PRESEASON Grades v. Lakers 10/28

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Bricklayer

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Our first game in the shiny new gold jammies. If your girlfriend has questionable taste, make a great lingerie gift for her this Christmas:

Peja ( C+ ) -- hit a couple early, and then started missing everything. Finally hit another three in the late 3rd. Kept missing jumpers into the early 4th, but did come up with an offensive rebound and put back and followed with a jumper before exiting. And the rebounding was the best part of Peja's game tonight. Not that you would confuse him with Dennis Rodman off this effort, but he was in there playing the game. Missed nearly everything, but considerably made up for it by doing the things he normally doesn't. Now if we could just get all of it at once we'd have something. Almost went with a B- here despite the shooting woes, but 5-17 is a little too extreme to ignore. Still, I might rather have this game than a 20pt 2reb effort on 50% shooting. Or at least the possibility of this game.
Reef ( B+ ) -- got off to a solid start with a couple of quick moves inside, then got quiet. Made a few good passes again. Returned in the third and finally began to impose himself a little and be an impact player with his game inside. Good to see him show us what he can do. Not dominant, or close to it. But one of the longest runs of strong play he's delivered this preseason. Interior defense was not there again.
Miller ( A- ) -- For most of the first three quarters was quiet -- made a nice pass or two, but otherwise wasn't making much noise. Did grab an offensive board over the back of Smush Parker (Lakers PG) to get a three point play at the end of the half. But in the 4th quarter in particular he was left in down the stretch to stabilize our benchers, and he did a very nice job of it. Statistically very efficient. Downside would be the defense again. Had moments of good individual defense, but not effective again as a help defender. I'm not sure I was really as happy with Brad's game, and in particular the defense, as the grade indicates. But when you put up 15pts on 5-6 shooting, add 10 rebs, 6ast with 0TO, hard to avoid some sort of A.
Wells ( B ) -- competed well against Kobe all night. Pretty good early defense, and just as importantly drew a series of early fouls on him. Nice to have somebody who can face Kobe and cause him problems as he causes problems for you. Free throw stroke was way off, and in general a scrappy effort. Never got into any real rhythm but battled all game.
Bibby ( A- ) -- shot still started off flat, but overall he looked much more involved and then all a sudden, voila!, he magically lost all of his supposed extra upper body bulk or whatever, and the shot was back. Far from a perfect game, and had his adventures. Threw away a behind the back pass ona 2 on 1 ala JWill. Began to crack under the Lakers traps and pressure in the third and then got chippy after a couple of non calls and "inadvertently" hit Sasha Vujacic (Lakers PG) in the throat. Started a sequence where Mike, obviously pissed, came back on the next play and impressively went up and tried to pack 6'11" Kwame Brown's dunk attempt. Played angry after that, but active and effective if forcing. By far the best game of his preseason. Not perfect. But he was back to being Mike.
Skinner ( B- ) -- came in early as the 6th man to help the interior defense. Good sign in my mind for him to be the first guy off the bench. Immediately altered a handful of shots inside around the rim. Of course trying on defense has its hazards: Did get beat by Kwame impressively with quickness, and Kobe posterized him on a dunk. But on whole looked quick and strong in there in the first stint. In the second half really didn't do much of anything and ended up watching Brad play down the stretch in his stead. Good strong start, quiet finish.
Garcia ( C+ ) -- got off to an utterly disastrous start with an amazing series of ballhandling miscues early trying to split double teams and work against pressure. Think he had 5 TOs in his first 5 minutes, and I am going to go out on a limb and say he would have obviously been pulled if this were a regular season game. But for the second or third time this preseason, partially redeemed himself (and I've used that phrase before with Cisco) with his play in the 4th when it really became the Kevin and Cisco show again. Hit some shots, mercifully quit handling the ball, helped on the glass, and even tried to D Kobe (with mixed results). Hit a corner three with 10 seconds to go to bring us within 1. Only preseason, but perhaps showing clutch shooting potential. Overall grade is weighed down by the F- first half, but generally left a good impression with his late game play.
Hart ( C- ) -- maybe a little rusty, but in his first stint wasn't nearly as effective as the last time we had seen him before the injury. Lakers went to full court traps against him, and he was taken out of rhythm and along with Cisco struggled to get us into anything. Looked better when he returned for us in the 4th, but still made some questionable decisions and had little impact. First down game from him for us. Hoping it was rust/maybe some lingering effects of the injury.
Martin ( A- ) -- in his first stint didn't look awful, but certainly did not help as we were struggling with the reserves again. Hit one open shot, missed another (a three), missed a drive. Tried to play a little defense, but to no great effect. Shot has straightened out a bit from last year, but still struggling with NBA three point range. But in the 4th things turned around in a big way and Kevin may actually have been the dominant figure in a late run we made at pulling the game out. Finally hit a three, and also drove repeatedly and took some major hits doing so. But kept on attacking and provided a huge hustle boost in the 4th. Box score doesn't reflect it, but really the inspirational leader down the stretch.
Thomas ( D ) -- came in during the 2nd quarter meltdown and was completely invisible on both ends. Not sure he ever touched it on offense as we were completely out of rhythm, did nothing on the other end. Remained absent right through the end of the game. Almost balked at penalizing him with a D because he didn't do much of ANYTHING, good or bad. For a guy who is normally assertive to a fault, it was a curious outing. Lineup said he was on the floor, but you would never have known it. Made one good fullcourt pass to a streaking Martin (I think). Otherwise 0pts 3rebs on 0-1 shooting?

