Petries job in doubt?

[Sac.1989]

Maloof said any reports the team is considering replacing basketball president Geoff Petrie are "totally false."

"Geoff's always been a part of the family," Maloof said. "We're in a rough stretch, but so what? Things will turn around."

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/02/01/4229793/kings-notes-gavin-maloof-expresses.html#storylink=cpy

 

[Sac.Kings]

Maloof said any reports the team is considering replacing basketball president Geoff Petrie are "totally false."

"Geoff's always been a part of the family," Maloof said. "We're in a rough stretch, but so what? Things will turn around."

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/02/01/4229793/kings-notes-gavin-maloof-expresses.html#storylink=cpy

This is criminal. So what? We have sucked for half a decade at an impressive rate thats what! I don't want to see sucking on a massive scale anymore. If you don't care kindly remove yourself so someone that does care can take your place

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

This is criminal. So what? We have sucked for half a decade at an impressive rate thats what! I don't want to see sucking on a massive scale anymore. If you don't care kindly remove yourself so someone that does care can take your place

This^^^

 

[King Baller]

I support GP just like how I did with Adelman base on track record/history/professionalism and characteristic. From what I see, I really like the two men.
I would be very disappointed if GP is booted and wouldn't be surprised if we end up going through 3-4 more GMs just to find a decent/average GM.

+1000% agreed. Good GM's do not grow on trees. Even the great ones have ups and downs. Lets let this team continue to grow and get to the softer part of their schedule and see what happens.

KB

 

[Padrino]

Maloof said any reports the team is considering replacing basketball president Geoff Petrie are "totally false."

"Geoff's always been a part of the family," Maloof said. "We're in a rough stretch, but so what? Things will turn around."

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/02/01/4229793/kings-notes-gavin-maloof-expresses.html#storylink=cpy

i tend to think that the maloofs are keeping petrie around not because he's "family," but because they're cash-strapped, and firing their gm for making moves influenced (directly, perhaps?) by that financial situation would be tremendously bad form. they know it, and he's been compliant, so they're not itching to make a change. they're also probably not itching to pay petrie and then hire a new gm. they already have to pay out what's left on westphal's contract this season in addition to what they game smart via promotion. granted, we're not talking about a lot here in nba terms, but the maloofs are broke, so i imagine every million counts...

 

[CruzDude]

Haven't we beaten this dead horse enough? Petrie is staying thru this year. Let's figure out how coach can get Kings to stop making so many dumm passes and TO's.

 

[VF21]

i tend to think that the maloofs are keeping petrie around not because he's "family," but because they're cash-strapped, and firing their gm for making moves influenced (directly, perhaps?) by that financial situation would be tremendously bad form. they know it, and he's been compliant, so they're not itching to make a change. they're also probably not itching to pay petrie and then hire a new gm. they already have to pay out what's left on westphal's contract this season in addition to what they game smart via promotion. granted, we're not talking about a lot here in nba terms, but the maloofs are broke, so i imagine every million counts...

What he said.

Haven't we beaten this dead horse enough? Petrie is staying thru this year. Let's figure out how coach can get Kings to stop making so many dumm passes and TO's.

AND what he said.

 

[Larry David]

Really? For the first time, the majority of the fans are coming to grips and talking about the fact that this franchise is perpetually screwed because our owners are both dumb and under funded by NBA standards. While there are a lot of problems, the team is bad because they have bad ownership. Most of the problems the Kings face stem from bad ownership.

Regardless of whether Petrie should stay are go, let’s just move on because our owners are either too stupid or too cheap to do the right thing? Instead, let’s focus on why a poorly constructed, underfunded, and completely dysfunctional team, on it’s fifth C- coach, is turning the ball over? Talk about rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

 

[VF21]

Really? For the first time, the majority of the fans are coming to grips and talking about the fact that this franchise is perpetually screwed because our owners are both dumb and under funded by NBA standards. While there are a lot of problems, the team is bad because they have bad ownership. Most of the problems the Kings face stem from bad ownership.

