I was so sure he would be a complete bust. Guys like him just dont make it in the league. I know it was only 1 exhibition game but it looks like I could not have been more wrong. Looks like he just has that extra something special. Dont think he can ever be a 30-35 minute guy but he will be a rotation player for many years. Cant wait to see him in 3 pt shootout.
Pleasantly surprised by Jimmer.
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ParniValjak
All-Star
WHAAAAT?!
Guys like him ALWAYS find a roster spot in this league. Players with that sort of shot always stick around in the league. The only question with Jimmer was, and still is, whether he is good enough to be more than just a role playing spot shooter (see Jason Kapono, Kyle Korver et al) but with that shot, he is just about guaranteed to stick around in the league for a very long time.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
Funny how people who said he couldn't make it, completely change their entire stance off a single pre season game. If you watched him in college, you already knew what type of a player he was, strengths and weaknesses. If that is the case, than one game cannot change your opinion.
Now, if you never watched him play beyond youtube highlights, and only listened to draft pundits, then yes, a single pre season game can completely change your opinion, because your original opinion didn't have much to stand on.
I will say, it didn't take long for Jimmer to show some on this forum that he in fact can get his own shot off. The posters who thought Jimmer couldn't even get his shot off were numerous. So, have to take both praise and criticism with a grain of salt, except from a few, given there's only a handful of people here who watched and knew a considerable amount of Jimmer before we picked him. Baja tops that list.
Now, if you never watched him play beyond youtube highlights, and only listened to draft pundits, then yes, a single pre season game can completely change your opinion, because your original opinion didn't have much to stand on.
I will say, it didn't take long for Jimmer to show some on this forum that he in fact can get his own shot off. The posters who thought Jimmer couldn't even get his shot off were numerous. So, have to take both praise and criticism with a grain of salt, except from a few, given there's only a handful of people here who watched and knew a considerable amount of Jimmer before we picked him. Baja tops that list.
the guys you mentioned are around 6'7
Jimmer is about 6'2. He is also not a point guard. Tell me how many 6'2 unathletic shooting guards make an impact in this league. Looking around the league right now lets count. Eddie House, though I would not consider him an impact player but he always finds work. Reddick has made a nice role for himself but he is a bit taller. Other then that I cant find any. Maybe you can tell me who these guys are that always find spots in the league cause there sure arent many of them now. And also I am never mentioned "sticking" in the league. I said being a guy who is in the rotation on a consistent basis.
Watching a guy in college like Jimmer means very little when evaluating how he will do in the NBA. He was not really asked to play D and could shoot from where ever and when ever he wanted. Thats why opinions on him were so varied. Sure we all know he could shoot it. But the D league and Europe is littered with guys that can shoot but cant do the other things needed to stick in the NBA.
My original point was, yes its just 1 game, but he looked like he has what it takes to be a contributor.
Jimmer is about 6'2. He is also not a point guard. Tell me how many 6'2 unathletic shooting guards make an impact in this league. Looking around the league right now lets count. Eddie House, though I would not consider him an impact player but he always finds work. Reddick has made a nice role for himself but he is a bit taller. Other then that I cant find any. Maybe you can tell me who these guys are that always find spots in the league cause there sure arent many of them now. And also I am never mentioned "sticking" in the league. I said being a guy who is in the rotation on a consistent basis.
Watching a guy in college like Jimmer means very little when evaluating how he will do in the NBA. He was not really asked to play D and could shoot from where ever and when ever he wanted. Thats why opinions on him were so varied. Sure we all know he could shoot it. But the D league and Europe is littered with guys that can shoot but cant do the other things needed to stick in the NBA.
My original point was, yes its just 1 game, but he looked like he has what it takes to be a contributor.
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
bibby, steph curry
ParniValjak
All-Star
History is littered with these type of players. If you can shoot like Jimmer you are always going to have a spot on some team. JJ Reddick, Eddie House, Steve Kerr, Daniel Gibson! Those are the 4 players that immediately come to mind.
With a shot like that (pretty much automatic with set feet), there is always a team willing to take a chance.
