Possible Blockbuster?

[VF21]

Had ya'll already known about this place ??? To me, I was acting like a kid in a candy store.

Didn't mean to START ANYTHING !!!!

You didn't start anything.

In TDOS (the dreaded off-season) realGM is a second home to a lot of people around here as they try trade proposal after trade proposal, looking for that perfect combination. In fact, as a general rule, a lot of us won't even bother to discuss a trade if it hasn't been run through realGM first.



You're in the clear.

 

[Alacron]

Here's a trade that would qualify as a "blockbuster." Keep in mind, this was just a stream-of-consciousness type thing, I'm not trying to hate on anyone. Besides, I don't think Mobley and Bradley can be traded until after the deadline. Nevertheless,

Atlanta trades:
PF Antoine Walker(20.0 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 3.7 apg in 40.2 minutes)
PG Tony Delk(10.4 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 1.5 apg in 23.3 minutes)
SG Josh Smith(7.9 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 1.6 apg in 23.8 minutes)
Atlanta receives:
PF Austin Croshere(10.4 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 1.7 apg in 28.4 minutes)
SF Ron Artest(24.6 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 3.1 apg in 41.6 minutes)
SG Cuttino Mobley(16.0 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 2.4 apg in 33.2 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +12.7 ppg, -1.8 rpg, and +0.4 apg.

Boston trades:
SF Paul Pierce(21.9 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 4.2 apg in 36.2 minutes)
PG Gary Payton(12.2 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 6.2 apg in 33.0 minutes)
Boston receives:
C Scot Pollard(6.1 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 0.7 apg in 22.7 minutes)
SF Peja Stojakovic(20.3 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 1.8 apg in 39.1 minutes)
PG Bobby Jackson(11.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 2.3 apg in 21.7 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +4.2 ppg, +4.0 rpg, and -5.6 apg.

Indiana trades:
PF Austin Croshere(10.4 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 1.7 apg in 28.4 minutes)
SF Ron Artest(24.6 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 3.1 apg in 41.6 minutes)
C Scot Pollard(6.1 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 0.7 apg in 22.7 minutes)
Indiana receives:
PF Antoine Walker(20.0 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 3.7 apg in 40.2 minutes)
PG Tony Delk(10.4 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 1.5 apg in 23.3 minutes)
PF Michael Bradley(1.0 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 5.8 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -9.7 ppg, -5.1 rpg, and 0.0 apg.

Sacramento trades:
SG Cuttino Mobley(16.0 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 2.4 apg in 33.2 minutes)
SF Peja Stojakovic(20.3 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 1.8 apg in 39.1 minutes)
PG Bobby Jackson(11.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 2.3 apg in 21.7 minutes)
PF Michael Bradley(1.0 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 5.8 minutes)
Sacramento receives:
SG Josh Smith(7.9 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 1.6 apg in 23.8 minutes)
SF Paul Pierce(21.9 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 4.2 apg in 36.2 minutes)
PG Gary Payton(12.2 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 6.2 apg in 33.0 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -7.2 ppg, +2.9 rpg, and +5.2 apg.
TRADE ACCEPTED

 

[Alacron]

Atlanta upside: Gets rid of Antoine Walker (always a good thing), replaces an old scoring point guard (Delk) with a young scoring point guard (House), takes a chance on a Defensive Player of the Year with heavy baggage, gets a proven SG who scores in bunches, and a capable veteran PF. It also gives the team more star power and name recognition with Artest. They almost certainly improve in the near term.
Downside: They lose a tantalizing prospect in rookie Josh Smith.

Boston upside: Gets the dealiest marksman in the league, a more explosive point guard, and added size and defense up front. Payton gets his wish to go out West, Bobby gets his starting job. Sooner-expiring contracts than Pierce's 3 years. With Peja, Bobby, and Scot, they take the title of Kings East from Orlando.

Downside: Trading one franchise player for another-- can Peja be the man? Jackson injured again; asking for trouble? They're in playoff contention; will this disrupt their run?

Indiana upside: Gets rid of Croshere's contract and the headcase Artest, while adding a scoring point guard behind Tinsley, Bird's man Walker, and a banger to compensate for Pollard. Delk will have been on all four of these teams!

Downside: Croshere has played well and was a good teammate. Artest, when sane, is an All-Star. Bradley is no Pollard.

Sacramento upside: We get our go-to guy in Pierce, who brings a killer instinct and improved rebounding. Trade away two chuckers, Mobley and House. As good as Jackson has been, he hasn't been able to play. Payton (expiring contract) will fill the role currently occupied by Eddie House, and the rookie Josh Smith will play SF behind Pierce.