Regardless of whether Petrie should stay are go, let’s just move on because our owners are either too stupid or too cheap to do the right thing? Instead, let’s focus on why a poorly constructed, underfunded, and completely dysfunctional team, on it’s fifth C- coach, is turning the ball over? Talk about rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

We can come up with possible solutions to the turnover problem. Constantly bashing the Maloofs and/or Geoff Petrie is an exercise in futility. My opinion, for whatever you deem it worth - up to and including nothing, is that there are better things to talk about that don't always end up the same way. The Maloofs are cheap, Petrie is outdated, etc.

Hey, it's just my two cents. Take it, as I say, for whatever you like.

 

[bajaden]

What the!! There's a dead horse in front of my house! Damm!

 

[Glenn]

If we think we are solving any of the Kings' problems by what we discuss, we are delusional.

 

[Padrino]

If we think we are solving any of the Kings' problems by what we discuss, we are delusional.

well of course that's true. but being an armchair gm/owner/player/whatever is so much of what being a fan is all about. its what makes the internet such a revelation for sports fans. i think its true that we would be better served in our conversations by discussing what's on the court and what's not, and what should be done to address it relative to the actual game of basketball, rather than the politics of ownership. petrie's status as gm is certainly up for grabs, but we know that the maloofs are broke and that they've got petrie on a tight leash regarding what he can spend, until they prove otherwise. i hope that the maloofs decide to sell sometime in the near future, but there's not much else to say on the subject beyond that...

 

[VF21]

What the!! There's a dead horse in front of my house! Damm!

 

[kingsnation]

Until Petrie is finally gone, I plan on beating the crap out of the horse.

 

[The_Jamal]

After a long dry spell Petrie had done just about everything RIGHT for the first two years of the rebuild. I'm willing to stand by almost all of his moves from 09-11. But of course now he got the heat turned up on him by having a bad offseason at precisely the time we should have been set up for a good one.

Thing is that we were THIS close to having the opposite. It wouldn't have taken much of a tweak to fortunes. If you a) don't make the Salmons trade and kept Beno (in our control); b) we were in the running for Dalembert, if you get him; and c) we made an offer to Kirilenko, if he takes it...combined with the resinging of Thornton it would have been a perfect reasonable offseason. The one many of us were asking for. You coudl still have drafted Jimmer if you wanted. Or one of the other PGs or SFs. You cmight even still have gone out and used an MLE on Hayes maybe, although he would not be needed. But we were right in the running, had all the right names were attached to us in rumors. We just somehow did not get it done.

Not inventing names at all, not pie in the sky, but just stuff we were attached t and pursuing but failed to get we could easily have been this as a 14 man roster

Starters
C - 6'11" Dalembert
C/PF - 6'11" Cousins
SF - 6'11" Kirilenko
SG - 6'4" Thornton
PG/SG - 6'5" Evans
Bench
PF/C - 6'11" Thompson
PF - 6'9" Hickson
SF/PF - 6'11" Greene
SF/SG - 6'7" Garcia
SG/PG - 6'2" Fredette
PG/SG - 6'3" Udrih
PG - 5'9" Thomas
D-League
SF - 6'8" Honyecutt
C/PF - 7'0" Whiteside

And that's jsut so much stronger and better balanced than what we have. And it was right there. And Petrie apparently at least made some offers to Dalembert and Kirilenko...just all went wrong. the thing we don't know is if it went wrong because of us, because we wouldn't move the numbers large enough, or whether it wetn wrong because we're the Sacramento Kings, small market losing franchise with a moving van poised over our heads and maybe those guys just did not want to come. Of course obviously the Salmons mistake appears to duplicate Petrie's Nick Anderson error, seeing a guy for what he once was rather than he is now. And frankly liking him far too much for waht he once was anyway, since he was always going to be a questionable fit.

