Petries job in doubt?

[MizzouKing]

I agree completely. While Petrie isn't ideal, we're in an environment where replacing him could lead to worse outcomes.

Maybe the Ma-goofs will sell the team if the arena gets built. There are a lot of good competent potential owners who know something about success.

MK

There's always going to be some question in my mind about how much freedom Geoff has to do his job. If he's being restrained financially or asked to bring in players such as Jimmer or Salmons.

That said, while the team has drafted some significant talent, all other moves (free agency, re-signings, trades etc) have been handled poorly. And this team has been constructed in a haphazard way. If Tyreke and Cousins are the foundation then why not surround them with fitting role players who will play tough defense and unselfish offense while hitting open shots and rebounding? Instead you let a defensive anchor go and bring in more guys who need the ball in their hands to be effective. It is NOT a good team as currently constructed and that falls at the feet of the GM. So the objective viewpoint is that Petrie hasn't done his job adequately and there should be thought given to replacing him.

But the subjective viewpoint (mine at least) is that Geoff is at least competent and I don't trust the Maloofs not to screw things up completely with their choice for a replacement. I like Petrie even if I've questioned quite a few of his moves. But if I had faith in the owners to replace him with a better GM I'd be okay with him being fired. But I have zero hope that the Maloofs would make the right move for this franchise.

 

[Section 101]

If he hasn't done major stupid moves, then we wouldn't be complaining in this board. It is exactly all those stupid trades/moves that he allowed over the past several years now that is the reason for making this thread.

Also, being not-so-aggressive as a GM is probably one of the worst traits of Petrie that makes this team dwell at the bottom.

Petrie just isn't working hard enough. Of course you won't be able to sign those marque FA, or retain your own players (i.e. Dalembert) if you don't work hard enough and aggressive enough to convince them. Our GM only knows how to inquire, probably make an offer, negotiate a little, and if the offer gets turned down, he quits convincing the player, and worst withdraws the offer even before the player signs with another team.

I see Petrie as an old burned-out GM. I think he already lost that burning desire to work harder and make this franchise work. He probably does not think hard enough too. This GM makes moves/trades just for the sake of moving/trading. Then he lets his rabid fans in this board second guess his intentions for making the move and/or make excuses for him when the move proves to be a major mistake. This has been the trend in this board. A lot of fans will blame the owners, the coach, or even put the blame on the players when it was Petrie the GM who allowed and pulled the trigger for such move.

I think it is about time the Maloofs change their GM. Their business is not going anywhere for several years now. It is time to make that big change at the top.

I know Petrie is working hard. I know he cares. I can see it on his face.

I think Petrie knows a ton about basketball and being a GM. I also think a lot of what he knows is 10-20 years old now and he hasn't changed with the times. The game has changed over the past 20 years. He was part of that change with the Kings success then they went away from it.

I think the whole Jason Levien says more about Petrie not being willing to change more than anything.

 

[Kingster]

Some very good points on this board. I agree with ifAt1st: Petrie can't be given a pass. If he's the general and the Maloofs are the president, and the Maloofs totally hamstring him financially, and they meddle as well, it's then up to Petrie to step down just to retain his integrity. Otherwise, he serves no purpose to the Kings or the community that follow the Kings. He's just a lame GM that can never be successful because of the owners. But Petrie hasn't stepped down, and it's either because he's content getting his paycheck for doing so little, or because he does have enough autonomy for him to believe that he can get the job done. But he hasn't gotten the job done. It's been a terrible job - for years now. The drafts have been pretty good. Other than that, what exactly? Poor strategy, poor tactics to implement the strategy. The Salmons thing is the topper. That was beyond the pail.

I also agree that it would be nice to have some arena certainty before letting Petrie go. If approval of the arena can lead to the demise of the Maloofs as the owners, that's the best of all worlds. Because they are the top of the organizational pyramid, they have to be assigned the most blame for its failure. If the dream doesn't come true and the Maloofs retain ownership, and we do have a new arena, then it's time for Petrie to go. For a new GM, I'd look first and foremost at some higher level people in the Spurs organization. To my mind, they are probably the best run organization in basketball.