Downside: Loss of Peja's size and sharpshooting, as well as the former Sixth Man of the Year. Give up two legit 3-point threats (Peja & Mobley) for one (Pierce).

Kings lineup:

PG: Bibby/Payton
SG: Evans/Martin/Pierce/Payton
SF: Pierce/Smith/Barnes/Daniels
PF: Webber/Songaila/Daniels
C: Miller/Ostertag

Would you do it? Would they?

Or have I just spent way too much time at Real GM? Don't answer that.
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[4cwebb]

9 out of 10 people would disagree with you. I am one of the nine.

Pierce, as Pedja is, is a good defender. Pierce is a much better rebounder (and that has nothing to do with the coach), because he is tough. Pedja is soft. Pierce also is a big moment player. Pedja has a history of disappearing and missing shots when it matters the most. Pierce is clutch.

This is not to say I do not think Pedja is a great player. He is. Pierce is a superstar. He will figure out how to effectively contribute regardless of the amount of shots he gets.

The only thing I disagree with here is that Pierce "is a superstar". Pierce "was a superstar", imho. Now he's just a guy playing for a bad team getting his numbers. If he can return to the Pierce of three seasons ago, he's a superstar, a top ten talent, a guy that the Kings would have to trade Peja for if they can get the opportunity.

However, if he cannot return to being that player, then there's no point bringing him in here for Peja. He needs too many shots, and that immediately renders ineffective Miller, Mobley and/or Bibby on offense. CWebb will get his shots with the way this offense is run, and if Pierce lands on this team, I'm sure Adelman would restructure the offense to get Pierce his shots too. That leaves Miller will fewer shots (not that he needs shots to be effective, but he's shooting so well lately that it's borderline silly to not give him 10 shots per game), and then Mobley or Bibby suffer. Bibby doesn't bring defense, and is a scoring pg more than a true pg, so imo his game would suffer. Mobley needs the ball to operate as well.

At their current levels of play, I think Peja for Pierce is a pretty even deal straight up, but think Peja fits into the Kings offense much better right now tha Pierce. The Kings need a guy on the team who doesn't need the ball in his hands to get into position to score since guys like CWebb, Bibby and Mobley each need the ball to be effective offensive players.

 

[Bricklayer]

Yep, neither Mobley nor Bradley can be traded like that this year, so....

 

[slugking50]

Had ya'll already known about this place ??? To me, I was acting like a kid in a candy store.

Didn't mean to START ANYTHING !!!!

Known about that site for quite a few years... Ive learned to dislike that site

 

[slugking50]

Like Ryle, I heard Kevin The Rat mention that later there should be some surprising Kings news.... Rat said a "source" said something was going to happen soon. I wonder who the source was.... Monty the Moron maybe?

 

[TheSerbianQueen]

.... any mention of Antoine Walker gives me the heebie jeebies. I do *not* want him on this team.

THANK YOU!!!!!

I can't believe some peopleare even talking about walker coming to SAC...

but as far as this whole trade goes..... I am still not sold that it is going to happen (I looked for any possible info on the net and nothing gives any indication that Kings will have any part of this trade whatsoever)....
So wake me up when and if the trade actually happens.
Until then, I am hoping that Pedja comes back very soon!!

 

[Gary]

Yah, I would welcome the trade because we would have someone under contract, but we would lose a LOT of 3pt shooting..

WE SHOULD BRING IN KYLE KORVER!!! He would be a perfect player coming off the bench to shoot the 3.

 

[Gary]

I don't agree on the point of Pierce taking too many shots.. He is on a team where he is the only shooter so of course he is going to shoot a lot... But there is an issue right now that Peja does not get enough shots. Since Mobley his shots have dropped about 3 or so a game. Bringing in too many scorers will hurt the team, BUT if we could get a talent like pierce, and get rid of a guy that wont sign here next year I am all for it.

 

[CruzDude]

I just went through two pages of celtic news and fan sites and nowhere could I even find a mention of Pedja (or Pejah as the bostonians might say). So if that group don't mention it why is there so much BS about Pedja out here and Pierce? The guy really does have back spasms and Petrie said that his back issue has been going on for a couple of months and just got a bit worse recently. Are some of the Pedja fans only fair weather fans now that he has his first legitimate injury? I believe Petrie.

