I've liked this guy since college and really am starting to be impressed whenever he gets any minutes. He's like an actually skilled, fluent, version of Shelden Williams. He plays hard and seems like a good teammate. I thought he played really well vs the Clips and I'd like to see him get some minutes these last 3 games. He's a pretty good defender(when he came in in the second half Skinner stopped ripping us apart) and he plays hard. We need players like him. He reminds me some of Leon Powe from Boston. I know that's not what you'd expect out of the 9th pick, but we didn't choose him there, stupid GSW did. He can still be a contributor for us as a 3rd or 4th big, especially if we don't get Griffin. We only have 8 players under contract for next year anyway.
Re-sign Ike Diogu!
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theclash4u5
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If we don't get Griffin, I wouldn't mind him as a big that gets 10-15 mins per game.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Oh lord.
Diogu is a scrub. You can't waste your capspace on him. I'm not sure he will even be in the league next year -- people don't typically throw guaranteed contracts at undersized PFs who've bounced through 4 teams in 3 years. Might get some camp invites, and if we wanted to do that, fine. Otherwise, I'm afraid a garbagetime stint playing for the worst team in the league against the second worst team in the league doesn't have me sold.
Diogu is a scrub. You can't waste your capspace on him. I'm not sure he will even be in the league next year -- people don't typically throw guaranteed contracts at undersized PFs who've bounced through 4 teams in 3 years. Might get some camp invites, and if we wanted to do that, fine. Otherwise, I'm afraid a garbagetime stint playing for the worst team in the league against the second worst team in the league doesn't have me sold.
Exactly.
Well, let us wish to sign up anyone who shows sign of mediocrity. We're not building a championship team anyways.
ParniValjak
All-Star
Go after Marcin Gortat!
Kings Faithful
Starter
Actually I believe Ike is a talented ball player, he just hasn't been in a situation where he can show full potential. Everytime ive seen him this year (not much, allbeit) he's shown alot of effort. Still, i think our money can be better used on some more important pieces down the road. I do hope Ike finds a place where he can at least be a role player with decent minutes...unfortunately if he can't be that on the Kings I don't know where he can.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Well, your last line summed it up. Thats all you need to know about Diogu. He's a pretty good rebounder and not a bad defender. He has no post game at all and no touch around the basket. I agree with Bricky. The guy is a scrub. If it was all about effort there would be a lot of guys playing in the NBA right now instead of Europe or the DL, or not at all.
He's one of those guys, like Sheldon, whose limitations were disquised by the system he played in. Too many times a GM will see a sucessful team ( aka Duke, NC, UCLA ) and assume that because the team was good, then the player must also be good. They make the same mistake in reverse, missing out on a good player on a bad team, or a second tier team.
Resigning Diogu would be a serious waste of money, and cap space.
HighTopKicks
Bench
I think Calvin Booth has a better chance of resigning a Vet Minimum contract. There isn't a center that we might take in the draft. And, we'll probably go for a PF & PG in the 1st round. And, we have Noc, Greene, & K9 who can play PF, so we'll need a backup center besides JT.
I didn't check the CBA FQ site, but I do believe that part of Booths contract is covered by the league as part of the CBA. So, the Kings actual cost would be minimal, and Booth hasn't played badly when called to sub Hawes. We have too many options at PF to pay Ike.
Only McCant's has a chance besides Booth, and that's minimal also, unless they go PG in the 2nd round. But, their a few players that are combo PG/SG's that will be available in the 2nd. And, McCant's really is a one position player even tho he plays that position well.
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sactownfan
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No Way!
bajaden
Hall of Famer
The other problem with taking time to consider any of these players, is that they all come with a cap hold until we relinquish our rights to them. McCants has a hold of almost 8 mil. If were going to dabble in the freeagent market, then we have to relinquish the rights to all of them in order to have any cap space.
Booth would be the only one we could retain and still have some breathing room to negotiate. I beleive his hold is around 1.5 mil.
Arby's Roast Beef
Starter
Look, I used to like Diogu watching him from afar--like many initially I had reservations about how his game would translate coming out of the draft, but I saw several games with the Warriors where he had absolute monster games--that 13-15 shooting game against Detroit three years ago for starters--and he's also shown an ability to get to the line as well. So I thought I had seen enough potential (albeit from three years ago) where if he really put his mind to it, he could become a solid scorer and rebounder--I mean, his PER in all four years in the league were around 15 despite limited playing time, so it's hard to attribute that to a fluke anymore. Also, he's also averaged around 20-10 per 48 minutes during the last three seasons as well. And he hits free throws. So I wouldn't really classify him as your typical scrub--he's only 25, he has shown more than just something in the league, and perhaps all he may need is just playing time.