Of course maybe the biggest thing was just that Westphal had apparently lost the team before the season even started, or lost them by stupidly trying to institute a new systemless system right at the begining of the season. Its hard to assess that. We were playing better at the end of last year, having Westphal coach out the last year of his contract and get a full season to make Reke/Cousins/Thornton work did not seem completely unreasonable on its face. But it blew up so fast and so hard it makes you wonder if there weren't signs.

You hit it right on the head. Players simply don't want to sign here and frankly why should they? I was a bit shocked when Chuck signed here; he could have cracked any contenders rotation for close to the MLE.

Also on the Salmons deal: Absolutely NO ONE thought he would be this horrible. We all thought he would regress and be a bit of a chucker, but at least be solid defensively and be able to shoot threes at a decent clip.

 

[kingsnation]

Also on the Salmons deal: Absolutely NO ONE thought he would be this horrible..

You're right. Some of us KNEW he was going to be this bad.

 

[Bricklayer]

You hit it right on the head. Players simply don't want to sign here and frankly why should they? I was a bit shocked when Chuck signed here; he could have cracked any contenders rotation for close to the MLE.

I have wondered about that actually. there may be a very good reason contenders weren't bidding up Hayes -- namely that he is a 6'6" power guy, and that is not the way you normally win in the NBA. He may end up being be the sort of fallback guy lottery teams have to throw out there when they don't have true bigs. A modern Sam Mitchell.

 

[Rookie]

I wonder would Beno made a difference. I don't think losing Beno cost us anything...ppl can speculate all they want but even with him we still would be at the bottom. GP would still be blamed for not doing much.

Dally/AK would definitely help but being here just for the money isn't going to motivate them playing team BB...especially Dally. So I don't know...while it looks good on paper the motivation may not be there. Hayes and lately Salmons seem to have no problem playing their role.

the result is "currently" bad but I like the decision made. Beno was more of a gunner for us and with thornton/jimmer, we don't need another defensiveless gunner. Trading for Salmon made sense (defensively better than beno), however the concern was him being our fourth man and not trying to be the 2nd or main gunner. He starting to play that role recently and if Thornton start to be the player we expected him to be, this team will start being competetive. Still depend on Tyreke/Cousins but overall I'm still happy with the offseason. I would still love to have a decent big man but I don't think its worth paying huge amount for one when cousins/Evans development is still in question.

 

[Prince_XY]

If we think we are solving any of the Kings' problems by what we discuss, we are delusional.

I agree. And it's kind of funny when you see some fans write things in this board as if they know everything. They think they are all up high there with their knowledge of basketball. Some even thinks if they had played baseball, or even played basketball in high school and had played with some sorry NBA players, they already know everything about sports and they are always right and everyone else is wrong if others don't agree with their opinion.

Oh well, I guess a lot of fans here are just bored and there is nothing to do except visit this board and waste time.

 

[Glenn]

I agree. And it's kind of funny when you see some fans write things in this board as if they know everything. They think they are all up high there with their knowledge of basketball. Some even thinks if they had played baseball, or even played basketball in high school and had played with some sorry NBA players, they already know everything about sports and they are always right and everyone else is wrong if others don't agree with their opinion.

Oh well, I guess a lot of fans here are just bored and there is nothing to do except visit this board and waste time.

Let's be clear about what I meant: let's chatter away until the cows come home. It's fun for most of us. It is certainly fun for me. Let us act as if we are coaches and act as if we are GMs. We might even know better what to do than the people in these positions in the real world. I sure don't want anyone to think that this is a waste of time. It is entertaining.

As in the real world, some people DO know more than others and I honestly think there are a few posters here who know more than the some of the Kings organization. Maybe the entire Kings organization and for those of us who read, that is great. For those of us who want the Kings to win, it is a tad sad. Most who have such knowledge don't thump their chests and if they DO mention their experience, it is only to add crediblity to what they are saying.

