Resign McCants (split from Petrie grade thread)
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BritishColumbia
Bench
He is your new Bobby in bigger body ... The problem is that we have Cisco is our bench guard and potential 6th man. At least, he is paid to be the one for us.
kingsnation
All-Star
Cisco could be the SF, but of course that would lessen the chance of seeing more Donte. So if the question came down to it: Who would everyone want more? Cisco or McCants??
I say Cisco.
I say Cisco.
MassachusettsKingsFan
All-Star
I dont really think there is a place for him on this team. With potentially 3 picks this year, I dont see a scenario were he SHOULD get minutes.
Arby's Roast Beef
Starter
He's not worth the MLE. Undersized SG gunner scorers are commion in the NBA.
Another gamble on a contract for an undersized player with mediocre talents.
I would say NO.
We have collected and signed enough of these undersized and mediocre talents before. It spelled disaster. I'd say save the money and the long contracts for a proven talent.
I would say NO.
We have collected and signed enough of these undersized and mediocre talents before. It spelled disaster. I'd say save the money and the long contracts for a proven talent.
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Rockmeister
All-Star
Let's not resign McCants.
As of now, our roster going into next year is at 8 players. With our two first rounders, and assuming we sign our early second rounder, we're still only at 11. We would need two to get to the league minimum of 13.
Maybe Diogu actually gets some PT and we decide to keep him, but if not the only other guys I can see bringing back are Jackson (cheap) or McCants. I think a lot of McCants' future with us will come down to the draft. If we don't land at least one and probably two big men, we'll have to fill that void with signings, which would hurt McCants' chances. If we end up going with Harden with our top pick (on the BPA principle - it could happen) McCants would be looking elsewhere.
Anyway, if we decide to keep him I hope we don't go much beyond the minimum qualifying offer for him ($3.6M) but the kid can score.
Maybe Diogu actually gets some PT and we decide to keep him, but if not the only other guys I can see bringing back are Jackson (cheap) or McCants. I think a lot of McCants' future with us will come down to the draft. If we don't land at least one and probably two big men, we'll have to fill that void with signings, which would hurt McCants' chances. If we end up going with Harden with our top pick (on the BPA principle - it could happen) McCants would be looking elsewhere.
Anyway, if we decide to keep him I hope we don't go much beyond the minimum qualifying offer for him ($3.6M) but the kid can score.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
I don't want Mccants around after this season. He's a good player, but with the wrong team. Donte needs those minutes next year. I could also see Mccants getting a little more selfish after signing a contact. The guy loves to get his shots up, and that won't help the rebuilding. Donte baby!
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
Mccants is a good defender and scorer and hes young, if we can resign him for cheap hell yea do it. Donte will be getting his minutes at SF/PF. Mccants wont effect him. Itll be nice to always have a a gunner at shooting guard when Martin comes out Mccants come in and keeps the scoring pressure on.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
I say extend the qualifying offer to him otherwise let him walk. he can then be packaged with another player(beno) to get some picks, another young player or a larger expiring. remember this economy is really bad right now, no point in setting ourselves up ala beno with a knucklehead long term. he knows he's playing for a new contract
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
We obviously brought him in to take a look at him, so its a possibility. And he's young enough to be part of the rebuild, so its a double possibility. Add in the fact he is willing to try on defense, and he plays a phsyical style our other weenie wings cannot match, and resigning him is not out of the possibility, nor do I think it should be off the table. He and Kevin both being largely restricted to a single position is a real problem, but we've seen the dynamic potential already...and fortunately have not yet seen the head/mouth problems to this point. In fact at the moment he seems to be adding a bit of toughness to our piddly soft little Charmin boys.
In any case, he's the best/only young piece with a possible future we added in all that trading, and in a rebuild what you are trying to do is pile up young pieces. But the contract would be everything (no long term MLE type deals allowed!). We may be dealing from a position of strenght there though -- Minnesota basically benched him and then firesaled him off. In this market that isn't going to result in any full MLE type offers. Wouldn't surprise me if we could get him back on a 2yr $6mil type deal or some such, where he gets to try to prove himself to earn the bigger deal in the future. If that were true, much would depend on what our strategy is going forward -- are we all about the caproom? 2009 or 2010? Or do we add young pieces where we can?