 

[macadocious]

A couple things.

1.) The Maloofs meddling started with the Peja for Artest move. That was 100% their decision. Things chemistry wise started going down hill. We had one season where we were a bubble playoff team with that roster, then they let go of Adleman, again, a Maloof decisions.

2.) If we let go of Petrie, which I hope we don't, I would love it if the Kings would somehow talk to http://www.haralabosvoulgaris.com/ and somehow convince him to give up his NBA betting to take the job. He has talked about his desire to run and NBA franchise, his bball knowledge is off the charts good. He won't have the college/over seas scouting, but that can be hired.

It would be a totally out of the box pick, but with the Maloofs Vegas and LA ties, it would make some sense. I don't know if he would be willing to take the pay cut though. He would obviously have to give up sports betting.

 

[Glenn]

I get depressed just thinking about what might have been. That is EXACTLY what I wanted us to do during the off-season and you know what, that team right there would have been one of the top 8 teams in the West this season. VERY strong 3 man rotations both in the big men department and in the backcourt. Some real depth and quality and LENGTH!

IMHO, Kirilenko was always a long shot to turn his back on CSKA this year BUT insert any half decent veteran SF instead of him (eg Prince) and we are STILL strong.

A couple of bad moves and we are struggling. The sad thing is, we would not have been too much different in terms of payroll either. Might have been some $4-5 million more than now but would have a MUCH MUCH better team.

At times like this, its really sucks to be a Kings fan. If we had rich owners, we could STILL turn this around but burning up some money BUT since we don't, I think it will be a longer than needed time before we recover form this off-season.

I'm starting a support group and you are invited. So near but so far. It can be salvaged with a mega draft pick which may be more likely than not. Still leaves a position open but if we don't resign a few folks, we will have money so we can still fill the other position with a FA. It's not over but we had a great team within our grasp and for the life of me I don't understand it. I don't know who is presenting facts as a lot of people present opinions as facts but I would love to know the facts behind the loss of Daly and AK.

 

[Elektrik]

Although I have my questions about Petrie's abilities, the real underlying problem is the Maloofs, they're the ones that can't make competent decisions to save their life.

I agree. I have questioned Petrie on numerous occasions on this board. I still feel he has lost some of his edge. I do however, question who could be brought in that is competent enough to do the job properly. Whoever is brought in would still have to deal with the Maloofs restraints and meddling. There is no doubt in my mind that the Maloofs have pretty much tied Petrie's hands and meddled to the point of sabotage. The Maloofs DO NOT want to remain in Sacramento. PERIOD. Arena or no arena. They will do whatever they can to force the hand of the league to allow them to move to Anaheim so that they can grab a piece of the pie in SoCal and have their financial troubles minimized with loans from Samueli. I think they feel that is their only salvation. A new GM will not make a difference until the Maloofs somehow manage to salvage their crumbling empire or have lost the team alltogether to a guy like Ron Burkle. If somehow the Maloofs do lose the team to Burkle then I think Petrie would be able to do the job he is capable of doing. If at that point he still makes bumbling trades and F/A signings then I say adios...

 

[Rookie]

I support GP just like how I did with Adelman base on track record/history/professionalism and characteristic. From what I see, I really like the two men.
I would be very disappointed if GP is booted and wouldn't be surprised if we end up going through 3-4 more GMs just to find a decent/average GM.

 

[Kingster]

A couple things.

1.) The Maloofs meddling started with the Peja for Artest move. That was 100% their decision. Things chemistry wise started going down hill. We had one season where we were a bubble playoff team with that roster, then they let go of Adleman, again, a Maloof decisions.

2.) If we let go of Petrie, which I hope we don't, I would love it if the Kings would somehow talk to http://www.haralabosvoulgaris.com/ and somehow convince him to give up his NBA betting to take the job. He has talked about his desire to run and NBA franchise, his bball knowledge is off the charts good. He won't have the college/over seas scouting, but that can be hired.