And then you get to the flipside of the equation--end of the day you have to question his attitude and conditioning, because if he was as talented as the stats paint it, then he wouldn't be on his fourth team in three years. I think it's more the latter, but you have to wonder whether the stigma of being an undersized relatively unathletic groundbound PF who plays little defense is also holding him down. By the way, that Leon Powe comparison is wholly inaccurate--Leon Powe is extremely well chiseled and has more athleticism than it would seem, and can really get up there for putbacks. Diogu will just box out, stay on the floor and lowrim the shot. I mean, you can just see it--Powe's the master of offensive efficiency, piling up many games where he's hitting 6-9 or 4-6, etc from the floor, while Diogu really struggles with bigger, more athletic defenders. In fact the athleticism may be holding him down--if he was 6'8" and as athletic as Powe he may have gotten some playing time, but teams just shy away from unathletic undersized bigs, regardless of production.
I think he's actually quite talented, but I'm not sure we really need him; for starters, we're developing Hawes and Thompson at C and PF, so he'll probably never be a starter here unless something drastic happens. Also, do we really need another undersized, unathletic PF who plays no D? We have been plagued with a plethora of these prototypes the past several years, and it's getting to the point of annoyance. So while I think he has offensive talent at the very least, I think he's best suited for another team when all is said and done
And then you get to the flipside of the equation--end of the day you have to question his attitude and conditioning, because if he was as talented as the stats paint it, then he wouldn't be on his fourth team in three years. I think it's more the latter, but you have to wonder whether the stigma of being an undersized relatively unathletic groundbound PF who plays little defense is also holding him down. By the way, that Leon Powe comparison is wholly inaccurate--Leon Powe is extremely well chiseled and has more athleticism than it would seem, and can really get up there for putbacks. Diogu will just box out, stay on the floor and lowrim the shot. I mean, you can just see it--Powe's the master of offensive efficiency, piling up many games where he's hitting 6-9 or 4-6, etc from the floor, while Diogu really struggles with bigger, more athletic defenders. In fact the athleticism may be holding him down--if he was 6'8" and as athletic as Powe he may have gotten some playing time, but teams just shy away from unathletic undersized bigs, regardless of production.
I think he's actually quite talented, but I'm not sure we really need him; for starters, we're developing Hawes and Thompson at C and PF, so he'll probably never be a starter here unless something drastic happens. Also, do we really need another undersized, unathletic PF who plays no D? We have been plagued with a plethora of these prototypes the past several years, and it's getting to the point of annoyance. So while I think he has offensive talent at the very least, I think he's best suited for another team when all is said and done
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bajaden
Hall of Famer
When a player has been in the league for four years, you have to ask yourself a question. How much has he improved since day one. When you look at the improvement in Thompson from the beginning of this year to now, and the improvement in Hawes from last year till now, and the improvement of Martin from day one, how does Diogu compare. In my opinion, he doesn't. That either means he doesn't have the capability, or that he simply isn't putting in the time to improve.
Either way, I don't want him on my team.
We wouldn't need a cap hold for Booth - even if we bring him back we'll only give him the vet minimum, which is an exception of its own anyhow. I can't imagine that we'd want to make a nearly $4M qualifying offer to Diogu, either, even if we want to keep him, so we'll probably renounce his cap hold as a matter of course and give him an LLE if we decide to bring him back. Jackson would have a large cap hold and is another player that's going to be getting peanuts if we bring him back, so I don't see why we wouldn't renounce his cap hold too.
That leaves McCants. It looks like we'll have the money to either give McCants a qualifying offer, or make a charge at Hedo, but not both. I don't think there's any reason that we couldn't have initial discussions with Hedo and then, if he's willing to sign for what we've got left in cap room, just renounce McCants to get his hold out of the way -- keeping McCants' rights as a Plan B until we know what Hedo's thinking is.
(Oops - this isn't the Hedo thread! Oh well. Still holds)
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HighTopKicks
Bench
Jackson has crashed an burned this season, being over used by Natt and shooting badly. With 12 roster spots already guarenteed (including the draft choices & a backup center), I can't see GP wasting a spot on BJax. He'd put it to better use on someone from the D-league or an undrafted FA and at a lower price. Plus if we get the #1, I can see the Kings going PG / PG with their next 2 picks to improve their chances of getting a potential starter.
Rather than try to pick up a upper tier 09 FA, I'd rather see the Kings save their cap space and wait until the 09 trade deadline. Then they could have cap space, an expiring contract (K9's), and trade fillers, to work a deal for a 2010 FA were the choices should be better. Plus they'll have a half year to evaluate their needs and have an idea where they'll pick in the 2010 draft. It would be bad if we spend all our cap space over the next 3 years signing a player, only to find out that we got a better player in the draft and don't need the FA.