Adleman ( ) -- wonder if these are the starters? Be good if that decision has been made. We played well early. Things really fell apart when we went to the bench in the second quarter. Disorganized and completely rattled by the Lakers' pressure. After the 2nd quarter bench meltdown, we tried to return the starters to get control again, were able to make up a few points but weren't able to get back into rhythm before half. You know things are going bad when you are getting lit up up Devean George. Second half was some good, some bad, but entertaining and competitive all the way. Some good signs in this one. Not least of all that we played like an actual team out there for long stretches. Also some bad. Notably that our new defensive focus still sees everybody not named Portland dropping 100+ on us in the preseason. Overall though, this was better. Doubt the league is trembling off of this effort, but you could see the potential there for us to beat some people now. Hopefully starting with the Hornets on Tuesday.
 
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Kings still find a way to seamlessly integrate ballhogs like Wells and SAR. That's impressive. We'll see if it continues throughout the season.

You know things are going bad when you are getting lit up up Devean George.
Devean's the next Worthy. Book it.
 
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KA_2 said:
Devean's the next Worthy. Book it.
I'm almost certain that's a joke minus the emoticon, but in case it's not, I must say that comment is shameful to the mere memory of Big Game James in a Laker uniform. Unless George can arrange to play the Kings every night, of course.
 
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...you could see the potential there for us to beat some people now. Hopefully starting with the Hornets on Tuesday.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the grades Brick.

Here's hoping we get off to a flying start. GO KINGS !!
 
#6
Nobody knows how to get under the Kings' skin like Phil & Co. The most important grade of the night is Kings Poise (D)

Phil knows the Kings hate being muscled (past or present). No coincidence our complaining crescendos when facing the Lakers. It starts with Adelman, and you can see in his face irritation whenever facing the enemies. I confess to getting edgier whenever they compete. Duh.

The Lakers are still filthy (F). Anyone catch Kobe's punch to the stomach after Garcia's 3 point attempt with 3:40 left in the game? Let alone, the breakaway flail by Cook or Vujacic's physical domination of Bibby. Yes, big chest and all, Vujacic was all over Bibby and done in only by screens. On offense, his speed left Bibby chasing him all over the court. Game stats or no game stats, when matched against Bibby he was at least a draw.

Peja gets a D. Sorry, but he has become a shooter and nothing else. His involvement in a game is little more than being a horse player.. He doesn't even work hard without the ball these days.

