Real GM Article-Kings Traded Away The Wrong Star

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Kings Traded Away The Wrong Star
Authored by Kostas Bolos - 5th May, 2005 - 12:25 am

For some reason, there are a handful of players in the NBA who no matter how successful they are just don’t receive the respect they deserve.

One of those players would be Philadelphia’s new-found whipping boy Chris Webber.

Here’s a player who single-handedly put Sacramento on the NBA map and helped transform that franchise into a perennial Western Conference power, yet was deemed expendable earlier this season with the Kings likely on their last legs as far as serious title aspirations are concerned.

Upon dealing Webber to the Sixers last February in what was considered one of the trade deadline’s biggest shockers, Kings general manager Geoff Petrie felt Webber’s departure would actually improve his team’s fortunes. With an apparent power play at hand between Webber and Peja Stojakovic, it was clear Petrie was looking to unload Webber and build the team around Stojakovic.

Biggest mistake Petrie could have made.

While Webber surely has some knocks against him – he’s an aging superstar with a bad wheel and huge contract - there are not many big men in the league who are viable triple-double threats on any given night. And though Webber has had to reinvent his game since returning from major knee surgery last season, he nevertheless was having an outstanding year statistically before he was dealt.

Granted, with Sacramento not as deep as they have been in recent years, Petrie was able to add some quality depth for Webber in the form of Kenny Thomas, Brian Skinner and Corliss Williamson, but in the end he gave up his one truly go-to player in Webber.

If Stojakovic has proven anything in his career, it’s that he can stroke silky-smooth jump shots during the regular season – when the games mean very little – but choke in crunch time when his team needs him the most. Stojakovic’s playoff disappearing act continued in the opening round versus Seattle.

The biggest playoff disappointment thus far has to be Sacramento’s quick first-round exit at the hands of the Sonics – the first time the Kings have failed to advance past the opening round since 2000. And Stojakovic’s poor play - on both ends of the floor - was a major reason why the Kings’ playoff journey lasted a grand total of five games.

Stojakovic, despite his 38-point performance in the series finale Tuesday night (he did miss his first six attempts in the fourth quarter, however), was inconsistent throughout the series (including 3-10 and 3-11 shooting efforts in Game Two and Three respectively), and when Peja isn’t stroking jump shots, he isn’t contributing in a whole lot of other areas, particularly on the defensive end.

The Peja apologists – and there are a lot of you out there – will point to an injured groin as a primary reason for his inconsistent effort versus Seattle, but Stojakovic has been a playoff disappointment the last two seasons as well.

Long-term, Webber would have been a liability for the Kings. But at the same time, Petrie gambled and lost by figuring his team could make a legitimate run this season without their All-Star power forward. With Sacramento’s title window all but closed, Petrie would have been well-served to take his chances by keeping Webber around and seeing if that nucleus had one last run in them.

But hey, at least Peja appears content on staying in Sactown for the foreseeable future…
 
quote taken from article"Long-term, Webber would have been a liability for the Kings. But at the same time, Petrie gambled and lost by figuring his team could make a legitimate run this season without their All-Star power forward. With Sacramento’s title window all but closed, Petrie would have been well-served to take his chances by keeping Webber around and seeing if that nucleus had one last run in them."-kostas bolos.

what would make someone think he thought his team could make a legitimate run this season. wasnt it obvious he was getting rid of a liability<<<sorry chris. this was probably the last year they could have dumped his contract and gotten anything from it, and i believe it was done at the right time.
 
Disagree about the defense too, but think its a common error -- basically unless you watch Peja all the time you're not likely to notice what he does well on defense (spacing, staying in front of his man). A casual observer is much more likely to notice more spectacular hustle type plays, and of course that's not Peja's strong suit.
 
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I thought it was a pretty lame article and I don't think we had one more run left. 2004 was the "last run" with the team. It's better to just let the past be the past and try to move on than to drag it out with a "one last run" thing that turns into two "last runs".
 
The problem with Peja's defense is the same problem with the rest of his game. Consistency. There are times when he is focused and intent on defense, driving to the basket, and rebounding but it is always fleeting. This is one of the reasons why there is such a disparity in Kings fan's opinions regarding Peja. One fan sees the Peja that goes 9-12 and scores 30 while the other recalls him being shut down in some of the most crucial games.
 
I thought it was a pretty lame article and I don't think we had one more run left. 2004 was the "last run" with the team. It's better to just let the past be the past and try to move on than to drag it out with a "one last run" thing that turns into two "last runs".
I disagree. I think if you go into the season with the mentalty of 'one last run' which we did this year, you let them have it. If management thinks the team doesn't have one last run in them, they should have done something over the summer, last summer, in your opinion, obviously.
 
