players to stay away from??
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Aenadin
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4th.. jennings,thabeet,jrue holiday. jennings has put up good numbers in our workouts but so did quincy douby before and look how he turned out.. im saying with the antics that jennings has been on and twittering about other draft mates. confidence or no you dont do that.. hes just going to be another distraction
the case of thabeet.. sure defensive rebounding, shot blocking and size but thats just about it other than that your better spending the MLE on some other center
jrue holiday on the other hand it will be a REACH if we pick him at 4th..
the 23rd and 31st i dont know who to avoid.. i guess duplicating picks i mean if you draft a point at the 4 dont go draftinganother one with the 23rd or 31st unless you can manage to trade it for extra goodies
the case of thabeet.. sure defensive rebounding, shot blocking and size but thats just about it other than that your better spending the MLE on some other center
jrue holiday on the other hand it will be a REACH if we pick him at 4th..
the 23rd and 31st i dont know who to avoid.. i guess duplicating picks i mean if you draft a point at the 4 dont go draftinganother one with the 23rd or 31st unless you can manage to trade it for extra goodies
Dreadnought
Bench
I agree with avoiding Jrue Holiday, but I disagree with disregarding Brandon Jennings, I personally think he is a good player. And I DEFINITELY disagree with you about disregarding Thabeet. If Rubio is off the board and by some chance Thabeet is still there, you WILL take Thabeet.
keep dreaming
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Thabeet isn't that good a rebounder..
kingsnation
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GeraldWallace#3
Bench
#4-Holiday
#23 Daye, Cassipi
#31 Don't care
Jennings is a great point guard and if all else fails and Rubio is off the board you take him or Evans or Flynn.
I have no idea why you guys are wailing on Thabeet. He fills a big vacancy on our roster spot that we hadn't had filled in years......A DEFENSIVE MINDED BIG
Stay away from Holiday 4 is way to high for an average point guard at best.
Stay away for Daye, his combine numbers scared me, I do not want another slow unathletic weak player on this team.
Stay away from Cassipi. Wouldn't fit our team at all, we already have Noc, Garcia, Greene and in a couple years whenhe decides to come back to the NBA to the team that drafted him we will possibly still have Noc, Garcia, and Greene.
#23 Daye, Cassipi
#31 Don't care
Jennings is a great point guard and if all else fails and Rubio is off the board you take him or Evans or Flynn.
I have no idea why you guys are wailing on Thabeet. He fills a big vacancy on our roster spot that we hadn't had filled in years......A DEFENSIVE MINDED BIG
Stay away from Holiday 4 is way to high for an average point guard at best.
Stay away for Daye, his combine numbers scared me, I do not want another slow unathletic weak player on this team.
Stay away from Cassipi. Wouldn't fit our team at all, we already have Noc, Garcia, Greene and in a couple years whenhe decides to come back to the NBA to the team that drafted him we will possibly still have Noc, Garcia, and Greene.
kingsnation
All-Star
I agree with your 4. That is waaaay to high for him, and I will be extremely frustrated if we take him there.
At 23, I disagree. Daye - I'm on the fence. But with Cassipi, I would love to pick him there.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
People say that, but he was one of the best rebounders in the country last year at 10.9rebs a game in 31min. Its really all about that size -- I think he often has shaky form in there, but that's actually probably a good sign for the future. If you are relatively new to the game and can average 10rebs a game on physical ability alone, you might be able to improve further as you learn technique (as opposed to somebody who has perfect technique but is not going to get any bigger and so is maxed out).
On the remainder of the topic, Thabeet remains one of my top 2 guys I want out of this draft -- in a draft without special players the next best thing is I want somebody with a special talent -- Rubio (passing), Thabeet (shotblocking) -- but the guys who are scary are:
Atttide/Intangibles/Red Flags: Jennings, DeRozan, Mullens, maybe Daye for softness, maybe Teague
Limited upside: Hansbrough, Collison, Lawson
What do people see in him: Holiday
And yet I would almost guarantee that somebody on those lists will turn out to be a great pick.
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Vlade4GM
All-Star
He doesn't have good hands, he doesn't have good core strength, and he doesn't have good balance. I think he's going to have problems boxing out and rebounding in traffic, he's going to have to be a high activity guy to make up for a lot of his defficiencies, and he never struck me as an especially active player. He can be a good rebounder just on his length and leaping ability, but I doubt he'll be a great rebounder.
No to Jennings at #4. He's too much of a me first hot dog.
At #23 I wouldn't take Daye or Budinger if they were there. Daye is just too skinny. He has some skills but he would get pushed out to the half court line before he could get a shot off. Budinger is a jump shooter,period. Way too soft.
At #31 I would stay away from Josh Heytvelt. Good size and can shoot a little from outside, but had some outside issues and disapeared too often.
At #23 I wouldn't take Daye or Budinger if they were there. Daye is just too skinny. He has some skills but he would get pushed out to the half court line before he could get a shot off. Budinger is a jump shooter,period. Way too soft.
At #31 I would stay away from Josh Heytvelt. Good size and can shoot a little from outside, but had some outside issues and disapeared too often.
Grawlix
G-League
I'm actually not opposed to picking Thabeet or Harden with #4 and then Ty Lawson with #23. There are some good PG prospects late in the first round (Lawson, Calathes, Mills, possibly Maynor) so we can still get a quality PG. Plus, PG's are easier to acquire in free agency (Sessions) than defensive 7 footers. Also, don't forget about the possibility of John Wall next year.
