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I almost hate to do this given the inevitable discord, however, if the Rondo thing falls through, our reported M.O. has been big PG who can play some defense right? And we just picked up a SG who can handle and share backcourt duties right? And who might need some defensive coverage help?



and that one's for real. I just don't know what those restless fools in the Big Easy are still wandering around looking for, besides escaping that Gordon deal.

it would be such a strange and unlikely turn of events for the kings to swing a trade that brings tyreke evans back to sacramento. i can't imagine it would happen, but has something like that ever happened before, where a player leaves in free agency only to be traded back to his original team within a year?
 
it would be such a strange and unlikely turn of events for the kings to swing a trade that brings tyreke evans back to sacramento. i can't imagine it would happen, but has something like that ever happened before, where a player leaves in free agency only to be traded back to his original team within a year?

Slightly different, but we spent quite a while trying to get rid of John Salmons only to trade for him again. I realise most of us have probably blocked that out of our memories.

Wow, that was an incredibly dumb move by GP.
 
it would be such a strange and unlikely turn of events for the kings to swing a trade that brings tyreke evans back to sacramento. i can't imagine it would happen, but has something like that ever happened before, where a player leaves in free agency only to be traded back to his original team within a year?

Sean Eilliot springs to mind for the Spurs back in the 90s. I know there have been other cases too.
 
Slightly different, but we spent quite a while trying to get rid of John Salmons only to trade for him again. I realise most of us have probably blocked that out of our memories.

Wow, that was an incredibly dumb move by GP.

it was one of the worst draft day moves in the history of the draft. that said, players return to former teams all of the time. some even get traded only to be bought out on the other side in order to return to their original team. but i'm not too familiar with the history of players actively leaving in free agency only to return to their former team so quickly via trade...
 
Sean Eilliot springs to mind for the Spurs back in the 90s. I know there have been other cases too.

ah yes, that would be a similar situation, but wasn't elliott traded by the spurs initially? free agency is a bit less complicated than trading in that a front office either wants to pay a player or they don't. i'd just be perplexed at the notion of tyreke evans leaving sacramento in free agency (through the technicality of a sign-and-trade)--an admission by the front office that they didn't want to pay him what new orleans was offering--only to return via trade a year later--an admission by the front office that they should have paid him what new orleans was offering. i suppose the kings' guard rotation is so dire and inexperienced (in the potential absence of IT) that the new regime could swallow enough pride to make a trade for evans, but i certainly wouldn't bet on it...
 
Sometimes for some people you don't know what you have until it is gone. All of us fans knew Tyreke was the best defender on the Kings and one of the best at going to the basket in the NBA. With some threats at the 3 point line and sharing the ball with Cousins and Gay I think it could work out well. Perhaps with some time to reflect Pete thinks the same way.

All that said I think Gordon is the player the Pelicans really want to move.
 
I think we need to start listening to what PDA and the rest of the front office is saying, instead of trying to impose our own agenda into their statements. They said prior to the draft that they wanted to improve outside shooting first, along with better passing and ballhandling. I took them at their word and looked at all the possibilities in the draft and came up with Stauskas. They also said that they were looking for a pass first PG that hopefully could defend and had some size. I came up with Payton. Turns out that the two players they had at the top of their board were Stauskas and Payton. Not rocket science folks if you pay attention. So having said that, how in the world does Jarrett Jack fit into that equation? Jack is a shooter. He's a SG in a PG's body. That's not a criticism, just a fact.

As to Livingston's knee's, I have no idea. I can't predict when the next tornado is going to strike either. But I suspect that he won't be very expensive, and therefore not much of a financial risk. He had a very good season last year. He's always been talented, and at one time, thought to be god's gift to the PG community. An exaggeration perhaps, but we'll never know because of his horrible injury. He's a player that knows who he is, plays to his strengths, and doesn't try to do what he can't. I like those kind of players.

Where did you see that? It's hard for me to believe that if Embiid, Wiggins or Parker were there that they wouldn't have taken them over Stauskas and Peyton. Also, I wonder where Exum was on their boad.

To me, the Kings want to add playmaking ability, not and and subtract playmaking. If they don't re-sign IT, they more than likely end up in the same place with their playmaking, which is less than what they want. Livingston is about as pedestrian as you can get. I don't see any team in the league scared of Livingston. He's the epitome of ordinary.
 
Slightly different, but we spent quite a while trying to get rid of John Salmons only to trade for him again. I realise most of us have probably blocked that out of our memories.

Wow, that was an incredibly dumb move by GP.