I'm on board with the rest of the grades, but want to add 1 more giant (C-). The Lakers are a mediocre team that will struggle to be .500 this season. The scary thing is, I am almost certain the best we will do against them is split the season series this year. Like nearly every team in the league they are too athletic for us. If we're marginally better we get a (C).

IMO it's the same old story, we need someone 6'11 with a body, and pogo sticks for legs. If Peja, Martin or Garcia (don't need them both) and all three philly guys could have gotten a guy like this -- we should have done it. Is it too late? Skinner is decent, but Miller, Rahim, Thomas, Peja, are going to have balls batted over their heads all season long. Where is Sampson? No minutes?

The early schedule sure doesn't seem easy to me.
 
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I'm wondering if Peja is going to show us improvement over last season, in this, his contract year.

Or if he's complacent in thinking the Maloofs will pay him max no matter what after this year?
 

Bricklayer

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Kings113 said:
George just scored 5 times, and hit 3 FTs. I know he can get on a bit of a run sometimes, but I don't see the big deal.
I know you like to be the relentless optimist, but come on now. If you watched the game you saw Devean George flat out dominating us in the 2nd quarter -- almost singlehandedly ouotscored our whole team (13pts to 16 for the Kings). That should NOT happen.
 
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I am honor-bound to rethink by gloomy initial assessment of Mike Bibby. He gave it hell out there last night. It is clear that the Kings MUST devise some plays to support Mike Bibby more with ball entry and handling. I suspect that this will be done soon by the coaches.

I wish Brad was tougher. One of our big guys should have clocked a few of the Lakers last night, especially that punk Cook who clipped Kevin. I am afraid that some of the Western Conference teams think that it is open-season on the Kings. Maybe the Kings should have kept Massenburgh or Ostertag. (What's with the German names and hitting people?)

How about Kevin Martin? He is like a old Timex watch. "He takes a lickin and keeps on tickin". It is obvious that SOMEBODY needs to back up are young (sic, skinny) warriors with some discrete and well-aimed hardwood-violence.

I wonder how Adelman will set up the squad this year?

Anyone else nervous about the mayor of Las Vegas assuring Kos that Las Vegas will have an NBA team in 2007. A Las Vegas NBA Allstar game in 2006, and an NBA team in 2007? Did anyone notice all the empty seats in Vegas? Where was Jack Nickelson and all the other Hollywood cellphone-lizards? There must have been a high-stakes baccarat game somewhere.

Didn't I see those Palms Hotel "cheerleaders" on the Internet somewhere?

Las Vegas and Los Angeles, what a pair to draw to.
 

Bricklayer

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Bballkingsrock said:
What about the Palms Casino suites? 50,000 dollars a night!! WOW. With a basketball court and everything!
My impression of that is very simple: no matter how much money you have, no matter how stupidly rich you are, that is just a flat out waste of money and you are a shallow moron if you dish it out to stay in a room for a night. Take your $50,000, fly out to New Orleans, and hand it to somebody who just lost everything they ever owned. Unless you are shallow beyond comprehension, you will get more out of it, ans so will they.
 
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Bricklayer said:
My impression of that is very simple: no matter how much money you have, no matter how stupidly rich you are, that is just a flat out waste of money and you are a shallow moron if you dish it out to stay in a room for a night. Take your $50,000, fly out to New Orleans, and hand it to somebody who just lost everything they ever owned. Unless you are shallow beyond comprehension, you will get more out of it, ans so will they.
I think that is about right.
 
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quick dog said:
I am honor-bound to rethink by gloomy initial assessment of Mike Bibby. He gave it hell out there last night. It is clear that the Kings MUST devise some plays to support Mike Bibby more with ball entry and handling. I suspect that this will be done soon by the coaches.

I wish Brad was tougher. One of our big guys should have clocked a few of the Lakers last night, especially that punk Cook who clipped Kevin. I am afraid that some of the Western Conference teams think that it is open-season on the Kings. Maybe the Kings should have kept Massenburgh or Ostertag. (What's with the German names and hitting people?)

