Phoenix vs. SA - Conf. Finals

Lol! Nash travels all the time when he's cut off, and Amare is switching his pivot foot on every move to the basket. The refs in the NBA suck and are biased when they make calls... whether it's a timing thing to make the game(or series) closer, or a personal vendetta, the refs in the NBA are very inconsistant and outright biased at times, Depending on the crew you don't know from game to game which team is going to get the calls. One thing you can count on is suspect/outright bad calls that could very well decide the game every night. Don't believe me? Just watch tonights game.....
 
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It's certainly interesting to listen to each team's radio broadcast. The Suns' guys are calling for travels on Duncan, Parker and Manu just about every time those guys are in the lane, and the Spurs' guys pose the same questions about Nash and Amare.
 
KKSloga said:
Kobe and Shaq never beat this current squad. This current squad has not even reached its peak yet with Ginobili and Parker. They beat the crap San Antonio squads that Sacramento would have killed. They won last year through a miracle shot and a choke job by the Spurs.
The crap San Antonio squads that won 2 titles, eh? And then you follow up "Kobe and Shaq never beat..." with "They won last year...".
 
6th said:
ROFLOL!!!!

From now on I shall refer to Manu as NOSE. I really dislike him. He does more travelling and flopping than anyone. His flops are so stupid looking and exaggerated that they are disgusting.
Have you seen that Dr. J commercial with Manu and Toni? Manu is scary looking. I'm convinced he's some kind of were-man. Not quite a werewolf, but more like a wererat.

I couldn't believe the refs didn't call him for that behind-the-back drive to the rim at the end of one of the games in Phx. He just bears his head down and goes to the rim like a running back.
 
Folsom Al said:
The announcers (with their access to TRIVIAL FACTS), have been saying "NO TEAM HAS EVER COME BACK FROM BEING DOWN 0-3 TO WIN THE WCF" ....

My question is this .... has a team ever come back to tie it up 3-3 after being down 0-3 ???
It's only happened 3-4 times in any playoff round. None of those teams won, however, I don't know if any of the teams that made the comeback had Gm7 on their home court.
 
Gargamel said:
I couldn't believe the refs didn't call him for that behind-the-back drive to the rim at the end of one of the games in Phx. He just bears his head down and goes to the rim like a running back.
Call him for what? He uses that same footwork on a lot of his drives. Did so his rookie season too and wasn't called for a travel very often. Why don't they just call it, if its that obvious?

Why do the refs let any players travel (not just Ginobili)?
 
Gargamel said:
The crap San Antonio squads that won 2 titles, eh? And then you follow up "Kobe and Shaq never beat..." with "They won last year...".
I remember the Lakers beating a lot of crappy teams along the way to some of their titles. With the exception of Por 2000, and Sac 2002, every team they beat was weaker than any of the elite teams playing right now.
 
Nikos said:
I remember the Lakers beating a lot of crappy teams along the way to some of their titles. With the exception of Por 2000, and Sac 2002, every team they beat was weaker than any of the elite teams playing right now.
Not intending to hijack this thread, but which elite team has ever not played weak teams along the road to the Finals? Also, are you calling the Spurs of 2001 and 2002 crappy? Either of those Spurs squads would've taken out this year's Suns. No team with Duncan and Robinson and a top-3 defense is crappy. That's just revisionist history at its best, sorry.
 
Nikos said:
Call him for what? He uses that same footwork on a lot of his drives. Did so his rookie season too and wasn't called for a travel very often. Why don't they just call it, if its that obvious?

Why do the refs let any players travel (not just Ginobili)?
The refs don't call travelling because they don't call travelling. There's your answer.
 
Robinson wasn't healthy in either 01 or 02. Look at his numbers and how many games he missed in 2002 playoffs.

Spurs beating the Lakers of 03 is shrugged off, but who did the Lakers beat that ever sniffed the NBA finals? They beat teams that were not only inferior in talent, but had very little experience at the time of playing them.
 
Gargamel said:
The refs don't call travelling because they don't call travelling. There's your answer.
If plenty of players travel, and they don't call it anyway, then why mention it?

Whats the reason they don't call it?
 