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I didn't think he was going to be a bust. His ability to get his shot off was something he showed in college against entire defenses set against him. He has a hop-step and hesitation move to set up his jumper and a decent crossover as well.
My real question with Jimmer is what role will he eventually play in the NBA? A JJ Reddick role, a Michael Redd scorer or does he got Nash in him? I haven't seen any Nash at all yet, so I don't know. In the pre-season game, he came out reserved and was playing like he thought he should be the passive point guard. Then he realized the team didn't give a **** about passing and went into attack mode.
My real question with Jimmer is what role will he eventually play in the NBA? A JJ Reddick role, a Michael Redd scorer or does he got Nash in him? I haven't seen any Nash at all yet, so I don't know. In the pre-season game, he came out reserved and was playing like he thought he should be the passive point guard. Then he realized the team didn't give a **** about passing and went into attack mode.
nickmcclure
Bench
l spot a math fail, just sayin'.
Bibby and Curry are PG's, cant compare. Steve Kerr is an interesting comparison, but would we be satisfied with a Steve Kerr type career, especially if you look at his numbers without Jordan drawing triple teams and leaving him wide open. Daniel Gibson has developed some PG skills which I hope Jimmer does as well. Will he be a guy that we can only play in certain situations and matchups or will he be a guy we can run out there every night for 15-20 minutes.
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
I think Jimmer can be a better shooting Bibby when his role is defined. they are both unathletic/6'2/195 pounds with a shooting guards mentality but also a willingness to have a distributors mentality when the time is needed. Mikes inside scoring was really good, he was very crafty and strong taking it to the hoop despite his stature/lack of athleticism, i'm not sure if Jimmer has that ability yet but its definetly learnable.
Bibby was our leader for a long time, on many successful teams. And most importantly we almost won it all with him playing significant minutes. I think if Jimmer can reach Bibby level then alot of us would be happy.
ParniValjak
All-Star
Had 3 then remembered Gibson and added him in my post, but forgot to change the number to 4
The point still stands though!
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
Jimmers a better all around scorer then Kerr was, Kerr only avg'ed 6ppg , 1.8 apg, and 17 mpg as career numbers. Jimmer will average OVER 25 mpg career wise, hes way more versatile then Kerr, scoring wise and passing wise. And yes Jimmer is a PG.
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Bibby was our leader for a long time, on many successful teams. And most importantly we almost won it all with him playing significant minutes. I think if Jimmer can reach Bibby level then alot of us would be happy.[/QUOTE]
Jimmer has never been a PG and I doubt ever will. I think we would all be very happy if he developed into something like Bibby. But Bibby was a PG in high school and college so his PG skills were already developed by the time he got to the NbA. Jimmer does not have those skills and we all know how hard they are to develop at this level.
Jimmer has never been a PG and I doubt ever will. I think we would all be very happy if he developed into something like Bibby. But Bibby was a PG in high school and college so his PG skills were already developed by the time he got to the NbA. Jimmer does not have those skills and we all know how hard they are to develop at this level.
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
Jimmer has never been a PG and I doubt ever will. I think we would all be very happy if he developed into something like Bibby. But Bibby was a PG in high school and college so his PG skills were already developed by the time he got to the NbA. Jimmer does not have those skills and we all know how hard they are to develop at this level.[/QUOTE]
the two years Bibby played at Arizona he averaged 5.5 apg, The last 3 seasons Jimmer had in college he averaged 4.4 apg.
So I think your madly underrating his passing/point guard skills, yah hes not AS GOOD of a passer as Bibby was coming into the league, but hes pretty damn close and he was a way better college scorer. He does have the court awareness, willingness, passing ability that Bibby had so I dont know how you can say he will never be a PG.
You gotta remember Jimmers team was not that great in college scoring wise so he was asked to take that burden on himself, he had to score that much to help his team win.
With better players sorrounding him in the NBA I can see his scoring dropping and him becoming a better playmaker cause now he will have the scorers to pass to and get asts from.
the two years Bibby played at Arizona he averaged 5.5 apg, The last 3 seasons Jimmer had in college he averaged 4.4 apg.
