ParniValjak
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The only similarity between Rodman and Evans is their rebounding (and even that is not on the same level). Rodman was infinetlyy better defender than Evans and was better at handling the ball than Evans.Kings113 said:
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I agree on both of your points there obviously as I have watched them both many times. Evans brings dirty play and hustle and toughness, just like Rodman did. And things this team could use for sure.
Evans is a fantastic rebounder though, regardless of comparisions.
Evans is a fantastic rebounder though, regardless of comparisions.
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nbrans
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Kings113 said:
Yeah, you're right on that, Kings113, Evans does bring some grit and hustle and toughness, and I like that about him. I think that Bricklayer is right on the money when he says that Evans could be a great energizer off the bench, something that the Kings now lack with Bobby Jackson gone. So I would not be upset to have Evans on the roster. It would be a great luxury.
acisking
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nbrans said:
it is terribly speculative if you dismiss their stats...not to mention that they did play more than 2 games last year together in the playoffs...or at least, i should say, they were all available to play (god knows why adelman used skinner as little as he did in he playoffs)...either way, after the Seattle series its foolish to deny the point that the Kings greatest weakness is hteir attrocious rebounding abilities....even if they were to improve defensively, it would be no use if the opponents continously capitalized on second chance opportunities...you are right that kenny thomas is just about as undersized as evans, but there is no question that evans plays a lot tougher...and even though evans is not a noted shotbloaker, ithink its safe to argue that he plays better defense than k. thomas...im not aying that evans is neccesarily a better overall player...just that evans is a more useful player for a team that is full of offensiv players
"you are right that kenny thomas is just about as undersized as evans, but there is no question that evans plays a lot tougher...and even though evans is not a noted shotbloaker, ithink its safe to argue that he plays better defense than k. thomas...im not aying that evans is neccesarily a better overall player...just that evans is a more useful player for a team that is full of offensiv players."
Agreeedddd.
Agreeedddd.
sactown_draftpick
G-League
r we seriously tlking bout evans! Dude would b teaching every how to comit 4 fouls in one min might as well go after dany fortson(how eva u spell it) thn we would continue to get smaller n also help give free points by being in foul trouble. cause we all kno bibby n peja aint goin to b in front of the mann.
sactown_draftpick
G-League
\CruzDude said:
dont sleep on KG
CaminoChaos
Bench
Who do you suggest we can get? Realalistically!
Reggie Evans, Eddie Griffin (I haven't read on RealGM or on InsideHoops/HoopsHype he agreed to a deal, or seen on any tickers, plus nobody can sign till next week), Antoine Walker, Othella Harrington.
Are the best out of realistic FAs.
K9 won't be the starting PF next season. Petrie well knows.
Are the best out of realistic FAs.
K9 won't be the starting PF next season. Petrie well knows.
captain bill
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CruzDude-your list actually makes me more worried. The Rockets, Lakers, and Hornets are the only teams on that list that we have an advantage over at the PF spot. I'm not too worried about the Hornets, and the Lakers and Rockets have always beat us from other positions. So against every other team in the west we are either closely matched or overmatched at what is the most important position for this team and, right now, any team in the west. We need a good PF to not only match up against other teams but also to run our offense well. And realgm has Thomas ranked behind 11 WC PFs, not that that counts for much, but it does gives somewhat of an indication of how KT will match up.
SacTownKid
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captain bill said:
Bad way to look at it. Despite what you think history may be telling you, you don't have to go, "well our PF is not as talented or ranked near the best in the league" last I checked, this isn't a 1 on 1 game. The players need roles, and next season they should have them. That is a very important factor.
I know its hard for Kings fans b/c Webber was the face of the franchise and he was a PF. Doesn't mean that we can't win if we don't "replace" Webber.
Peja4threee
G-League
Kenny Thomas out played Webber in both of the match ups after the trade. Thomas could go to the hoop on Webber every time with ease.
captain bill
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SacTownKid said:
The role playing is the biggest thing that worries me. All our pieces still favor the Princeton offense, and that requires us to have a good PF in the mold of Webber, and KT can't fill that. And if we don't play in that style, I don't think this team will play very well. Miller's skills go to waste without passing, Peja can't find his stroke and Bibby and Wells can be isolated and shut down, meaning we basically get one scoring option on a given night because our offense can generate anything else and we let the opposing defense determine what we do. Also, if we decide to get more of a role player PF next season, they should be a great defender and dominate rebounding underneath, neither of which Kenny excells at. KT is a scorer first and foremost. Not a roleplayer. Remember him complaining about not starting? Does that sound like a roleplayer to you?
whozit
Starter
I have a question. I have used Thomas's "appearant" dislike of coming of the bench also. Are we making too much of it? Are we also making assumptions?
Did he actually have a "fit" and attitude problem or was it simply a response to a question that we fans have took and ran with? If I recall, he was asked a question and he stated he prefered starting. Since that response he has been labeled with it and with his salary being what it is a conclusion (possibly erroneous) has been made.
If (and don't you love ifs) we, the fans, are reading more into it than actually there it really changes the situation.
Did he actually have a "fit" and attitude problem or was it simply a response to a question that we fans have took and ran with? If I recall, he was asked a question and he stated he prefered starting. Since that response he has been labeled with it and with his salary being what it is a conclusion (possibly erroneous) has been made.