It would be a totally out of the box pick, but with the Maloofs Vegas and LA ties, it would make some sense. I don't know if he would be willing to take the pay cut though. He would obviously have to give up sports betting.

Excellent point about Artest. It was a crazy move for a crazy basketball player. I couldn't help wonder, though, if the Maloofs crammed this down Petrie's throat, why stick around? It's not like he's under financial duress. The guy has millions. This was the first move where I began wondering about the wussiness of Petrie.

As for the Russian, that's a very intriguing suggestion...

 

[ElRey]

I agree. I have questioned Petrie on numerous occasions on this board. I still feel he has lost some of his edge. I do however, question who could be brought in that is competent enough to do the job properly. Whoever is brought in would still have to deal with the Maloofs restraints and meddling. There is no doubt in my mind that the Maloofs have pretty much tied Petrie's hands and meddled to the point of sabotage. The Maloofs DO NOT want to remain in Sacramento. PERIOD. Arena or no arena. They will do whatever they can to force the hand of the league to allow them to move to Anaheim so that they can grab a piece of the pie in SoCal and have their financial troubles minimized with loans from Samueli. I think they feel that is their only salvation. A new GM will not make a difference until the Maloofs somehow manage to salvage their crumbling empire or have lost the team alltogether to a guy like Ron Burkle. If somehow the Maloofs do lose the team to Burkle then I think Petrie would be able to do the job he is capable of doing. If at that point he still makes bumbling trades and F/A signings then I say adios...

COSIGNED. Maloofs are going broke, and Anaheim was their desperation move to eventually sell to the Samueli for a profit. How are we going to even attract any free agents when your owners are trying to get out of your city!?

 

[Glenn]

I have been a Petrie supporter from the beginning and now am a bit confused. I think he has been reigned in by the Maloofs to pinch pennies but that may be the GP lover in me. The biggest and safest point has to do with the people who would hire a new GM. Does anyone want it to be the Maloofs? This is not group think as their talent judgment I believe has been thoroughly exposed as terribly poor.

 

[origkds]

I have been a Petrie supporter from the beginning and now am a bit confused. I think he has been reigned in by the Maloofs to pinch pennies but that may be the GP lover in me. The biggest and safest point has to do with the people who would hire a new GM. Does anyone want it to be the Maloofs? This is not group think as their talent judgment I believe has been thoroughly exposed as terribly poor.

I do not want the Maloof’s hand in this. Petrie needs to have complete autonomy in choosing the next GM.

 

[jpsls]

The Kings haven't been relevant for about 6 years, so yes his job should be in doubt because it ultimately is his responsibility to field a competitive team. However, I would say you have to keep him if for no other reason than I don't know who you would replace him.

IMO, I think Petrie is average and slightly above average at best when it comes to drafting talent compared to his piers.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

there are other gms out there that are worse. so, lets say petrie picked hasheem thabeet over tyreke evans or wesley johnson over demarcus cousins. how upset would we be? we are in the right direction with a few more moves. things can be alot worse. memphis totally blew it selecting thabust.

 

[Bricklayer]

The Kings haven't been relevant for about 6 years, so yes his job should be in doubt because it ultimately is his responsibility to field a competitive team. However, I would say you have to keep him if for no other reason than I don't know who you would replace him.

IMO, I think Petrie is average and slightly above average at best when it comes to drafting talent compared to his piers.

DRAFTING?

he is easily Top 5 at drafting. If that was all there was to the game he would be the Phil Jackson of GMs.

 

[jpsls]

DRAFTING?

he is easily Top 5 at drafting. If that was all there was to the game he would be the Phil Jackson of GMs.

Top5 really? His drafting has led to the Kings being cellar dwellars for more than half a decade. He's hit and miss just like other average GM's.

 

[Dime Dropper]

Top5 really? His drafting has led to the Kings being cellar dwellars for more than half a decade. He's hit and miss just like other average GM's.

It's not his drafting that's made us cellar dwellers, it's his other stuff. The drafting is what has saved him. He's a very good drafter.

