Phil Jackson new Lakers coach!
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VF21 said:
You're assuming the goal is to get Kobe and PJ to get along. WHAT IF, on the other hand, the goal is to rebuild and start getting offers for Kobe?
Hmmmmmmmmmm?????
Hey, it's LA. I'm just glad they've got some of the drama back - and it's new episodes and not just reruns.
Hmmmmmmmmmm?????
Hey, it's LA. I'm just glad they've got some of the drama back - and it's new episodes and not just reruns.
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This has got to be the worst decision phil jacksons ever made. I know he's been critisized for having major talent during his championship runs and he wants to prove everyone wrong, but com on'. He signs a 3 year deal. 3 years in which I think will all be "rebuilding" years. I hate the lakers, so it might just seem that I'm jealous at the fact that they got phil, but this seriously will not work. He should've gone to cleavland at least. With the possibility of larry brown becoming GM of the cavs after this year, it would've been great for the cavs and lebron.
Phil jackson has officially lost all of his respect and credibility. How can you bash and bash and bash on someone, and after one year you're already coaching that person again.
I've also heard from a sporstcaster named lee "hacksaw" hamilton that the lakers have a plan to ship caron butler, lamar odom, and the 10th pick for guess who. KEVIN GARNETT. If this happens, just have the burial ground ready for me, cause I will commit suicide.
Phil jackson has officially lost all of his respect and credibility. How can you bash and bash and bash on someone, and after one year you're already coaching that person again.
I've also heard from a sporstcaster named lee "hacksaw" hamilton that the lakers have a plan to ship caron butler, lamar odom, and the 10th pick for guess who. KEVIN GARNETT. If this happens, just have the burial ground ready for me, cause I will commit suicide.
ONEZERO - Not a bad decision on Phil's part in any way, shape or form IMHO. The handwriting is one the wall - Dr. Buss has sent a message saying he's putting his faith for the future of his team in the hands of the august Mr. Jackson.
How do you know who he did and didn't consider? And, more importantly, how do you know what were major factors in his decision process? I do not like Phil Jackson but he's nobody's fool. For all we know, this well could have been his plan all along. Leave the Lakers for a year, let Kobe fall flat on his face, and then he (PJ) could come back in triumph, welcomed joyfully by the Laker fans.
How do you know who he did and didn't consider? And, more importantly, how do you know what were major factors in his decision process? I do not like Phil Jackson but he's nobody's fool. For all we know, this well could have been his plan all along. Leave the Lakers for a year, let Kobe fall flat on his face, and then he (PJ) could come back in triumph, welcomed joyfully by the Laker fans.
The point is that it's not whether or not we can see what is planned for the Lakers future. What I'm trying to say is that I'm pretty sure Jackson has a plan, and I think it could well be something he's had in mind for a while.
Who knows? It could be as simple as Phil wanting to prove he can take a non-playoff team and rebuild them into a dynasty ... It's one of those ego things that he just might feel a need to pursue.
Who knows? It could be as simple as Phil wanting to prove he can take a non-playoff team and rebuild them into a dynasty ... It's one of those ego things that he just might feel a need to pursue.
This chapter could only be written in L.A.
Jim McCurdie / FOXSports.com
Posted: 3 hours ago
Phil and Kobe together again?
Why? Because it was all just a big misunderstanding before? Because no matter what you may have read (or who may have written it), these crazy kids really do love each other, and isn't that all that matters? Because Shaq's out of the picture, so things will be much different the second time around?
Because longtime Laker season ticket holders threatened to cancel if their beloved Zen Master wasn't reinstalled as their team's leader?
What is this? Some high-powered college program with boosters calling the shots? What next? Double-secret probation?
The Lakers have once again turned to Phil Jackson to reverse the sagging fortunes of their once-thriving basketball operation. Turns out that trading one of the most dominant players in NBA history for two mildly productive small forwards and a bag of basketballs wasn't such a good idea, and now Jackson will ride in on his white horse, preach the gospel of The Triangle, and make everything all right again.
But first, there's the little matter of the rather ugly divorce between Jackson and Kobe Bryant after the Lakers were unceremoniously dumped by the Pistons in the 2004 NBA Finals. Kobe stayed, Shaq and Phil were shown the door, and Jackson went on to publish a book that took several loads of dirty Laker laundry out of the locker room and into the public eye.