As dumb as that move was, the Hickson/Casspi trade has proven to be the most damaging over the long term. At least Salmons eventually turned into Rudy Gay. Hickson turned into nothing and that conditional pick that was thrown in (FOR NO REASON THAT ANYONE CAN UNDERSTAND) has probably kept the Kings from making many trades that would have happened if that pick was free to move.

Not to bring up all the old wounds.
 
playmaking can come from a system.. as much as it cqn come from a pg
 
Chauncey Billups on a 1 year rental?
If they dump Terry, I wouldn't mind, the equivalent of a flyer on a young player. As long as the team isn't relying on him as anything other than a 5th guard who could put a little bit of (hypothetical) heat on Ray at backup PG.
And seeing as he hasn't been healthy in a while, I don't see him getting any more opportunity than that. If there's anything left beyond being available for half the season and some pep talks, its a bonus.
 
Never mind that he and Nik would form the worst defensive backcourt in the NBA, by a lot.
True, but the signs are pointing to our team being terrible on defence again anyway. We may as well bring in someone who can facilitate and try and outscore them to win games.
 
True, but the signs are pointing to our team being terrible on defence again anyway. We may as well bring in someone who can facilitate and try and outscore them to win games.
Defence wins championships! Granted we are a long way away from that but we have to start somewhere! You can't just keep bringing in poor defenders and hope to impove and be taken seriously!
 
Defence wins championships! Granted we are a long way away from that but we have to start somewhere! You can't just keep bringing in poor defenders and hope to impove and be taken seriously!

Is it too late to start concerning ourselves over defense with the way the roster is currently constructed?

We have a number of players that can be considered defensive liabilities. For the past few seasons we've conceded amongst the most points in the league. However, some teams have managed to make significant improvements with good coaching. For example, the Charlotte Bobcats conceded the second most points per game under Coach Dunlap in 2012-13, but under their new head coach Steve Clifford, they improved to conceding the fourth least amount of points per game. So improvements can be made, but do we have the players [and coaching staff] to make them?

We have some players that can play good defense, but others are liabilities that need hiding in the line ups. That is the problem, and it will only be heightened if we re-sign Thomas and bring back Vasquez. The defense will likely not improve. We will be able to score. But if the aim is to play tough defense, then we cannot afford to have two or three starters with questionable defense. As such, the roster will eventually need retooling. That potentially means blowing it up, and I don't see Vivek wanting to do that, nor the likes of PDA and Malone.

With that in mind, we will either need to add pieces to help us out gun opponents, or try to rebuild on the fly and acquire players that will help the team improve defensively, and consequently help hide some of the liabilities. Either way it is going to be tough to improve this team into championship calibre based on how it is currently constructed.
 
Jorge Sierra: The Sacramento Kings and Darren Collison are in discussions on a deal, sources tell HoopsHype. bit.ly/1s2ToxB Twitter @hoopshype
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Jorge Sierra @hoopshype about 25 minutes ago


The Sacramento Kings and Darren Collison are in discussions on a deal, sources tell HoopsHype. bit.ly/1s2ToxB


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which would be...a patch basically. Collison has been found wanting by every team he's been brought in as a starter for. He's just a low level "at least we have a starter" patch. I am brought back to watching Reke abuse him as a rookie, then we give away Reke, and now are courting the guy he abused. Pathetic.

On the other hand, our interest in IT seems lukewarm, and you do Collison, you might have one of the cheaper starting PGs in the league, try to win games with Cousins/Gay, and might have enough money left to spend to take a stab at helping the frontcourt.
 
In other news, unfortunately the New Orleans report has been clarified, and clarified in the ways everybody thought it was originally:

Jorge Sierra @hoopshype about 25 minutes ago


The Sacramento Kings and Darren Collison are in discussions on a deal, sources tell HoopsHype. bit.ly/1s2ToxB


Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/hoopshype.html#ixzz36PxsCEEP

which is to say they want Holiday/Reke/Anderson/Davis/Asik, and are really mostly just interested in dumping Gordon's awful contract, as usual.
 
With nearly every rumor , every signing, every pick this front office is losing my confidence. Its early, I know, but I do not like the direction this roster is going. Nothing new I suppose, I have been kicking and screaming with every move for nearly 10 years.
 
Slightly different, but we spent quite a while trying to get rid of John Salmons only to trade for him again. I realise most of us have probably blocked that out of our memories.

Wow, that was an incredibly dumb move by GP.

westfail asked for the fish and got it. GP is an idiot for agreeing to trade for him back tho
 
Collison is fine with me. Cheaper, doesn't penetrate quite as well, but essentially the same age as IT yet has a wider range of experience. He can be a bridge player, good enough to start while the team finds/develops an upgrade, and can be a great 6th man when/if the team contends.

If the FO can add any kind of front court D with an IT sign and trade, this could be a very good move.
 
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