 

[iowamcnabb]

Fans always want to dump who they have for buzz names. Overall, he is still a top 10 gm IMO

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Peaches says no truth to Petrie rumors. Take that for what it's worth.

 

[Glenn]

The only way for a team that cannot attract free agents to get good is to get great draft picks. If we hadn't sucked so bad in the last half decade, we would not have great draft picks. It's the only pathway to rebuilding for a team like us. In other words, the losing as deliberate. In fact, given the immense depth of this year's draft, I have wondered if it was deliberate that we went into the season with Westphal as coach. It left the team in bad shape and with another losing season with the chance of another great draft pick.

I am probably giving credit where none is deserved but what is happening may set the stage for another decade of very good teams.



Edit: I will add for those who think miracles happen via trade that trades usually are lateral moves. They tweak a team that needs tweaking but seldom if ever result is a star unless of course a star was part of what we traded.

 

[Bricklayer]

Top5 really? His drafting has led to the Kings being cellar dwellars for more than half a decade. He's hit and miss just like other average GM's.

He pretty consistently gets value for his picking position, and I think arguably as many as 4 times in the last decade has picked the best player remaining at our draft positon('10 (Cousins),'09 (Reke), '04 (Martin), '00 (Hedo)). Certainly close to it. Gerald Wallace was close to being a 5th in '04, but Dalembert and Parker were taken right after him, so maybe not.

The draft hasn't been what has hurt us. Or rather the picks we have made with our draft positon has not. Not maneuvering into positon to get better picks earlier set us back. Inability to sign good free agents/overpaying for mediocre ones set us back. Getting cheap with coaches set us back.

The progress in our rebuild has been arrested in this early season, but our drafted guys are all the highlights and potential of the situation.

 

[Larry David]

Peaches says no truth to Petrie rumors. Take that for what it's worth.

Between Peaches and the Maloofs denials of the Palms debt issue for years, it's not worth much.

For years, the Maloofs said the Palms was "doing fine" and the reports were "rumors." Grant took his bosses marching orders and took to the mic. I don't know what the truth is, but I know you can't bank on Peaches or the Maloofs quotes.

 

[sdballer]

After a long dry spell Petrie had done just about everything RIGHT for the first two years of the rebuild. I'm willing to stand by almost all of his moves from 09-11. But of course now he got the heat turned up on him by having a bad offseason at precisely the time we should have been set up for a good one.

Thing is that we were THIS close to having the opposite. It wouldn't have taken much of a tweak to fortunes. If you a) don't make the Salmons trade and kept Beno (in our control); b) we were in the running for Dalembert, if you get him; and c) we made an offer to Kirilenko, if he takes it...combined with the resinging of Thornton it would have been a perfect reasonable offseason. The one many of us were asking for. You coudl still have drafted Jimmer if you wanted. Or one of the other PGs or SFs. You cmight even still have gone out and used an MLE on Hayes maybe, although he would not be needed. But we were right in the running, had all the right names were attached to us in rumors. We just somehow did not get it done.

Not inventing names at all, not pie in the sky, but just stuff we were attached t and pursuing but failed to get we could easily have been this as a 14 man roster

Starters
C - 6'11" Dalembert
C/PF - 6'11" Cousins
SF - 6'11" Kirilenko
SG - 6'4" Thornton
PG/SG - 6'5" Evans
Bench
PF/C - 6'11" Thompson
PF - 6'9" Hickson
SF/PF - 6'11" Greene
SF/SG - 6'7" Garcia
SG/PG - 6'2" Fredette
PG/SG - 6'3" Udrih
PG - 5'9" Thomas
D-League
SF - 6'8" Honyecutt
C/PF - 7'0" Whiteside

And that's jsut so much stronger and better balanced than what we have. And it was right there. And Petrie apparently at least made some offers to Dalembert and Kirilenko...just all went wrong. the thing we don't know is if it went wrong because of us, because we wouldn't move the numbers large enough, or whether it wetn wrong because we're the Sacramento Kings, small market losing franchise with a moving van poised over our heads and maybe those guys just did not want to come. Of course obviously the Salmons mistake appears to duplicate Petrie's Nick Anderson error, seeing a guy for what he once was rather than he is now. And frankly liking him far too much for waht he once was anyway, since he was always going to be a questionable fit.