I'd give Jennings the thumbs down at #4 due to uncertainties and annoying little red flags. I'd give Holiday the thumbs down at #4 because that's just too early for him. Nobody else we seem to be seriously considering for #4 bothers me. I'd take either Rubio or Thabeet in a heartbeat.
At #23 and #31, this question's too hard to answer, because I wouldn't consider half of the available candidates, and if I spent an hour detailing my answer, anyone reading it would die of boredom.
At #23 and #31, this question's too hard to answer, because I wouldn't consider half of the available candidates, and if I spent an hour detailing my answer, anyone reading it would die of boredom.
I'd be really happy with that as well, but I think Lawson's going to go quite a bit earlier. Based on numbers alone, he is Rubio's biggest rival as a true PG, and I think that's going to matter on draft night.
Arby's Roast Beef
Starter
#4--Jrue Holiday, Jonny Flynn, DeMar DeRozan, Jordan Hill
#23--Tyler Hansbrough, Chase Budinger, Jonas Jerebko, Sam Young, Wayne Ellington
#31--Toney Douglas, Jeff Pendergraph, Josh Heytvelt
#23--Tyler Hansbrough, Chase Budinger, Jonas Jerebko, Sam Young, Wayne Ellington
#31--Toney Douglas, Jeff Pendergraph, Josh Heytvelt
=LarryLegend=
Starter
#4 if no Rubio, Flynn or Holiday
#23 someone who falls, Casspi
#31 BPA
#23 someone who falls, Casspi
#31 BPA
Kingster
Hall of Famer
I agree. To be a good rebounder you have to get rebs away from the immediate area that you're in. And Thabeet doesn't show that.
MassachusettsKingsFan
All-Star
Its hard to say, really. This draft is about as hard to predict as any.
A lot of people are saying they dont like Daye, but I would be thrilled to get him with our later picks.
The only thing I can say for sure is that I dont want a player who is injury prone or undersized. The big names im talking about are Lawson and Evans. Lawson because He seems fragile and Evans because I think he is an undersized SG.
A lot of people are saying they dont like Daye, but I would be thrilled to get him with our later picks.
The only thing I can say for sure is that I dont want a player who is injury prone or undersized. The big names im talking about are Lawson and Evans. Lawson because He seems fragile and Evans because I think he is an undersized SG.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
And again,comments like these raise a real question of whetehr you watched him play this season. That's not his problem at all. In fact for a player his size he is EXCELLENT at getting rebounds out of his area. He chases them into the corner, he picks up many of them in scramble situations. That is NOT the problem, if there is a problem at all with the #11 rebounder in the country last year. The problem would be that he does not always get all the ones he should IN his area. That he does not have great form blocking out and seems to get out of position (partially due to the shotblocking) and has to use his length and jumping ability to go back and recover for rebounds you think he would just gobble naturally.
Of course if he did all those things then he probbaly would have averaged 15 rebs a game and we coudl restrict ourselves to complaints about his core strength and jumper.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
I don't recall him getting rebs 15' away from the basket, but I'll take your word for it. What do you think the chances are of Petrie choosing him - about one in twenty?
CruzDude
Senior Member sharing a brew with bajaden
At #4: stay away from Jennings (HE is the all hype guy not Rubio and hasn't shown anyone anything about making a team better or defending NBA types. ESPN got him right being an Iverson type: short, always looking for his shot), Thabeet (at 7-3 in college he just needs to stand there to get 10 reb/gm and is he a liability on offense with a young team?), DeRozan (attitude, etc)
At 23 & 31: really no one to stay away from here rather get a tough player-rebounder-scorer like Cassipi or Hansbrough and maybe one of the PG's to be a 12/13 on the bench or at least an athletic type who brings a 12/6/3 every night.
At 23 & 31: really no one to stay away from here rather get a tough player-rebounder-scorer like Cassipi or Hansbrough and maybe one of the PG's to be a 12/13 on the bench or at least an athletic type who brings a 12/6/3 every night.
Section 101
All-Star
From Hollingers chat today, and I agree.
Mike (Milpitas, CA)
Isn't thabeet a bust in waiting? The guy did nothing in college while being so much taller. He's going to get crushed by guys his own size now, right?
John Hollinger
Draft Rater sees him as a competent, but hardly outstanding center. Generally if a 7-foot-plus center is a top three pick there's a good chance he'll turn out pretty good, and any later he's almost certain to be a stiff. We've had a couple exceptions (Kaman, Bynum), but that's the general rule.
And for those wondering Lawson rated #1, Griffin #2, Evans #3. (rubio wasnt included)
Mike (Milpitas, CA)
Isn't thabeet a bust in waiting? The guy did nothing in college while being so much taller. He's going to get crushed by guys his own size now, right?
John Hollinger
Draft Rater sees him as a competent, but hardly outstanding center. Generally if a 7-foot-plus center is a top three pick there's a good chance he'll turn out pretty good, and any later he's almost certain to be a stiff. We've had a couple exceptions (Kaman, Bynum), but that's the general rule.
And for those wondering Lawson rated #1, Griffin #2, Evans #3. (rubio wasnt included)
