Ron Ron and the Knicks:

[CruzDude]

And how many times does a franchise do that? Honestly, and they just got to top 4 THIS year and were never in the top 4 those last few years with Stockton/Malone either. So In actuality is was more like 6-7 years from the time they were at the top(like the Kings were in '02) to the time they got back to a top 4 position in the West.

OK. So now it's 6 years since the Kings last "top of the league" in 2002. And while RonRon is not "the core" of a rebuild he is a valuable piece and brings unique defensive abilities to the Kings.

Of course the Knicks want RonRon and their media can dream all they want. That's what your seeing in the press. Ain't gonna happen 'cause the Knicks don't have anything the Kings want much less need. Forget Lee.

We'll see that RonRon doesn't opt out the end of the month and is one of the core players this year. With Beno in the fold and a good draft and summer league, no reason the Kings shouldn't win close to 50 games this year. If RonRon buys into the team concept and plays in the team concept, the Kings will do well.

The Spurs, Suns and Mavs are on the down slopes while the Hornets appear to be the new power on the block, with the Jazz and Lakers again at their tops. Houston, the Warriors and Denver are again big question marks with the Blazers on their way up. So there is a hole in the front line for the Kings to pop through into the secondary, the upper echelon of the western conference. And RonRon can be a big piece to get us there.

 

[Dime Dropper]

OK. So now it's 6 years since the Kings last "top of the league" in 2002. And while RonRon is not "the core" of a rebuild he is a valuable piece and brings unique defensive abilities to the Kings.

Of course the Knicks want RonRon and their media can dream all they want. That's what your seeing in the press. Ain't gonna happen 'cause the Knicks don't have anything the Kings want much less need. Forget Lee.

We'll see that RonRon doesn't opt out the end of the month and is one of the core players this year. With Beno in the fold and a good draft and summer league, no reason the Kings shouldn't win close to 50 games this year. If RonRon buys into the team concept and plays in the team concept, the Kings will do well.

The Spurs, Suns and Mavs are on the down slopes while the Hornets appear to be the new power on the block, with the Jazz and Lakers again at their tops. Houston, the Warriors and Denver are again big question marks with the Blazers on their way up. So there is a hole in the front line for the Kings to pop through into the secondary, the upper echelon of the western conference. And RonRon can be a big piece to get us there.

Yipee, playoffs but no legitimate chance at winning. Why is that so appealing to you?

Anyway, I guess it's all irrelevant. You're kidding yourself if you think this team will win 50 games.

Why not reply to Bricks post and reply to each point he made? I know why, because you can't argue with anything he said. You're dreaming. This Kings team is NOT going anywhere soon. The sooner the Kings FO acknowledge we need a full rebuild, the better.

 

[SacKings7]

You think this team is almost a 50 win team? Wow. Sorry, but I don't agree with that at all. And as someone said, why would you want to sneak into the playoffs, and get swept in the first round? We have to rebuild, and that doesn't happen overnight

 

[AyeCarly]

Funny, the Utah Jazz did it in two years. Weird how that worked out.

The Jazz lost 2 franchise players in Stockton/Malone (to retirement) which left a team that didn’t have a prayer. This gave them the cap space to sign Boozer. When Boozer and others went down, that again left a team that didn’t have a prayer, which led to the #3 pick. And last they kept their coach and system (a good defensive based system) in tact.

Where we differ is we lost our 1 franchise player to career altering injury, and we still owed a ton of money to him and when we traded him we got back the same amount of money in the form of 3 players. In retrospect, the trade should have been for expiring contracts (to be able to sign a Boozer type franchise player), but GP was trying to keep things going (as our team still had a prayer) so I can’t fault him too much. And last we lost our coach and identity, attributable to the Maloofs. We all saw what Adelman did with the Rockets minus their franchise player Yao.

The Jazz were not a rebuild, they were more of a do over, thanks to Stockton/Malone expiring, ownership trusting their coach, and luck in losing their best player to a non career altering injury, which led to a bad season and a high draft pick.

While it may seem easy to rebuild a championship contending team to some people, it actually is quite hard. That’s why the same teams (San Antonio, Detroit, LA, Chicago, Detroit and LA again, and Boston before that) stay on top for so long. If it were easy we'd see more teams winning a championship, instead of the same ones every other year/decade.