Of course maybe the biggest thing was just that Westphal had apparently lost the team before the season even started, or lost them by stupidly trying to institute a new systemless system right at the begining of the season. Its hard to assess that. We were playing better at the end of last year, having Westphal coach out the last year of his contract and get a full season to make Reke/Cousins/Thornton work did not seem completely unreasonable on its face. But it blew up so fast and so hard it makes you wonder if there weren't signs.

You have no idea how much it depresses me to think about that possible lineup. Monster defensively (at the rim especially), great rebounding, young with some good veterans tossed in, the ability to go big/small and everything in between. And not extremely expensive.

Instead, it took us 2-3 moves/non-moves to create the mess we have now where we don't excel anywhere, have holes everywhere and a front office that apparently seems not to get it combined with owners that can't afford to get it.

As a fan, I went from heading into the offseason cautiously optimistic we'd do the right things, to extremely disappointed when we didn't to just disgusted watching the product on the court. Basically the usual 3 month cycle as a Kings fan.

 

[Glenn]

Why do the Maloofs make all their possible moves and moves public? [/rhetorical] They did the same with Adelman when they announced they were trying to sign Jackson and then of course the Cuz/Westphal fiasco. This serves no useful purpose and has the capacity to be very destructive to team/organizational unity.

 

[Kings Faithful]

You have no idea how much it depresses me to think about that possible lineup. Monster defensively (at the rim especially), great rebounding, young with some good veterans tossed in, the ability to go big/small and everything in between. And not extremely expensive.

Instead, it took us 2-3 moves/non-moves to create the mess we have now where we don't excel anywhere, have holes everywhere and a front office that apparently seems not to get it combined with owners that can't afford to get it.

As a fan, I went from heading into the offseason cautiously optimistic we'd do the right things, to extremely disappointed when we didn't to just disgusted watching the product on the court. Basically the usual 3 month cycle as a Kings fan.

We would have been unstoppable. 3 6"11 players with Tyreke as a PG? Forget it... no one is scoring on us. Oh, what could've been!

 

[gunks]

^ That is rad to think about and all...Buuuuuuut, neither Dally or AK wanted to be here. Cant really pin that on GP. And Hayes, while not a shotblocker, is at least a good defender/rebounder. I'll take him as a consolation prize.


OTOH, the draft day trade was terrible. Salmons is here til what, 2015 or something like that? Picking up Outlaw was a dummie move too. And dont get me started on the iffy backcourt pairing of Thornton/Reke. I have doubts on that one ever paying dividends. But then, I'm not a fan of Thornton.


Personally, I'd like to see what GP can do with an owner willing to spend. Maloofs are broke as jokes and need to sell. Burkle plus GP could be better than Maloofs plus hypothetical brilliant GM.

 

[kennadog]

Why do the Maloofs make all their possible moves and moves public? [/rhetorical] They did the same with Adelman when they announced they were trying to sign Jackson and then of course the Cuz/Westphal fiasco. This serves no useful purpose and has the capacity to be very destructive to team/organizational unity.

Because a dust bunny under my bed has a higher IQ?

 

[Return To Glory]

Because a dust bunny under my bed has a higher IQ?

Hahaha. So true.

 

[Larry David]

Why do the Maloofs make all their possible moves and moves public? [/rhetorical] They did the same with Adelman when they announced they were trying to sign Jackson and then of course the Cuz/Westphal fiasco. This serves no useful purpose and has the capacity to be very destructive to team/organizational unity.

You can't fix stupid.

 

[BMiller52]

Because a dust bunny under my bed has a higher IQ?

cosigned, it sucks to see them run the team into the ground. We want Burkle!

 

[king07]

he needs to go and so do the maloofs