 

[Gary]

Although I do not believe the trade is truely going to happen the way it was listed in the original post, but I believe there is something that is going to happen in regard to Peja. This is clearly Webbers team (BLEH ) and Peja will still want out, so rather than getting nothign for him, we might trade him before he leaves.

 

[bozzwell]

I don't agree. T-Mac is a great player and IMO Pierce is a superstar calibur player also.

Peja as much as I like him is a great player but not a superstar IMO

That's fine. We disagree on how we rate these three players. My point was that there is something about this rumour that merits dioscussion. Both Pedja and Pierce have on great year to their name and a number of very good years. I don't think that either of us would buy into this rumour last year (because of the way Pedja played) or 2 (or 3?) years ago when Pierce was destroying teams in the 4th quarter.

 

[4cwebb]

Just for fun --- Pierce went for 18 points in a win against the Bulls tonight, going 2 for 12 from the field, 13 for 17 from the line (!), and grabbing 15 rebounds (!).

 

[JB_kings]

Gary, you need to add another stat to your Kings are 4-0 without Webber. Like the fact that the 4 teams that were defeated are a combined .313 winning percentage and that all of the games were at ARCO. So you might have a good argument if the Kings could play the rest of their games at ARCO against teams like the Bobcats and Hornets.

 

[love_them_kings]

Gary, you need to add another stat to your Kings are 4-0 without Webber. Like the fact that the 4 teams that were defeated are a combined .313 winning percentage and that all of the games were at ARCO. So you might have a good argument if the Kings could play the rest of their games at ARCO against teams like the Bobcats and Hornets.

Nicely said.

 

[bojan_pecanac]

Gary, you need to add another stat to your Kings are 4-0 without Webber. Like the fact that the 4 teams that were defeated are a combined .313 winning percentage and that all of the games were at ARCO. So you might have a good argument if the Kings could play the rest of their games at ARCO against teams like the Bobcats and Hornets.

Didn't the Kings also LOSE to the Hornets WITH Webber?

 

[Heuge]

Didn't the Kings also LOSE to the Hornets WITH Webber?

They lost at NO,BTW NO are 5-6 since (they found some players).

 

[Gary]

Gary, you need to add another stat to your Kings are 4-0 without Webber. Like the fact that the 4 teams that were defeated are a combined .313 winning percentage and that all of the games were at ARCO. So you might have a good argument if the Kings could play the rest of their games at ARCO against teams like the Bobcats and Hornets.

We will find out whether or not I take it down today. I said I would when Webber is out and we lose, and it looks like he is out today.

 

[Heuge]

We will find out whether or not I take it down today. I said I would when Webber is out and we lose, and it looks like he is out today.

Whether we win tonight or not the sig is silly. Players step up when stars are out. Could the Kings consistently win without Webb for an extended period of time, deep into the playoffs...No.

 

[Gary]

Yes, I know it is silly.. I have said many times that it is a joke that I have with a co-worker that frequents this site as well. She is a Webber homer, and I am always critical of Webber just to get under her skin. So yes, it is a joke (kind of)

 

[VF21]

It's not funny when it demeans one of our players, IMHO.

We're here because we support the KINGS - all of them. Your signature is not suppportive. In fact, it's divisive and I'd think we could all get past that.

 

[KP]

Yes, I know it is silly.. I have said many times that it is a joke that I have with a co-worker that frequents this site as well. She is a Webber homer, and I am always critical of Webber just to get under her skin. So yes, it is a joke (kind of)

Guess what? Your coworker has been right this whole time!

 

[Bricklayer]

Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! Can I play?!?

Miller is averaging 21.7pts on 64.3% shooting 12.0rebs 3.7ast 1.0stl 0.7blk when Peja does not play!

And you know what? I could give a damn. (other than kudos for Brad for stepping up of course).

 

[JB_kings]

And when the Kings shoot well, defend, rebound and not turn the ball over - they are undefeated!

 

[piksi]

I just checked the stats and:

Kings are 30-0 when they outscore the opponent.

 

[HndsmCelt]

And when the Kings shoot well, defend, rebound and not turn the ball over - they are undefeated!

Gee bet you can't say that about any other team!

 

[KP]

Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! Can I play?!?

Miller is averaging 21.7pts on 64.3% shooting 12.0rebs 3.7ast 1.0stl 0.7blk when Peja does not play!

And you know what? I could give a damn. (other than kudos for Brad for stepping up of course).

lol

 

[VF21]

I just checked the stats and:

Kings are 30-0 when they outscore the opponent.

Well, there you go. It seems the real key has been right under our noses the whole time.

Imagine that!!