Sleepy just wasn't that good, but he had that one game.....Tony Delk anyone?
 
Jennings doesn't get enough credit for his assists and running that offense rather well for a rook. His shooting slump has become the focal point, along with the return of Redd. Interesting to see if he makes a second half resurgence if the Bucks trade away Redd.
 
Jennings doesn't get enough credit for his assists and running that offense rather well for a rook. His shooting slump has become the focal point, along with the return of Redd. Interesting to see if he makes a second half resurgence if the Bucks trade away Redd.
But is it a slump though?!

If you look at his career number against any decent opposition and he is shooting at the clip that he has throughout his career. He had a super hot start to the season and he was ALWAYS going to come down to earth as he was shooting the ball at an all time high for him.
 
But is it a slump though?!

If you look at his career number against any decent opposition and he is shooting at the clip that he has throughout his career. He had a super hot start to the season and he was ALWAYS going to come down to earth as he was shooting the ball at an all time high for him.

It's going to be interesting to see whether his hot start is actually his normal level of play or a streak of superhuman performance. I personally think it's the former until proven otherwise. He's got immense speed but lacks some tools in the tool box. The big if is whether he can find a way to add those tools to his repertoire.
 
It's going to be interesting to see whether his hot start is actually his normal level of play or a streak of superhuman performance. I personally think it's the former until proven otherwise.

Let's put it this way. He shot 50% over the first 7 games of the season, and then went on to shoot 36% for the 27 games and counting since then. Which do you think is more likely his normal level?
 
It's going to be interesting to see whether his hot start is actually his normal level of play or a streak of superhuman performance. I personally think it's the former until proven otherwise. He's got immense speed but lacks some tools in the tool box. The big if is whether he can find a way to add those tools to his repertoire.

I've pretty much lost interest already. His game was figured out by the league, as opposed to a player like Reke who is figuring out the league. It's not even close for the ROY race at this point. And as Omri continues to improve, although I'm not quite ready to, I'm almost ready to predict Omri finishing ahead of him in the ROY race. Hell at this point Brockman's got him in his sights. Anyone wanna take my money on Brockman not being in the top ten for ROY race by the year's end??? I'll go ahead and say that right now. We will have three of the top ten rookies.
 
Jennings through halfway 4th against phx

11pts/2rb/7ast
4-15 fg 3-8 THREES...

wow hes lightning it up again
 
Evans 1
Casspi 2
Jennings 3
Lawson 4
Flynn 5

Can't get any analysis without signing up for insider though.
 
Evans 1
Casspi 2
Jennings 3
Lawson 4
Flynn 5

Can't get any analysis without signing up for insider though.

The analysis hasn't been updated. It still says January 6 for all the players except for Ty Lawson, where it says December 30... Perhaps it's still a work in progress? I doubt it, since it's already been like that for a couple of days?
 
I think we've all missed it. The real competition for ROY is between Tyreke and Casspi. Let the best man win.
 
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