So I think your madly underrating his passing/point guard skills, yah hes not AS GOOD of a passer as Bibby was coming into the league, but hes pretty damn close and he was a way better college scorer. He does have the court awareness, willingness, passing ability that Bibby had so I dont know how you can say he will never be a PG.
You gotta remember Jimmers team was not that great in college scoring wise so he was asked to take that burden on himself, he had to score that much to help his team win.
With better players sorrounding him in the NBA I can see his scoring dropping and him becoming a better playmaker cause now he will have the scorers to pass to and get asts from.[/QUOTE]
Very good points. But I think trying compare assist #'s from college means very little. Jimmer averaged 4 assists because he had the ball in his hands much of the time and was getting triple teamed. Of course someone is going to be open. But like you said he is a willing and smart passer but that does not make him a PG.
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
Very good points. But I think trying compare assist #'s from college means very little. Jimmer averaged 4 assists because he had the ball in his hands much of the time and was getting triple teamed. Of course someone is going to be open. But like you said he is a willing and smart passer but that does not make him a PG.[/QUOTE]
so what would make him a PG in your eyes? Jimmer himself says hes a PG.
Dreadnought
Bench
How about we all just sit around and hope he becomes an All-Star? If you don't feel he'll succeed, then don't buy his jersey. We need him to be good.
Sac.1989
Starter
stop arguing about whose a PG and SG and whatnot. Its pointless with us. PW stated again after the preseason game at GW that he doesnt care much for defining tht position and likes playing any combination of thornton, evans and jimmer because they can all handle the ball and pass and will each at times bring the ball up - expect to see all three on the floor during the season because of this with evans at SF.
We have 3 guards who can make plays and pass (call them point guards or let them seem themselves as point guards or not its irrelevant) and a system that in its infancy seems to be a good way forward
We have 3 guards who can make plays and pass (call them point guards or let them seem themselves as point guards or not its irrelevant) and a system that in its infancy seems to be a good way forward
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
Exactly, I dont really care if hes labeled a PG or not. I know what hes capable of. I just wanted to see why flyjay dosent think he deserves a PG status if we were to label.
Bibby wasnt even considered a PG, yet he played one his whole career, so its all irrelevant in my comparison. Gotta read between the labels my friends.
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Vlade4GM
All-Star
so what would make him a PG in your eyes? Jimmer himself says hes a PG.[/QUOTE]
So? He can call himself whatever the hell he wants, it doesn't mean he's right. I'm not saying he is or isn't, but calling himself that doesn't really mean much. A 6'2 player is always going to call themselves a PG.
The PG/SG debate wouldn't exist if this team didn't have a PG problem for the last 5 or so years. Ever since Bibby left, there has been inconsistency at best at that spot. When you've lost for so many consecutive seasons, been bottom of the league for three straight years, and all this time the one constant glaring weakness is PG then any new player that is involved in that role is going to be involved in that issue.
Basically, the team needs the hole filled and people will want to fill it with players when it may not be fair to try to fill that hole with said player. See: It's not fair to force Reke into a PG role, but the team has done it because its such a gaping hole.
Basically, the team needs the hole filled and people will want to fill it with players when it may not be fair to try to fill that hole with said player. See: It's not fair to force Reke into a PG role, but the team has done it because its such a gaping hole.
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
So? He can call himself whatever the hell he wants, it doesn't mean he's right. I'm not saying he is or isn't, but calling himself that doesn't really mean much. A 6'2 player is always going to call themselves a PG.[/QUOTE]
cool, not gonna argue over anythign that stupid.
TehSwimGuy
Bench
Peja was always being ribbed for not being able to play D for ****, and he was in the starting lineup for Sac for eons. Not a PG, but still, evaluating based on whether he was asked to play D or not...
But trying not to sound trollish, I'm going to ask this bluntly. How can you straight up be dumb enough to state that Jimmer "surprised you and that you didn't think a guy like him would cut it?". And then say that although his college record would say otherwise, you just don't know how it would be in the NBA, and then say your mind has been somewhat changed by one game?