In any case, he's the best/only young piece with a possible future we added in all that trading, and in a rebuild what you are trying to do is pile up young pieces. But the contract would be everything (no long term MLE type deals allowed!). We may be dealing from a position of strenght there though -- Minnesota basically benched him and then firesaled him off. In this market that isn't going to result in any full MLE type offers. Wouldn't surprise me if we could get him back on a 2yr $6mil type deal or some such, where he gets to try to prove himself to earn the bigger deal in the future. If that were true, much would depend on what our strategy is going forward -- are we all about the caproom? 2009 or 2010? Or do we add young pieces where we can?
HighTopKicks
Bench
McCants only plays one position,and GP likes more versitile players. Your right about McCants not taking Donte's minutes at least directly. But, if he backs up Martin then where will Cisco play. Hopefully, we pick up a PG in the draft, so Cisco won't get much time there, with Martin & McCants at the 2 not much PT there, so all that's left is the 3. Noc & Cisco & Donte all playing the 3 mean little PT for Donte.
We're going to need another swing player, but as a reserve and not as a backup. We should be able to get a second rounder or undrafted player for that Someone like Christmas or Danny Green, would be a good fit, and only cost a fraction of what McCants will.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
You are forgetting the possibility we move Noc over the summer, although truth be told Noc and McCants together, along with Bobby, have actually fed off each other as far as being at least somewhat hardnosed.
SacKings7
Starter
If we could pick up Danny Green in the 2nd round I think that could be a steal. I haven't seen much of him, but I like what I've seen so far. Although he doesn't fill either need.
HighTopKicks
Bench
I agree that the Kings wanted to take a look at him. But, I'm not sure why? He's undersized, and is a one position player which isn't generally a GP type player. Unless, GP thinks he's our next QD, and that the Kings can convert him into a combo guy.
Either way, he's in line for a qualifying offer of $3.6M and has a Cap Space Hold of $7.9M. For a guy that basicly is only going to play 10-12 minutes behind Martin, $6M over 2 yrs is too much. Besides Cisco plays the backup for Martin. Do we need 2 over priced backups. We probably could use another wing as a reserve, but McCants won't like been the 3rd guy in the rotation at the 2.
kingzallday
Starter
WHY? I would say, Hell No.
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
Mccants wouldnt just be playing minutes at SG, he can play the point ala. Bobby Jackson when Cisco is on the floor. And hes not that undersized, yah hes only 6'4 but the guy weighs 30 pounds more then Martin. And he plays with physicallity. Plus hes athletic and a good defender, so his height shouldn't come into this equation too much as a negative aspect. He was guarding Al Thorton pretty good in the clips game and ALs got a 5 inch height difference on him. Every time we get tough nosed gritty players like Rashad we never end up keepin em (artest,Evans,Bonzi) and thats why our team is so pathetic and weak. We got a good foundation right now of some gritty players to build on, (Mccants,Thompson,Nocioni) are all willing to lay it all out on the line and lay some players out if the game gets physical. And we are going too need as much of that as possible with the soft guards we have right now. Keep Rashad im sick of our team looking like a bunch of soft pansies out there.
HighTopKicks
Bench
I guess we'll have to disagree. Not Undersize as a PG, but he doesn't have the court vision or ball handling skill of a PG or the inclination to pass instead of shot. And just like Bobby, he'll drag the offense down, with his inability to set up others and trying too often to score on his own. Absolutely, we need better defensive players, but we need two dimentional players that fill a need. There is only so much room for tough nosed gritty role players.
If we draft a pure PG, he'll end up being 3rd on the depth chart at PG assuming we don't resign BJax, then he'll be 4th. He is undersized at SF, and slightly undersized at SG. So, his only natural fit is SG, and unless your willing to move Martin, PT is going to be limited at that position.