Well, you don't have to make all your major moves in the offseason, especially when one of your stars is requesting a trade and another has a knee that could go either way. There is always the option to change plans, teams do it every year. That's why the trade deadline is just past midseason. If nothing presents itself over the summer, you don't just give up and let the whole season ride out before you go back to what you had in mind before the season started.
 
Also, I'm not sold on this season having been meant as the last run. The players, of course, felt like they could still contend but that's what players do. The vibe I got was that it'd be a year of transition where Petrie would have to judge who was staying, who was going and what kind of holes we'd be filling in the coming years.
 
If nothing presents itself over the summer, you don't just give up and let the whole season ride out before you go back to what you had in mind before the season started.

So, you think a first round exit is what they had in mind when the season started?
 
I think if you go into the season with the mentality of 'one last run' which we did this year, you let them have it. If management thinks the team doesn't have one last run in them, they should have done something over the summer, last summer, in your opinion, obviously.

Exactly.

Well, you don't have to make all your major moves in the offseason, especially when one of your stars is requesting a trade and another has a knee that could go either way. There is always the option to change plans, teams do it every year. That's why the trade deadline is just past midseason. If nothing presents itself over the summer, you don't just give up and let the whole season ride out before you go back to what you had in mind before the season started.

Teams do it every year.

This makes all the sense in the world, if we weren't talking about GM Petrie. Obviously sensitive to the fact that team chemistry can be disrupted with any big in-season moves and having confidence historically in what he does in the off-season, Geoff has not really done major in-season trades. No history. And as KG said, it was obvious that based on the roster we started the season with, the management philosophy was to give this core group 'one last run'.

So what does that tell you? The decisionmaking on at least one of the two trades came from a higher power. It's too counter-Petrie to suggest otherwise.

Kind of ironic, now that we see the outcome of all this for this post-season and contrast that to last post-season. A guy returns last year and gets criticized for messing up the team chemistry. The same guy leaves less than a year later, and it clearly messes up the team chemistry.

The Webb giveth and the Webb taketh away.
 
Good point about the 'higher power' (and we aren't talkng God here, merely the guys controlling the check books) When is the last time Petrie ever made a mid-season trade? Not his style, at all.
 
Petrie made the midseason trade because IMO Philly was the first and only team to agree to take Webb and after attempting to get rid of him for more than a year he had to jump on the opportunity or the franchise ran the risk of being weighted down by his salary for the foreseeable future. Before Webb's deal is done in three years I believe that Philly will try to unload him just as the Kings did.
 
If the sixers were still in the playoffs and it was attributable to Webber I would take this article seriously.

Webber was awesome but he just wasn't happening this season. Sure he got big numbers but he was also taking lots of shots which could have been better taken by others to generate those numbers.

I recall Webber pulling numerous "run and chucks" this season. They were the exact sort of poor shots that people criticize Mobley for.
 
Diabeticwonder said:
Petrie made the midseason trade because IMO Philly was the first and only team to agree to take Webb and after attempting to get rid of him for more than a year he had to jump on the opportunity or the franchise ran the risk of being weighted down by his salary for the foreseeable future. Before Webb's deal is done in three years I believe that Philly will try to unload him just as the Kings did.

There is no doubt the impetous for the move was dumping Webb's salary. Philly decided he was worth the risk after watching him put up multiple triple doubles, adapt his game to still be effective even after the surgery, etc. If they decided this, who is to say that other teams might not also have decided he was worth the risk over this summer? He remained relatively healthy (the one injury he suffered in Philly having nothing to do with the surgically repaired knee) over the course of the season. If he had stayed here and continued to put up the numbers he was putting up who is to say we couldn't have gotten more for him? Are you trying to tell me that, when you heard of the trade, you thought we got equal value? Or just pieces easier to move? Because the pieces easier to move part of the equation has yet to be seen. That really hinges on who we can get for those pieces, as it is obvious now that, as we are currently contructed, we are further removed from the ultimate goal.
 
did this guy even watch the first round????

rashard lewis was a non factor, and who was gaurding him??? oh that's right.... PEJA! it was ray allen and the suddenly shaq like jerome james who killed the kings.
 
Webber was awesome but he just wasn't happening this season. Sure he got big numbers but he was also taking lots of shots which could have been better taken by others to generate those numbers.

Those shots WERE taken by others in this post season, were they not? Yet, here we sit, watching Seattle, Pheonix, Dallas and San Antonio play.
 