I wish I hadn't made the comment except I was responding to another comment that appeared to state that discussing some aspects of the Kings was more important than others. My response was too impulsive. Although some topics are far more interesting to me than others, I don't want other people to be discouraged from discussing what they wish unless it crosses forum rules. Unless we are organizing to do something like FANS, let's have at it and discuss anything and everything that we can't realistically effect. What is interesting to some is not interesting to others but as most are mature adults, they can make their own choices as to what to read and what not to read.

And just a little item important to me: let's be nice to each other. I know it's difficult especially concerning topics that are important to a few and not to others. Just the same, what has made KingsFans great is the civility that usually exists. Usually. Can't be perfect.

I think I have over stepped some boundries and will shut up for now.

 

[Kingster]

Let's be clear about what I meant: let's chatter away until the cows come home. It's fun for most of us. It is certainly fun for me. Let us act as if we are coaches and act as if we are GMs. We might even know better what to do than the people in these positions in the real world. I sure don't want anyone to think that this is a waste of time. It is entertaining.

As in the real world, some people DO know more than others and I honestly think there are a few posters here who know more than the some of the Kings organization. Maybe the entire Kings organization and for those of us who read, that is great. For those of us who want the Kings to win, it is a tad sad. Most who have such knowledge don't thump their chests and if they DO mention their experience, it is only to add crediblity to what they are saying.

I wish I hadn't made the comment except I was responding to another comment that appeared to state that discussing some aspects of the Kings was more important than others. My response was too impulsive. Although some topics are far more interesting to me than others, I don't want other people to be discouraged from discussing what they wish unless it crosses forum rules. Unless we are organizing to do something like FANS, let's have at it and discuss anything and everything that we can't realistically effect. What is interesting to some is not interesting to others but as most are mature adults, they can make their own choices as to what to read and what not to read.

And just a little item important to me: let's be nice to each other. I know it's difficult especially concerning topics that are important to a few and not to others. Just the same, what has made KingsFans great is the civility that usually exists. Usually. Can't be perfect.

I think I have over stepped some boundries and will shut up for now.

Yes, it's obvious that no one individual is going to have an effect on the Kings org one way or another. It's not quite so clear, however, than large numbers of fans won't have an effect. I don't think it's just a coincidence that Maloofs come out with a vote of confidence for Petrie just when there are numerous posts on this board (and maybe others) for his head. At the very least, I think that the Maloofs have been forced to respond to a great number of comments by individuals who want Petrie to go. So, I do think that our comments in aggregate have at least some effect.

PS I can think of one example in particular where public opinion had an effect on Petrie - the drafting of Jason Williams. No doubt in my mind that he wouldn't have done it if there hadn't been a huge body of public opinion that wanted/demanded a point guard. Petrie drafted on the basis of need, not best player available, when he drafted J Will. Turns out it was one of the worst choices Petrie ever made, and he acknowledged it later. (That's the one where Paul Pierce or Nowitsky could have been taken).

 

[IfAt1st]

I wonder would Beno made a difference. I don't think losing Beno cost us anything...

wow....

...just wow.

 

[kennadog]

I have wondered about that actually. there may be a very good reason contenders weren't bidding up Hayes -- namely that he is a 6'6" power guy, and that is not the way you normally win in the NBA. He may end up being be the sort of fallback guy lottery teams have to throw out there when they don't have true bigs. A modern Sam Mitchell.

Well, he does like being close to his hometown of Modesto, CA. Compared to Modesto, Sacramento is the big city.

 

[mr. moustache]

wow....

...just wow.

Agreed. Jimmer's taking all of Beno's minutes and Beno provided much more to this team than Jimmer does(at this point). They both suck at defense, but Beno was a steadying force on offense and Jimmer's been anything but.

We would absolutely be a better team had we not done the Salmons/Beno trade, whether or not we reached for Jimmer, or picked up a different rookie.

 

[Rookie]

Agreed. Jimmer's taking all of Beno's minutes and Beno provided much more to this team than Jimmer does(at this point). They both suck at defense, but Beno was a steadying force on offense and Jimmer's been anything but.