How about Kevin Martin? He is like a old Timex watch. "He takes a lickin and keeps on tickin". It is obvious that SOMEBODY needs to back up are young (sic, skinny) warriors with some discrete and well-aimed hardwood-violence.

I wonder how Adelman will set up the squad this year?

Anyone else nervous about the mayor of Las Vegas assuring Kos that Las Vegas will have an NBA team in 2007. A Las Vegas NBA Allstar game in 2006, and an NBA team in 2007? Did anyone notice all the empty seats in Vegas? Where was Jack Nickelson and all the other Hollywood cellphone-lizards? There must have been a high-stakes baccarat game somewhere.

Didn't I see those Palms Hotel "cheerleaders" on the Internet somewhere?

Las Vegas and Los Angeles, what a pair to draw to.
not that im much for retaliation ;), but i thought that was a perfect time to throw ol' Corliss in.
 

HndsmCelt

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Way too kind to Garcia and Hart. Sorry it's time to raise the bar on the grades. through out the game I kept thinking I hope in the regular season RA has the good sense NOT to play Garcia at the 3 when Corless is availalbe. I might up Skiners grade to a full B, if you are going to dock points beceause players get beat by Brown or dunked on by Kobe the entire leage will look bad (I'm not saying Brown is all that and a bag of chips, but the kid is quick) Brad's A- is close but again there were a lot of times when he had the miss match and just passed on the opertunity to take one of the Lakers kids to school.

One more loss that does not worry me too much. Down the streach RA let the kids play and get experience against the Lakers starters and vets. It looks like RA has made the obvious choice to start SAR and I can assume/hope the Kenny will be taking lots of the min at the 3 that have been going to Garcia in preseason. I know there are some Garcia fans on the board that will take exception to this but I have to say that I just don't see the kid as ready for major min. While the bench has been proplematic in the past few games I am encouraged by what the logical 8-9 man roataion could/should look like. Assuming Reef starts that makes Kenny #6 at the 3 and 4, Skinner (#7) has been great and I actually LIKE the idea of him taking big min at the 5, despite a rough showing on his return from injury Hart (#8) has been a tough defender and accpetable play maker and Martin (#9) is much improved and seems ready for time at the 2 bringing in good offense and contenued rebounding, he is no DC on defense but he is quick and stays in front of his man prety darn well.
 
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HndsmCelt

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BigSong said:
not that im much for retaliation ;), but i thought that was a perfect time to throw ol' Corliss in.
I'm not sure I like the idea of depending on Corless to be the enforcer but you are right the Kings need one (Maybe Skiner?) Of course if Corless is up for the job I say go to it. Watching Cook and Bryant get away with hip checks and other blatant fouls is old and I think you are right that when the Kings face REAL tough teams that play the physical game to the point of thugh ball they have to have some answers.
 
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Bricklayer said:
I know you like to be the relentless optimist, but come on now. If you watched the game you saw Devean George flat out dominating us in the 2nd quarter -- almost singlehandedly ouotscored our whole team (13pts to 16 for the Kings). That should NOT happen.
Ha...

Yeah, the 2nd qtr against the 2nd unit. Also our TOs had a big effect on our play in the 2nd qtr.

I just don't think it's (George's game) a big deal. I didn't even remember it till you mentioned it in your first post, then today when I read your post quoted above.
 
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Bricklayer

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Kings113 said:
Yeah, the 2nd qtr against the 2nd unit. Also our TOs had a big effect on our play in the 2nd qtr.
Unfortunately 2nd quarters and 2nd units count in the NBA just as much as 1st quarters and 1st units. And it was the Lakers 2nd unit too -- which should, in theory, be weaker than ours.
 
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Um yeah, but thankfully, it was pre-season (factors). That's why other than a bit after the 2nd qtr was over, I wasn't rattled over it. If that was regular season, vs. any team, I'd have some feelings of disappointment and worry. I don't see the 2nd qtrs having that rotation. Unless Rick uses the formula like he did in late March/April last season a lot this season, which I doubt.
 