There were several passages in Jackson's The Last Season: A Team in Search of Its Soul that were less than flattering in their characterization of Bryant. But this one, detailing the escalation of the Lakers' Family Feud in January 2004, pretty much says it all:
On the subject of losing Kobe, I wonder once again whether our relationship has deteriorated beyond repair. Earlier this week at El Segundo there was an incident at practice. On the way to the court, I asked Kobe, still nursing a sore shoulder, if he was up to doing a little running. Sure, he responded, as soon as he finished his treatment. Almost an hour went by, and there was no Kobe sighting. Finally, with an ice pack on his shoulder, he took a seat on the sideline.
It began to dawn on me that contrary to what he had told me, Kobe had no intention of running. After practice I followed Kobe to the training room, asking him why he lied to me. He was being sarcastic, he said. Wrong answer. I wasn't in the mood. Believe me, I can't begin to imagine how difficult this whole ordeal has been for Kobe, but that doesn't mean I will allow myself to be the recipient of his displaced anger, especially when I've been firmly on his side since the Colorado story broke.
Now I was the one who was angry. I went upstairs to see Mitch in his office. Wasting no time, I went off on a tirade about the need to deal Kobe before the trading deadline in mid-February. "I won't coach this team next year if he is still here," I said emphatically. "He won't listen to anyone. I've had it with this kid."
Hmmm ... just how does one go about rebuilding a bridge after setting it ablaze, without coming off as a complete hypocrite?
The once-proud Laker franchise is now a bad reality show. Bringing Phil back into the house is sure to add to the drama, and that may be good for ratings. But will it produce better basketball?
Phil Jackson has a beautiful collection of rings, but has he taken a good look at the mismatched collection of talent and slice of salary-cap hell that is the Laker roster?
Their divorce has been final for less than a year, but Phil Jackson and Kobe Bryant are together again. (LUCY NICHOLSON / Getty Images)
The Clippers and Grizzlies won more games than the Lakers last season. This Laker team was last seen mailing in six consecutive losses to close the season, losing 19 of its last 21 games, and finishing in a tie with the Warriors for last place in the Pacific Division.
It's going to take a lot more than a mid-level exception and a low lottery pick to clean up this mess. Think teams will be lining up to take Brian Grant's ridiculously large contract off the Lakers' hands? Think again. There are club execs out there absolutely delighting in the Lakers' miseries, and quietly enjoying the prospect of prolonging them as long as possible.
And Jackson, whose arrogance has irked more than one opposing coach and GM over the years, doesn't exactly have a bunch of goodwill points built up.
It's been widely reported that Jackson is enamored with the skills of Lamar Odom, and that Odom's presence on the roster was enough to help Jackson overlook some of the other obvious shortcomings in Lakerland.
Jackson isn't the first coach to be seduced by Odom in this way. The trouble is, Odom hasn't delivered the goods during his six seasons in the NBA, and he won't in Jackson's triangle, either.
Odom teases you with flashes of eye-popping ability, then disappears for a week. You can see a little coach-killer in him, but you can't see the kind of burning desire to become the kind of player who can make an average team better, or a good team great. And, long before his shoulder injury last season, his discomfort in trying to play in the same lineup with Bryant was there for all to see. So good luck with that, Phil, and with mending all those fences and lugging all that baggage back to L.A. If it doesn't work out, I'm sure we'll read all about it.
Jim McCurdie / FOXSports.com
Posted: 3 hours ago
Phil and Kobe together again?
Why? Because it was all just a big misunderstanding before? Because no matter what you may have read (or who may have written it), these crazy kids really do love each other, and isn't that all that matters? Because Shaq's out of the picture, so things will be much different the second time around?
Because longtime Laker season ticket holders threatened to cancel if their beloved Zen Master wasn't reinstalled as their team's leader?
What is this? Some high-powered college program with boosters calling the shots? What next? Double-secret probation?
The Lakers have once again turned to Phil Jackson to reverse the sagging fortunes of their once-thriving basketball operation. Turns out that trading one of the most dominant players in NBA history for two mildly productive small forwards and a bag of basketballs wasn't such a good idea, and now Jackson will ride in on his white horse, preach the gospel of The Triangle, and make everything all right again.
