Race to the Bottom thread
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Tank to the bottom-3 in a bad draft to avoid winning the lottery...
Depending on how many slots they draft, you'd still be guaranteed pick #5 if you had the worst record wouldn't you? So it needs to be second worst. Or are they lottery drawing all 14 picks now? Twitter/X is a terrible way to digest news because I have no idea at this point what is actually in this proposal and what is only rumored to be.
They're drawing all 16 slots now, but the three worst teams are floored at #12.
I broke it down here: https://community.kingsfans.com/threads/race-to-the-bottom-thread.103100/page-61#post-1939340
So can someone explain to me so I don't have to look it up:
This is final, at least for the next 3 years?
and B) (more importantly) - Silver decided this unilaterally on his own without a league ownership vote?
This is final, at least for the next 3 years?
and B) (more importantly) - Silver decided this unilaterally on his own without a league ownership vote?
It still has to be approved by league owners (vote on May 28th) but it sounds like it's all but a done deal. There might still be some tweaks before it's all over for all we know.
It sounds like the board of governors, competition committee, and all 30 GMs were in on creating this, but I have no idea how much input they did or did not have.
sactowndog
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Yep it’s going to make the worst teams worse with teams trying to win at the bottom so your worst teams will suck forever and teams opting to lose in the playin to get the chance at a generational player.
It hard to describe how absolutely stupid Silver is.
The funny thing is they probably just tanked the value of their expansion plans by a couple Billion because I don’t know how an expansion team stays out of the bottom 3.
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TaxMan
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My head hurts. Unless there is an equal weighted lottery for everyone in the league, any of this will continue to incentivize some level of benefit for a "tank". Percentages are percentages. I would have kept things relatively simple, but with an additional element that penalizes clear tanking situations.
1. Flatten odds a little bit more
2. Give some odds to play-in teams (7 to 10 seeds). I wouldn't worry about teams tanking the play-in games... there is still a pretty big financial benefit for teams to be in the actual playoffs (and potential for pretty serious fan backlash.) I think that generally keeps owners in check with tanking at that level.
3. Increase the "lottery" slots from 4 to maybe 5 or 6.
4. No top 3 pick more than 2 out of 3 years. "winning" the lottery in year 3 after top 3 the prior two years puts them into the 4th slot.
5. Institute a committee to investigate tanking allegations and establish a multi-layered disciplinary system. Minor infractions generate owner fines. Clear evidence of tanking agreed by the committee moves the team into lower draft spots, with egregious infractions moving a team to the end of the first round.
1. Flatten odds a little bit more
2. Give some odds to play-in teams (7 to 10 seeds). I wouldn't worry about teams tanking the play-in games... there is still a pretty big financial benefit for teams to be in the actual playoffs (and potential for pretty serious fan backlash.) I think that generally keeps owners in check with tanking at that level.
3. Increase the "lottery" slots from 4 to maybe 5 or 6.
4. No top 3 pick more than 2 out of 3 years. "winning" the lottery in year 3 after top 3 the prior two years puts them into the 4th slot.
5. Institute a committee to investigate tanking allegations and establish a multi-layered disciplinary system. Minor infractions generate owner fines. Clear evidence of tanking agreed by the committee moves the team into lower draft spots, with egregious infractions moving a team to the end of the first round.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Bleh. Although, why wasn't this around when the Kings were purgatory bad? lol.
gunks
Hall of Famer
Our owner is still Vivek. We're gonna be purgatory bad before we're good.
Honestly these new odds might help us out with how delulu our owner is.
We were tanked by injuries this season, not any kind of forethought or plan.
It's gonna be back to wash up vets and 30-38 wins per season soon enough!
To be clear... I was reacting to the actual proposal (vomit inducing) not your summary of it, which was very much appreciated! I figure you would have deduced that, but just in case.
Yeah, no worries, it was clear! I figure I gotta say something at least somewhat egregious to get vomit sign from a fellow mod and summarizing the lottery proposal definitely doesn't rise to that level!
Dongoodboy
Bench
Are we pretending the Kings 1 PO in 20 years and because of the lottery system? I f you take kings an an outlier, I can see why most GMs and league agree to such pattern. It will change the whole landscape. Now are there any system to save the Kings? I doubt that as long as Vivek is in charge
I think the general consensus is this franchise needs the best possible lottery odds so we can run into some idiot proof no brainer picks that turn the franchise around. Cooper Flagg last year as an example. Even the Kings wouldn't have been inept enough to pass on him.
sactowndog
Hall of Famer
Or Wemby is another.
sactowndog
Hall of Famer
Will you still say that if either or both are back in the finals? Or will you just admit both orgs are smarter than us?
Telemachus
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I disagree. Blowing game at the end of the season is very different than blowing 20-30 games throughout the season. I'm not saying teams would've won that many, but that they makes moves to guarantee they have no chance of winning by accident. I find it disgusting.
Joshyjosh31
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Colts blew a whole season for luck the commish didn’t read Twitter and make drastic changes
For about 3 years as reported.... and then we'll see how much pull those small-market owners actually have relative to their big-market peers when it comes time to re-up this monstrosity or draw up something better (or even worse, more likely).
Insomniacal Fan
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It closes the door on small market teams reaching the post-season.
It doesn't necessarily mean small market teams get destroyed, as it seems that many people here are ambivalent to the Kings' competitiveness, and simply enjoy the opportunity to go see a Kings game for a mediocre night on the town.
Personally, I think it's a gut punch. I wasn't a fan of the Kings as a kid, simply because it seemed like the dynamics of the NBA made it impossible for a Sacramento based team to win. Then when the 2002 era teams proved that assumption wrong, that's when I started to follow the team, even through the dark ages of the Kenny Thomas era.
I don't want to root for the Washington Generals.
kingsboi
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you can say just about every organization except maybe the Wizards are smarter but is that really the point here?
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
53 man roster vs 15 man
sactowndog
Hall of Famer
Getting to the finals. Yeah that is the point
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
realistic vs illusion
Löwenherz
Starter
Yikes. The NBA would be better off with a relegation system.
Bottom 4 teams get sent to the NCAA. Final Four Teams join the NBA and earn the top 4 picks.
Honestly, that's only slightly more stupid than what the NBA actually came up with.
And certainly more fun.
sactowndog
Hall of Famer
No it should always be the point or why are you even in the league???
serbiangoat
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It would be great is the bottom 2 teams get relegated to the Gleague and the 2 top teams in the G League go to the NBA , it would make things way more interesting. It could make the Gleague into a viable league instead of the joke it is and try get it on par with Euroleague with maybe lots of players coming back to play in the US.
This would make the Gleague a viable watchable product instead of all this other crap like NBA europe and play-ins, in season cups. The incentive to tank will disappear when your getting the 30th pick in the Gleague rather than the first in the NBA.