Nikos said:
Robinson wasn't healthy in either 01 or 02. Look at his numbers and how many games he missed in 2002 playoffs.

Spurs beating the Lakers of 03 is shrugged off, but who did the Lakers beat that ever sniffed the NBA finals? They beat teams that were not only inferior in talent, but had very little experience at the time of playing them.
Oh, gee, more revisions. Why should I be surprised that you focused on Robinson to downgrade that SA squad which had twin towers, top 3 defense, was the #1 seed overall in 2001, and had the 2002 MVP. Tell me which other team beat the Spurs in the playoffs when Duncan was healthy? Think hard about that one.

"Very little experience" = Spurs squads with title experience, the 2000 Blazers lead by the guy with 200 playoff games and 6 titles under his belt, and the 2002 Kings who had home court advantage and about 4 years with the same core of players. Gotcha.
 
Gargamel said:
Oh, gee, more revisions. Why should I be surprised that you focused on Robinson to downgrade that SA squad which had twin towers, top 3 defense, was the #1 seed overall in 2001, and had the 2002 MVP. Tell me which other team beat the Spurs in the playoffs when Duncan was healthy? Think hard about that one.

"Very little experience" = Spurs squads with title experience, the 2000 Blazers lead by the guy with 200 playoff games and 6 titles under his belt, and the 2002 Kings who had home court advantage and about 4 years with the same core of players. Gotcha.
As I said the Kings of 02 and Blazers of 00 were good.

But in 2001 the best team they played was an injured Spurs with an injured DA, Drob, and whose best role players were about 36-37 years old.

Sorry but in 2001 they played some weak teams. If 'revisionist' is what you want to call it thats fine by me. But I still say the teams they played were weak. Philly? Portland? Sacto was OK that year, but not experienced enough, not near the team they were in the following season.

Ironically the best Laker team was in 2000, but they didn't dominate like in 2001. Not sure why they didn't do better, but that was the best Laker team IMO. Shaq was dominant, Kobe was solid, and the team played their best defense they have ever played.
 
Gargamel said:
I told you. They don't call it because they don't call it.
I don't understand this comment, are you trying to be funny? Witty?

What travels do they not call, what makes your perceived non-calls travels? Is it because of the all star or solid offensive players treatment? Why do the refs swallow their whistles on these obvious travel calls?
 
Nikos said:
I don't understand this comment, are you trying to be funny? Witty?
That's okay. I didn't understand your comment either. What we have here is failure to communicate.

What travels do they not call, what makes your perceived non-calls travels? Is it because of the all star or solid offensive players treatment? Why do the refs swallow their whistles on these obvious travel calls?
They just refuse to call blatant travels at times, that's all I'm saying. I don't know why, they just do.

I want to know what makes the 2002 Kings just okay instead of really good. What did I miss about them that season?
 
Since the communication barrier isn't open -- lets start with what you said. Why was Ginobili's near end of the game play a travel?
 
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Nikos said:
Does he take 3 steps often?
Yes, he also flops a lot. Six (6th) has already agreed with that assessment. Sorry if you were being serious. I assumed you were joking about what constitutes travelling so I took your question as sarcasm.
 
What I don't get is, with Ginobili being so unorthodox and very deliberate with every single long stride/step he takes, why wouldn't they call him for traveling all the time?

I remember him taking that Euro Two Step (2 1/2 steps, with the first step, the half one coming during the dribble before it hits the ground) when he first came in the league.

And he wasn't really called for the travel then either? Why does he get so much respect from the refs? His steps aren't exactly subtle, they are very deliberate and obvious. 3 full steps is 3 full steps. Especially more obvious when the strides are slow, and not coming off the fast break (aka like Pippen used to do and seem to take 4-5 steps, then dunk the ball).
 
Folsom Al said:
The announcers (with their access to TRIVIAL FACTS), have been saying "NO TEAM HAS EVER COME BACK FROM BEING DOWN 0-3 TO WIN THE WCF" ....

My question is this .... has a team ever come back to tie it up 3-3 after being down 0-3 ???
In the finals of 1951 I believe the New York Knicks came back from a 0-3 deficit to force a game 7 but they eventually lost the series and the championship to the Rochester Royals, who are now our beloved Sacramento Kings.