 

[bajaden]

You think this team is almost a 50 win team? Wow. Sorry, but I don't agree with that at all. And as someone said, why would you want to sneak into the playoffs, and get swept in the first round? We have to rebuild, and that doesn't happen overnight

Well, in truth, even if we rebuild as you want, we'll eventually sneak into the playoffs and probably lose in the first round. Or, if we actually do make the playoffs next year, maybe thats exactly what were doing. Slowly rebuilding, one step at a time, or, one player at a time and then sneaking, as you calll it, ( i guess that means no one saw us until it was too late ) into the playoffs.

Boy, I can remember a time when any Kings fan would have been happy just to be in the playoffs, and they wouldn't have cared how we got there. But sucess does raise standards doesn't it?

Just think. If we had played in the east last year, we probably would have won 5 to 10 more games. We would have been in the playoffs whether we did or not, and wouldn't even have been the last seed. Pretty good huh? Or, maybe not. All depends on your expectations. I guess I grew up with the St. Louis Cardinal mentality. If my team finished 5th last year and then 4th this year, it was a great year. Then I would get ready to watch the Yankee's and Dodgers in the world series. I guess I'm just easier to please.

 

[SacKings7]

Well, in truth, even if we rebuild as you want, we'll eventually sneak into the playoffs and probably lose in the first round. Or, if we actually do make the playoffs next year, maybe thats exactly what were doing. Slowly rebuilding, one step at a time, or, one player at a time and then sneaking, as you calll it, ( i guess that means no one saw us until it was too late ) into the playoffs.

Boy, I can remember a time when any Kings fan would have been happy just to be in the playoffs, and they wouldn't have cared how we got there. But sucess does raise standards doesn't it?

Just think. If we had played in the east last year, we probably would have won 5 to 10 more games. We would have been in the playoffs whether we did or not, and wouldn't even have been the last seed. Pretty good huh? Or, maybe not. All depends on your expectations. I guess I grew up with the St. Louis Cardinal mentality. If my team finished 5th last year and then 4th this year, it was a great year. Then I would get ready to watch the Yankee's and Dodgers in the world series. I guess I'm just easier to please.

I'm not complaining about the quality of our team, as they are much more fun to watch this year than last year (though i really don't get the chance to watch many games). But ultimately, this team as it is just isn't built to win a championship, or contend for one. And isn't that what it's all about?

 

[Bricklayer]

Well, in truth, even if we rebuild as you want, we'll eventually sneak into the playoffs and probably lose in the first round.

There is quite obviously a vast difference between that situation and the one you have in Kingsland right now.

The sitaution you referred to has a point -- its a step in a process. But not the final step. Not the point. No fan of a team who has rebuilt correctly ever says after that first season when they sneak in and lose "woohoo! We made the playoffs! Oh happy day!" (particularly since more than 50% of the teams in the league do make the playoffs every year). They say "next year we'll go further". The goal is the going further.

If you aim low, if your big goal is to make the playoffs, then you will achieve low. You have lost before you even started because you were too cowardly to even try to win. Its not hard to build a playoff team in the NBA -- as mentioned more thna half the teams make it every year. Any trained monkey can get there eventually, and big whoop. You get to be somebody's first round tuneup and pretend you are a real team. If on the other hand you rebuild, you take your lumps and do what has to be done and then come out the other side...then that sneak into the playoffs year is nothing. Nice, but big whoop. Let the losers celebrate it. You are on a bigger quest, and the sneak in year is just a stepping stone to the real deal.

 

[Gary]

That's bull...I hate the ALL IN OR ALL OUT stances on rebuilding. Ron's 28 years YOUNG. He's still got 4-5 years left of PRIME basketball. That's plenty to help in continuing to build this franchise up going forward. You don't have to go for broke and you don't have to completely sell out. It takes time, adjustments and patience to fully rebuild. Petrie got on board in 94 and the CORE championship team took 8 years(2002) to come to fruition.
If you look at C-Webb's knee as the point that set us back, then we're about 4 years or so into the new rebuild. I guarantee that in 3-4 years we'll be in the top 4 in the Western Confernce again and looking strong going forward.

Yah, and in 4 or 5 years when the Kings are ready to compete Ron will be out there in his 'hover round'....

 

[Bricklayer]

Yah, and in 4 or 5 years when the Kings are ready to compete Ron will be out there in his 'hover round'....

Pretty snazzy photoshop, but the dog looks too well fed.

 

[Gary]

lol.. Yah... I am not that good at the whole photoshop thing.. Actually.. I am OK if I put time into it

 

[bajaden]

Yah, and in 4 or 5 years when the Kings are ready to compete Ron will be out there in his 'hover round'....

If I didn't know better, I'd say you had too much time on your hands. Pretty funny