If (and don't you love ifs) we, the fans, are reading more into it than actually there it really changes the situation.
whozit
Starter
To be honest, I don't know. After reading and hearing something over and over it can become difficult to seperate reality from the retoric.
As far as his contract goes, I did mention it. However, when it benefited the team they have taken on salary that never even suited up. (i.e. Price from the Bibby trade and his salary back then was only a million less than Thomas's now.)
As far as his contract goes, I did mention it. However, when it benefited the team they have taken on salary that never even suited up. (i.e. Price from the Bibby trade and his salary back then was only a million less than Thomas's now.)
captain bill
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whozit said:
I agree with you that this KT not coming off the bench line is overblown, as he was asked a question and answered it honestly, but also said he could accept what is best for the team. But more goes into it than just that statement. First, he obviously wants to start and being told in the preseason that he will stay on the bench is completely different than not starting immediately after being traded. Second, his starter status is cemented by his contract. That money is starter money, and could be split into several decent bench players, providing incentive to move him. Bench scoring can be gotten a lot cheaper, and also we can pursue specific roleplaying specialists- defenders, rebounders, etc. Personally, I would absolutely love to see K9 on our bench, as he brings scoring and rebounding and could torch a second unit. If we can aquire a starting PF, and the Kings can talk KT into the benefits of bench play, I would be a very happy man. I'm skeptical if it cna happen.
ParniValjak
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Personally, I think the fans have taken it on and ran with it.whozit said:
Considering the circumstances then Kenny has every right to say he wants to be a starter simply because it was Songaila that was starting ahead of him. For all his short comings Kenny is still a better player than Songaila. Now if you had a PF that was clearly better than Thomas THEN I very much doubt whether Thomas would be demanding to start. Say for arguments sake, you have someone like Shareef or Walker as a PF. Both were all-stars at some stage of their careers and both were best players at their respective teams at some stage of their career. Do you think Thomas would be asking to start ahead of someone who is clearly better than him?????? Do you think he would ask to start ahead of Walker/Shareef or ahead of Peja?????? I don't think so
captain bill
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^^^That's not what he said. He said I'm a starter, I've been a starter my entire career, I want to start. Those comments are absent Darius. As I said earlier though, it's not that simple.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Čarolija said:Personally, I think the fans have taken it on and ran with it.
Considering the circumstances then Kenny has every right to say he wants to be a starter simply because it was Songaila that was starting ahead of him. For all his short comings Kenny is still a better player than Songaila. Now if you had a PF that was clearly better than Thomas THEN I very much doubt whether Thomas would be demanding to start. Say for arguments sake, you have someone like Shareef or Walker as a PF. Both were all-stars at some stage of their careers and both were best players at their respective teams at some stage of their career. Do you think Thomas would be asking to start ahead of someone who is clearly better than him?????? Do you think he would ask to start ahead of Walker/Shareef or ahead of Peja?????? I don't think so
DITTO, on everything you just said.
CruzDude
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Well, it appears we can take Steven Hunter off our list. As of this morning 7/30 he appears to be signing either with the Suns or the Mavs and he has narrowed his list down to four teams and the Kings are not one of them.
Rasho? A nice kid but does he play any defense?
Rasho? A nice kid but does he play any defense?
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
CruzDude said:
Decent, or the Spurs would not have gotten him. Very good shotblocker, but the classic Euro big man tendency to softness when it comes to physical banging.
LPKingsFan
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Bricklayer said:
I am open to a Brad/Rasho frontcourt pairing. Despite speed issues, both are 7 footers; Rasho's shotblocking could cover Brad's groundboundness, and I honestly believe that a healthy Brad will be the return of the tough mofo Brad, enough to cover Rasho's softness at least.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
LPKingsFan said:
Brad was healthy to start the year, and there was no tough mofo to be seen.
Think Brad's problem is that he is essentially a follower, not a leader. Paired with ferocious defenders ala Oakley or Artest etc., he was inspired and they bled off onto him. Paired with Webb, Peja, Mike, Cat etc. etc., he's just a ground bound white guy.
I am not anti-getting Rasho if the price is right -- we could certainly use his size and shotblocking. But on the other hand this team is about one more soft player from having to wear skirts out onto the court, and Rasho is NOT a step in the right direction on that front.
LA King Fan II
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Having size as a backup improved Miller when he was teamed with Vlade. I remember how surprising it was to see them do well together -- DEFENSIVELy.
I even remember Miller manning up on KG and making him work (2 years ago, of course).
Rasho would help Miller some. Still, we'd have one of the worst front lines in the West. As awful as they are, I'd rather have Mims, Kwame and Odom than Miller-Rasho and Peja. Same ol' athletic story. Geez, the more I think about it -- the Kings would get murdered.
Dum--dee--dum can't see how we can get anyone of worth without losing Peja or Miller. More importantly, I don't see how our style can change without losing one of them.
I even remember Miller manning up on KG and making him work (2 years ago, of course).
Rasho would help Miller some. Still, we'd have one of the worst front lines in the West. As awful as they are, I'd rather have Mims, Kwame and Odom than Miller-Rasho and Peja. Same ol' athletic story. Geez, the more I think about it -- the Kings would get murdered.
Dum--dee--dum can't see how we can get anyone of worth without losing Peja or Miller. More importantly, I don't see how our style can change without losing one of them.
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