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HndsmCelt said:
Way too kind to Garcia and Hart. Sorry it's time to raid the bar on the grades. through out the game I kept thinking I hope in the regular season RA has the good sense NOT to play Garcia at the 3 when Corless is availalbe. I might up Skiners grade to a full B, if you are going to dock points beceause players get beat by Brown or dunked on by Kobe the entire leage will look bad (I'm not saying Brown is all that and a bag of chips, but the kid is quick) Brad's A- is clsoe but again there were a lot of times when he had the miss match and jsut passed on the opertunity to take one of the Lakers kids to school.

One more loss taht does not worry me too much. Down the streach RA let the kids play and get experience against the Lakers starters and vets. It looks like RA has made the obvious choice to start SAR and I can assume/hope the Kenny will be taking lots of the min at the 3 that have been going to Garcia in preseason. I know there are some Garcia fans on the board that will take exception to this but I have to say that I just don't see the kid as ready for major min. While the bench has been proplameatic in the past few games I am encouraged by what the logical 8-9 man roataion could/should look like. Assuming Reef starts that makes Kenny #6 at the 3 and 4, Skinner (#7) has been great and I actually LIKE the idea of him taking big min at the 5, despite a rough showing on his return from injury Hart (#8) has been a tough defender and accpetable play maker and Martin (#9) is much improved and seems redy for tiem at the 2 brining in good offense and contenued rebounding, he is no DC on defense but he is quick and stays in front of his man prety darn well.
i don't think many will argue with that. But you do gotta give him a taste just about every game. He'll never improve if he doesn't get out on the floor and mix it up with other teams. Right now I'll agree that Martin is the better player, save for Garcia's ability to make plays.
 
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BigSong said:
i don't think many will argue with that. But you do gotta give him a taste just about every game. He'll never improve if he doesn't get out on the floor and mix it up with other teams.
Agreed.

Also, he likely won't be getting major minutes (barring injuries).
 
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VF21

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You have to give him a taste just about every game or he'll never improve? Why should Garcia be any different than most other rookies, especially on the Kings?

Sorry, but I don't see him getting "a taste just about every game" any more than Kevin did last year. I would much rather see Corliss step in to backup Peja, and I think that's exactly what we are going to see, with the possibility of KT slipping in at the 3 also.

Garcia will get his chance, but I'm not expecting him to crack the top 8-9 rotation.
 
#26
I agree. I don't think Garcia is ready for serious time yet. Hart and Price need to help, though. Garcia seems to have heart, and there is every reason to believe he will improve as much as Martin did after a year in the league.
 
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I'm actually kind of excited about our rebounding potential this year. In watching Peja in the games I've seen so far it seems to me like he is trying to be more agressive. 8 rebounds might be a career night for him. Add Bonzi to the mix, Mike's improved numbers from last year, and Thomas and Skinner getting big minutes off the bench and we may be able to limit opponent second chance points this year. Maybe even get a few of our own?

EDIT: N/M, Peja actually pulled down 17 boards against the Lakers in 00. Maybe he only does well against them.
 
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4cwebb said:
I'm almost certain that's a joke minus the emoticon, but in case it's not, I must say that comment is shameful to the mere memory of Big Game James in a Laker uniform. Unless George can arrange to play the Kings every night, of course.
Haha, please, Big Game James is so much better than Gump it's painful for me to even joke about it.
 
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Bricklayer said:
My impression of that is very simple: no matter how much money you have, no matter how stupidly rich you are, that is just a flat out waste of money and you are a shallow moron if you dish it out to stay in a room for a night. Take your $50,000, fly out to New Orleans, and hand it to somebody who just lost everything they ever owned. Unless you are shallow beyond comprehension, you will get more out of it, ans so will they.
That's why I never watched "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous." Thought it quite possiblly the most obscene show ever put on television. The trailers alone made me sick. (I'm probably being hypocritical, since I am enjoying a team that the Maloof's $$ makes possible.)
 
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