But first, there's the little matter of the rather ugly divorce between Jackson and Kobe Bryant after the Lakers were unceremoniously dumped by the Pistons in the 2004 NBA Finals. Kobe stayed, Shaq and Phil were shown the door, and Jackson went on to publish a book that took several loads of dirty Laker laundry out of the locker room and into the public eye.
There were several passages in Jackson's The Last Season: A Team in Search of Its Soul that were less than flattering in their characterization of Bryant. But this one, detailing the escalation of the Lakers' Family Feud in January 2004, pretty much says it all:
On the subject of losing Kobe, I wonder once again whether our relationship has deteriorated beyond repair. Earlier this week at El Segundo there was an incident at practice. On the way to the court, I asked Kobe, still nursing a sore shoulder, if he was up to doing a little running. Sure, he responded, as soon as he finished his treatment. Almost an hour went by, and there was no Kobe sighting. Finally, with an ice pack on his shoulder, he took a seat on the sideline.
It began to dawn on me that contrary to what he had told me, Kobe had no intention of running. After practice I followed Kobe to the training room, asking him why he lied to me. He was being sarcastic, he said. Wrong answer. I wasn't in the mood. Believe me, I can't begin to imagine how difficult this whole ordeal has been for Kobe, but that doesn't mean I will allow myself to be the recipient of his displaced anger, especially when I've been firmly on his side since the Colorado story broke.
Now I was the one who was angry. I went upstairs to see Mitch in his office. Wasting no time, I went off on a tirade about the need to deal Kobe before the trading deadline in mid-February. "I won't coach this team next year if he is still here," I said emphatically. "He won't listen to anyone. I've had it with this kid."
Hmmm ... just how does one go about rebuilding a bridge after setting it ablaze, without coming off as a complete hypocrite?
The once-proud Laker franchise is now a bad reality show. Bringing Phil back into the house is sure to add to the drama, and that may be good for ratings. But will it produce better basketball?
Phil Jackson has a beautiful collection of rings, but has he taken a good look at the mismatched collection of talent and slice of salary-cap hell that is the Laker roster?
The Clippers and Grizzlies won more games than the Lakers last season. This Laker team was last seen mailing in six consecutive losses to close the season, losing 19 of its last 21 games, and finishing in a tie with the Warriors for last place in the Pacific Division.
It's going to take a lot more than a mid-level exception and a low lottery pick to clean up this mess. Think teams will be lining up to take Brian Grant's ridiculously large contract off the Lakers' hands? Think again. There are club execs out there absolutely delighting in the Lakers' miseries, and quietly enjoying the prospect of prolonging them as long as possible.
And Jackson, whose arrogance has irked more than one opposing coach and GM over the years, doesn't exactly have a bunch of goodwill points built up.
It's been widely reported that Jackson is enamored with the skills of Lamar Odom, and that Odom's presence on the roster was enough to help Jackson overlook some of the other obvious shortcomings in Lakerland.
Jackson isn't the first coach to be seduced by Odom in this way. The trouble is, Odom hasn't delivered the goods during his six seasons in the NBA, and he won't in Jackson's triangle, either.
Odom teases you with flashes of eye-popping ability, then disappears for a week. You can see a little coach-killer in him, but you can't see the kind of burning desire to become the kind of player who can make an average team better, or a good team great. And, long before his shoulder injury last season, his discomfort in trying to play in the same lineup with Bryant was there for all to see. So good luck with that, Phil, and with mending all those fences and lugging all that baggage back to L.A. If it doesn't work out, I'm sure we'll read all about it.
That same basic trade was made for Shaq and was roundly considered lopsided in the Heat's favor. And that's considering that Shaq is on the downside of his career, was (is) asking for a two year extension for around $60 million dollar extension, and was dictating where he would go after demanding a trade.
KG is in his prime and hasn't demanded to be dealt. If the T'Wolves even considered such a deal the entire front office should lose their jobs tomorrow.
KG is in his prime and hasn't demanded to be dealt. If the T'Wolves even considered such a deal the entire front office should lose their jobs tomorrow.
Anyone just hear what Shaq said about this on ESPNews? He said that Phil would have been smarter had he taken the Kings head coaching job and had the opportunity to work with Bibby, Miller and Peja. At least hes on our side, and maybe he was right. He could just be saying that because he doesnt want his friend and coach Phil close to his enemy Kobe.