So, even if he could be converted to a Combo Guard, the minutes aren't going to be there unless we move Beno. Until then we're going to have a high energy, highly intense guy sitting on the bench waiting for limited minutes at SG. A situation that can only turn out bad.
asakkings
Bench
Yea McCants definately cant play PG BJAx worked in our old teams because everyone else made up for his lack of passing, while he gave us energy and shotmaking that no one else was really able to do.
I still think it might not be a bad idea to keep mccants to come of the bench for a scoring and defense punch along with nocioni.
I still think it might not be a bad idea to keep mccants to come of the bench for a scoring and defense punch along with nocioni.
Arby's Roast Beef
Starter
Not sure if he's worth it. He's been hovering around 8-10 ppg this year and has had double digit scoring averages in the past and is still young, but scoring is the easiest to find and undersized SGs tend to get tough love in the market, unless they're really good. Not to mention that he's been splitting time between two cellar-dwelling teams where stats can potentially be inflated (although not for his case), and we're talking about probably a player worth about $3.5-4 million really. I think he'll get some appeal because of the youth factor, and he's tough and has got scoring chops, but he's also an example of a guy you just shouldn't overpay because scoring isn't all that, his attitude can be questionable, he's a tweener gunner and whether he can develop any all-around skills is questionable. The years may be variable depending on the negotiations, but he's definitely not worth the full MLE.
Oh, and in terms of team needs I don't even think he's worth it. He comes from the same cloth as Kevin Martin--really just looks to score, although in his case just more with the jumpshot and less with the slashing. Francisco Garcia, our other wing, is also another scorer of sorts who hasn't quite developed that all-around game. So really, three wing scorers...we got rid of Salmons, brought back a poor man's smaller version of him. I'd really say let him go, because there's no way we can move Garcia with his contract kicking in after this season, and I don't expect him to blow up and impress immensely. We would be better served using the cash on an all-around guard, or more importantly, a pass-first defensive minded point guard.
Oh, and in terms of team needs I don't even think he's worth it. He comes from the same cloth as Kevin Martin--really just looks to score, although in his case just more with the jumpshot and less with the slashing. Francisco Garcia, our other wing, is also another scorer of sorts who hasn't quite developed that all-around game. So really, three wing scorers...we got rid of Salmons, brought back a poor man's smaller version of him. I'd really say let him go, because there's no way we can move Garcia with his contract kicking in after this season, and I don't expect him to blow up and impress immensely. We would be better served using the cash on an all-around guard, or more importantly, a pass-first defensive minded point guard.
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LPKingsFan
All-Star
I don't think anyone's talking about the MLE. The OP even said the idea was for less than the MLE. I like Brick's 2 year $6 mil idea. If not, we can find scoring elsewhere. But I like what I've been hearing in terms of his toughness and attitude.
Arby's Roast Beef
Starter
If it was a 2 yr $6mil offer, then it's worth it. This year's not a good year for free agency with everyone climbing onto the 2010 train, and it's possible for teams to just skip over McCants for the reasons I listed above, and at the end of the day he may just have to accept our offer. I don't know if he has a Ben Gordon-type inflated opinion of himself, as he's making $2.6 million this year--and with our deal, he would only be making $3 million for little long term security, so it's not really the way to bargain. But in a market like this, it's possible. I forgot to note his defense--there's potential there, and he seems to be the type who can impose his physicality both offensively and defensively while shooting well, so there's something more just the one-dimensional gunner types we're looking at. And if it's that 2 yr $6 million offer, it's worth it. Just don't overpay him for long years so our perception of him is not based more on his contract than on his game.
SacKings7
Starter
Yes, thank you. I specifically said bring him back for LESS than the MLE. I didn't mention on a short contract, but I meant that too. Thanks for clearing that up
DocHolliday
Starter
The Kings simply can't re-sign McCants in my opinion. The Kings can't keep on nickel and diming themselves, or they won't have the big money to pay the right person when the opportunity presents itself.