Sheesh. People like you are what's wrong with America. Instant results/gratification/progress. You're not going to know how he fairs in the NBA until the season is partway through, or even already over. Your're not going to know from one, or two, or three games. So just cool your jets and wait before you determine what sort of player he is.
Well even Bibby flourshied on a team where the big men facilitated the offense a big chunk of the time. Bibby was never the consumate PG if you really watched. Bibby was about a 5 assist 2.5 turnover guy in the Kings best years.
Give me a team that averages 9-10 more assists per a game than turnovers any day over one player that will get you 8 or 9 a night. Jimmer had a 4 assists to 1 turnover night his first time on the floor. Get the other 7 or 8 guys touching the ball to do about a 2 to 1 ratio and the offense will never be a problem.
Give me a team that averages 9-10 more assists per a game than turnovers any day over one player that will get you 8 or 9 a night. Jimmer had a 4 assists to 1 turnover night his first time on the floor. Get the other 7 or 8 guys touching the ball to do about a 2 to 1 ratio and the offense will never be a problem.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Since I'm coming to this conversation late I'm sure someone has already addressed this. But I have to ask. Why do you think he's not a PG? I mean he played PG in highschool and all four years of college. So I'm a little confused as to why you wouldn't think he is one. Because he can shoot the ball? Sometimes I almost think its a bad thing if a PG in college is a good shooter. Almost immediately the pundits start labeling him as a shoot first PG. Or a SG in a PG's body.
And why do you think he's unathletic. He's certainly not a freak, or above average athlete, but he's certainly a decent to good athlete. Funny how no one ever mentions Curry's athleticism, or susposed lack there of, anymore. But Curry is a good comparison, and one that I've used before. Fredette's biggest weakness, at least for while, will be defense. Even players that played good defense in college usually struggle for a while. But with Fredette, a player that was basicly asked not to play defense so as to stay out of foul trouble, its going to take longer, just for him to become adequate. It won't happen overnight.
Give him some time, and you'll have somemore surprises coming.
Unathletic?
I don't know why people are calling Jimmer unathletic. Dude is way more athletic than Bibby. The height he gets on his jumper is stellar, the guy can change directions or pull up on a dime and he hits turnarounds. And he makes it look easy. I don't know of a definition of athlete that Jimmer wouldn't fit. I should probably mention, the dude is a pro athlete.
His basketball IQ is also off the charts. He is going to average almost 3 assists/game to Demarcus Cousins alone. But he needs to learn how to play defense, just like 95% of the rookies that come into the NBA.
Peace
I don't know why people are calling Jimmer unathletic. Dude is way more athletic than Bibby. The height he gets on his jumper is stellar, the guy can change directions or pull up on a dime and he hits turnarounds. And he makes it look easy. I don't know of a definition of athlete that Jimmer wouldn't fit. I should probably mention, the dude is a pro athlete.
His basketball IQ is also off the charts. He is going to average almost 3 assists/game to Demarcus Cousins alone. But he needs to learn how to play defense, just like 95% of the rookies that come into the NBA.
Peace
Jimmer scored 21 points on 7-11 shooting... now ask yourself how many points he could have scored if he really wanted to. The kid scores almost literally at will, and while he's at it, he will get other players open shots as well. I see that many of you know nothing more about Jimmer beyond what you saw in highlight reels that only showed his 3-point shots... I guess I'll just have to allow some of you more time to realize what kind of a player Jimmer is.
A PG is a leader, ball handler, passer, qb on the floor etc. I dont see that from Jimmer, I see a scorer/shooter who can create for others at times. I dont want him bringing the ball up against a press etc. Nash, D Williams, Paul those are PG's. Unless your team runs the triangle and has a superstar (Jordan and Kobe) you need PG play of some sort. Thats one of the main reasons Miami failed last year and will probably fail again this year.
Not worth arguing over though. Hopefully it wont matter. Maybe Tyreke has evolved enough to handle it.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I'll tell you the main thing that surprised me in that game. He missed a couple of freethrows in a row. Remember it, because you probably won't see again for a long time. He shot 90% from the freethrow line in college.