I can easily see Bobby Jackson signed for the veteran's minimum. He brings a lot of intangibles to the game and is very well liked. When we're working with a lot of young players you could do a lot worse than to have someone like Bobby in the locker room to help keep them going in the right direction.
And just so you know? Second round draft picks aren't guaranteed so that isn't necessarily a locked roster spot unless we want it to be.
And just so you know? Second round draft picks aren't guaranteed so that isn't necessarily a locked roster spot unless we want it to be.
Kevin's Good Feet
G-League
I used to wonder why Diogu never seemed to get a fair shot on any team he's been on. Until last Sunday against the Warriors. During warm-ups he spent the whole time chucking up threes in the corner. And not in the good way, in the "I'm going to goof off and launch step back and high-arching fadeaway jumpers" way. He did the same exact thing at half-time, I guess figuring he'd never see the floor. Well, surprise surprise Natt has him come into the game because Hawes was poked in the eye and Thompson in foul trouble. Diogu proceeds to look terrible, make a couple of dumb plays, and quickly gets yanked.
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
I like Diogu too. He brings that banger type player off the bench that we need! and his wing span makes up for his lack off height. I also agree that if we dont get Griffin we should try and re-tain him for cheap.
Showtime
Starter
Ike has actually produced on the court. He was causing all kinds of problems for the Spurs when he was working on the block, unlike Sheldon who had no offensive game. Ike would be a nice reserve IMO.
HighTopKicks
Bench
Bobby's shooting 39% from the field and 29% from the three. Since Salmons left Bobby has taken over the role of dribbling out the clock from beyond the 3pt line then chucking up a contested shot or passing it to someone else who's forced to chuck up a shot to beat the buzzer.
Beno is going to be here, we're going to draft at least one PG, Garcia is our backup, so why do we need BJax?
His leadership didn't help us on the floor or in the parking lot this year, so why should next year be any better.
The 2nd rounders contract isn't guaranteed but as the 31st pick in the draft by GP, he's bound to contribute to the team. So, he's almost guaranteed a roster spot. So, again, with 8 contracts, 3 draft choices , the need for a backup center, that's 12 roster spots. GP usually keeps one spot open, so your looking at 2 or possibly 3 spots to fill. My guess is Jackson doesn't get one of them. You see it differently, so I guess we'll just have to disagree.
SkinnerBox
Bench
I might be on board with the sign Diogu thing with the way he is playing right now. Great presence inside. Could be part of the bench of the future.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Indeed, all he has to do is continue playing like Wilt Chamberlain and equal his entire career production in one night and we are set for the future and can just trade jason away for a PG.
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SkinnerBox
Bench
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I don't think you are being ambitious enoguh. The guy has put up 14pts 8rebs in 18 minutes. Double that, and if he puts up 28pts 16rebs a game, I am thinking starter + probable first team all nba. Who knew the rebuild would be so easy?
kingsnation
All-Star
People I really hope you aren't getting caught in this Ike-craziness.
Remember when Beno was playing for a contract? And Beno played well for a whole year.
Ike has played well for ONE game. ONE. And he wants that contract bad. Of course he is playing like a monster.
Remember when Beno was playing for a contract? And Beno played well for a whole year.
Ike has played well for ONE game. ONE. And he wants that contract bad. Of course he is playing like a monster.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
yes, precisely because he has been around and we have some idea fo what he is in the NBA. Getting caught up in an utterly ridiculous single game is just a sure path to making a mistake. What we saw out there tongiht was a HOFer. And if this was game 1 of his NBA career, then hey let's all get exctied about our new HOFer. But its game 245 of his NBA career, for his 4th team, and 4th or 5th coach, and all of a sudden...not buying it.
Kings Faithful
Starter
No one is saying give Ike MLE.... if he wants a 2-3 mil contract i think we should give it to him...we need some one to fill. Beno was a mistake because we gave him a long MLE contract. I wouldn't have a problem with Beno's contract if it was a short 2-3 mil one.
Showtime
Starter
He was drafted by who? GS. Are you seriously saying that a low post player is going to get a legit shot with Nelly? No way. And the only reason why Biedrins is so good with that team is because all he does is rebound and put back shots. He's their Tyson Chandler. But a player like Diogu who is effective when posting up doesn't have a place on a Nelly team.
Where did he go next? Indy, where he was playing behind Jermaine O'neal and Al Harrington. Next stop? Portland, playing behind Aldridge. He's never been on a team that he was able to play a key role on.
I'm not saying break the bank on this guy (like the Beno situation last year), but why write him off when he's been on teams that either don't play post guys, or have a lot of talent in front of him?
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