We would absolutely be a better team had we not done the Salmons/Beno trade, whether or not we reached for Jimmer, or picked up a different rookie.

Beno was decent, definitely better than our younger PG (duh) but to say he would help this team developed and run a lot better is pure speculations. The FACT is over the past three years until Thornton/Dally came into play we suck with him and now we suck without him (but with more excuses: injuries, no practice, short season, more young players playing, a whole lot of new players with new coach..etc). You guys can speculate all you want but it's not fact. Near the end of the season last year we were doing well because Dally/Thornton was playing their heart out.

Losing him for Salmon isn't that big of a deal IMO, the problem is Salmon isn't playing to expectation but it's not over yet. I remember the biggest concern was he was going to hog all the ball (true under PW) but under Smart he starting to play his role and filled a gap we desperately need. With the limited knowledge that I have on the FA, I still think it was worth it. Dally was a bigger lost but not having him wanting to play here is big IMO, so I have no problem letting him go either.

"Better team"../sigh maybe look at our record with him around. Of course there are legit excuses as well but so is this season. But whatever..speculation is not fact...but go ahead.

 

[Posta Boy X]

I'm pretty sure getting rid of Petrie-Dish won't solve any problems whatsoever. It's my understanding that the disastrous offseason the Kings had this year and a few years prior was totally and completely due to broke-a** Maloofs not letting Petrie-Dish spend any money...cuz well...they don't really have any. A new GM won't solve any rebuilding issues we have unless the owners are able to cough up some cash to spend, and Magoofs simply don't have that.

At least Petrie is somewhat good at scoping out talented players in the draft..his replacement would likely suck at everything.

I'm pretty confident that Maloofs just want to save some money and hire someone who will cost them less money than Petrie

 

[King Baller]

We would absolutely be a better team had we not done the Salmons/Beno trade, whether or not we reached for Jimmer, or picked up a different rookie.

This would be true if basketball was all played on the offensive end. In the few wins the Kings have had Salmons has locked down his man on the defensive end. Who is going to defend Kobe and Wallace?

I like Beno but IT appears to have replaced him nicely. The Jimmer will find his way in time.

KB

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Agreed. Jimmer's taking all of Beno's minutes and Beno provided much more to this team than Jimmer does(at this point). They both suck at defense, but Beno was a steadying force on offense and Jimmer's been anything but.

We would absolutely be a better team had we not done the Salmons/Beno trade, whether or not we reached for Jimmer, or picked up a different rookie.

SMH... seriously? your actually going to compare beno to jimmer who is a rookie. beno has how many years in the league? he was the steadying force in san antonio which is why the let him go right. stack em against each other when its equal please.

 

[uolj]

SMH... seriously? your actually going to compare beno to jimmer who is a rookie. beno has how many years in the league? he was the steadying force in san antonio which is why the let him go right. stack em against each other when its equal please.

He's talking about how they affect the team right now. He even included "(at this point)" in the post.

 

[ArcoKings]

I'm pretty sure getting rid of Petrie-Dish won't solve any problems whatsoever. It's my understanding that the disastrous offseason the Kings had this year and a few years prior was totally and completely due to broke-a** Maloofs not letting Petrie-Dish spend any money...cuz well...they don't really have any. A new GM won't solve any rebuilding issues we have unless the owners are able to cough up some cash to spend, and Magoofs simply don't have that.

At least Petrie is somewhat good at scoping out talented players in the draft..his replacement would likely suck at everything.

I'm pretty confident that Maloofs just want to save some money and hire someone who will cost them less money than Petrie

I sure hope not. I think the Maloofs want to win BUT they can't spend the money that us fans are hoping they spend. Before any big names come into town and sign with the Kings the team is going to have to make the playoffs- at least be an 8th seed- for a few seasons and then the big names will take notice and say "I can help over there." Right now, as the team stands, there's no motivation for the stars to come- even money won't lure them here at least not yet. A new arena will definitely help. IMO, Petrie should stay until his contract expires.