Evenstar said:
did this guy even watch the first round????

rashard lewis was a non factor, and who was gaurding him??? oh that's right.... PEJA! it was ray allen and the suddenly shaq like jerome james who killed the kings.

I agree that he was NOT accurate in his portrayel of Peja's defense. He was probably our most solid, consistent defender. Of course, that is a large part of our problem. We definitely need some more defensive minded players.
 
Kingsgurl said:
Those shots WERE taken by others in this post season, were they not? Yet, here we sit, watching Seattle, Pheonix, Dallas and San Antonio play.

Miller? Recovering from his broken leg with an almost brand new team?

Skinner? With his jammed thumbs that never fully recovered?

Bobby Jackson? Who didn't get his game back together in time to make an impact?

I won't go on.

I'm sorry, but watching the Mavs-Suns and Sonics-Spurs games its clear to me that the reason we're not in the second round is because we didn't deserve to be there. The Sonics appear to me the weakest of the 4 and we couldn't even beat them twice.

With a Miller-Bibby-Peja, a couple of good trades and a little less bad luck we'll be competitive next year.
 
I'm sorry, but watching the Mavs-Suns and Sonics-Spurs games its clear to me that the reason we're not in the second round is because we didn't deserve to be there. The Sonics appear to me the weakest of the 4 and we couldn't even beat them twice.

I fully agree.

With a Miller-Bibby-Peja, a couple of good trades and a little less bad luck we'll be competitive next year.

Well, the last one about the luck I'm not going to bank on, doesn't seem to be our lot, does it? A couple good trades, I'm down for that. Think the real GOOD trades, the ones that MIGHT propel us back into contender status might be a tad more costly than you are invisioning.
 
Kingsgurl said:
.. the real GOOD trades, the ones that MIGHT propel us back into contender status might be a tad more costly than you are invisioning.

Nah, I'm willing to spend every last penny of the Maloof fortune in order to see the Kings suceed.:p
 
Kingsgurl is on fire, not to mention she's right. It's going to take more than Bibby-Peja-Miller and some decent trades, we need someone who can lead this team. We are going to need a really big trade to get back to even where we were at the start of the season. One thing we learned is that Mike and Peja can't carry the load by themselves. If we were competitive at all against Seattle I would have had some hope that they could, but we got destroyed at both ends of the court and even worse we lacked heart and effort. No matter what you want to say about past Kings teams playoff performances, they never went easy. It's taken 7 games to eliminate us every year. This year we were lucky to win one game(in the 1st round!!), we had no one to lead us, can't you guys see that?
 
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this guy missed the point. Even with Webber, this current squad wasn't championship material this season (or haven't you been watching what the Spurs are doing this postseason?), and dealing him away means this team has more liquidity to retool than it would have with an ever increasing Webber contract around their neck.
 
PixelPusher said:
this guy missed the point. Even with Webber, this current squad wasn't championship material this season (or haven't you been watching what the Spurs are doing this postseason?), and dealing him away means this team has more liquidity to retool than it would have with an ever increasing Webber contract around their neck.

I agree. However, there are some people who seem to think the possibilty of squeaking by the Sonics with Webber to get eliminated by the Spurs is more noble.
 
I honestly feel that the Kings management, (GP and The Maloofs) would jump on ANY deal to unload CWebb so long as it would give them flexibility in the near future. After "The Injury" and Webber's return, it became clear that the longer he hung around, the more of an albatross he was going to become. "One more run" or not, they received a trade proposal that, with the future in mind, they pulled the trigger on. Now it's time to start the re-loading the roster. It was SO huge to be rid of CWebb's contract. Sorry, I loved him like all king's fans but it is what it is. In Petrie I Trust.
 
G_M said:
I agree. However, there are some people who seem to think the possibilty of squeaking by the Sonics with Webber to get eliminated by the Spurs is more noble.

No, losing sucks. No two ways about it, but yes, it is better to lose further into the play offs than it is to eke out one measly win in the first round, looking out-classed for much of the series. I've seen really bad, and thankfully, we are far from those days still, but right now we are pretty run of the mill. Like I said before, moving Web was only the first step, definitely a step backward as far as this season was concerned.
When I say the moves might be more costly than you are thinking, I am not referring to salary. I'm referring to actually having to give up something good to get something better in return.
 
Now it's time to start the re-loading the roster

So, now who do we get?

It was SO huge to be rid of CWebb's contract

Technically, we aren't rid of it YET. Right now the Kings are on the hook for 3 million dollars MORE than pre-trade. Can we parlay those smaller contracts back into a 'big time' type player? Because we sure could use one.;)
 
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