Perspective on Tyreke Evans

[Prince_XY]

If you were in the jury pool for a trial you would never make it to the jury. Why you ask? Its called having your mind made up in advance. Doesn't matter which way, one or the other, the defense or prosecution would excuse you, unless you lied of course.

You have to apply logic to this equation. Look at Petrie's past history, especially before the Maloof's came onto the scene, and then shortly there after. Petrie has always been loyal to his own picks, and Peja was one of the more controversial ones. Petrie was booed when he announced the pick. No one had even heard of Peja. Petrie also leaned hard toward players that played in an unselfish manner. Artest hardly fell into that catagory. Add to that, the Maloof's announcing the trade instead of Petire, it was obvious that they wanted credit for it.

As far as the Evans pick. That was all Petrie and his scouting staff. I don't beleive that the Maloof's have interfered with Petrie and the draft. For that I give him full responsiblity. I sincerely doubt for example, that the Maloof's suggested drafting Douby, any more than they suggested drafting Martin. I do believe that the Maloof's wanted to hang on to the glory days a little too long, and forced Petrie to make decisions that perhaps he wouldn't have made if it were just left up to him. I have no proof of that. Its just speculation on my part. But whether you like Petrie or not, he's not a stupid man. He does know basketball, and knows when a team is on the way down.

If the majority of the fans on this fourm can see that the team needs to start rebuilding, does anyone believe that Petrie couldn't see it. Yes I know some of you do believe that. After having said all of this, I'm by no means implying that the Maloof's are bad owners. They've been very good owners except for sticking their hands in places better left alone. They have been willing to spend money and make improvments. They've donated money and time to charities in sacramento. And I would lend no credence to those rumors that they intentionally ran down the team so they could more easily move it. That would be like cutting off your nose despite your face. Yeah, I'm going to run down the team, and lose 15 to 20 million in revenue's just so I can move somewhere else.

This team went from a shoestring owner (God bless him for bringing the team here) and a clueless league appointed GM that singlehandedly destroyed the future of the team for 10 years, to what we have today. It may not be perfect, but its still not all that bad either..

I was asking for concrete evidence and not more speculations.

 

[Rookie]

Thanks for giving more speculations. They certainly help boost my case.

Petrie walking away from his previous job in Portland because his friend Adelman got fired more than explained the possibility that it was the Maloofs extending help to Petrie when they announced the firing of Adelman here in Sacramento.

I can actually offer you a better speculation of what really transpired:

Petrie: " Joe, I have a problem. I don't think Rick fits this team now. I want to fire him, but I can't tell him, because he is such a very nice friend. I think you guys know our history in Portland, right?"

Joe: " No problem, if you think he no longer fits, then just fire him for the sake of my business. I'll take the blame. "

This is why Petrie was able to save face. He didn't have to leave Sacramento Kings for firing Adelman.

Your speculation is not good. I like mine better.

some unhappy fans: "Rick sucks, he can't get us the RING"

Owners: "You're right, he can't teach defense"

GP: "We need better players"

Owners: "You're right, get rid of Peja and get Artest"

Sill didn't win the championship and exited 1st round.

Some unhappy fans: "Rick sucks, with the team we got we shouldn't exit first round"

Owners: "sorry GP but Rick gotta go now. I can't have unhappy customers"

 

[fnordius]

I don't see any "CONCRETE PROOF" of the Maloofs making the sole decision on any of the things you mentioned here. Review what you typed and you'll find out that they are all speculations.

ESPN, Adelman Out In Sacramento After Eight Seasons, 10 May 2006

Geoff Petrie, the Kings' president of basketball operations, wouldn't give any clear-cut reasons for the decision not to extend Adelman's contract, which expires in September. But owners Joe and Gavin Maloof, apparently dissatisfied with Adelman for years, are widely thought to be behind the move.

ESPN, Adelman Mistake 100% Maloof
May 10, 2006

"We have always left the basketball decisions to Geoff," co-owner Joe Maloof said on his cell phone later Tuesday, "but with the head coach, I think the owners are entitled to get involved. We just felt it was time to go in a different direction. We're pretty impulsive people. We move quick. Yesterday (Monday), the family talked, we talked with Geoff, and figured out what we wanted to do, and I think Geoff was OK with that."

MSNBC, Kings Fire Musselman After One Season, 20 Apri, 2007

The firing is a disastrous end to an experiment by Sacramento owners Joe and Gavin Maloof, who dropped Adelman last summer against Petrie’s apparent wishes.

CBS Sports, Musselman Replaces Adelman As Sacramento's Head Coach, 2 June 2006

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica][Muss] succeeds Adelman, who became the winningest coach in franchise history during eight standout seasons before the Maloof family dismissed him May 9. [/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]But the Maloofs decided not to renew Adelman's contract, primarily citing years of mediocre defense from one of the NBA's most exciting teams. Adelman also had spotty communication with the brothers, who could be seen yelling criticism at their coach from their courtside seats late in the season.
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There are dozens of other articles which have said similar things. It may not be proof (despite the Maloofs admitting to a lot of it, quoted above), but when it's reported pretty much universally, and years go by without anyone denying it, I don't think it can really be considered very speculative, either.
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[Prince_XY]

The Maloofs were very involved in getting Artest and generally stalling the rebuild, had complete responsibility for letting Adelman go, and very nearly hired Whisenant as his replacement.

ESPN, Adelman Mistake 100% Maloof
May 10, 2006

"We have always left the basketball decisions to Geoff," co-owner Joe Maloof said on his cell phone later Tuesday, "but with the head coach, I think the owners are entitled to get involved. We just felt it was time to go in a different direction. We're pretty impulsive people. We move quick. Yesterday (Monday), the family talked, we talked with Geoff, and figured out what we wanted to do, and I think Geoff was OK with that."

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]There are dozens of other articles which have said similar things. It may not be proof (despite the Maloofs admitting to a lot of it, quoted above), but when it's reported pretty much universally, and years go by without anyone denying it, I don't think it can really be considered very speculative, either.[/FONT]

So, basically you are admitting that it wasn't only the Maloofs who decided to fire Adelman. The Maloofs got involved, they told Petrie what they want, and Petrie was okay with it.

That in essence makes Petrie one of those responsible in firing Adelman and it is not right for you to say the Maloofs are the ones "completely responsible" in the firing of Adelman. This so-called concrete evidence you are laying on me now proves my point and not yours.

Also, if it was only the Maloofs who decided, then Petrie could have been gone a long time ago too.

Remember how Petrie left Portland under the same cirscumstances?

Why didn't Petrie left Sacramento, if indeed these so-called evidence were not just a cover-up for Petrie's involvement in making the decision?

 

[bajaden]

I disagree. Prince_XY is simply stating that circumstantial evidence of Maloof involvement (Maloofs prematurely announce trade) does not constitute concrete evidence that the Maloofs directed that the trade occur.

It's perfectly likely that Petrie drew up the trade, as team owners the Maloofs knew about the upcoming (but not quite finalized) trade, got excited (is there much doubt the Maloofs are excitable?), and blabbed to ESPN. And nowhere in that scenario are the Maloofs pulling the strings, though they do have inside information we would expect them to have.

I don't think Prince_XY has demonstrated that his mind is made up at all -- rather, he doesn't want to jump to a conclusion not warranted by the evidence at hand. Seems like a good quality for a juror to me .

I'm excusing him anyway!

 

[bajaden]

I was asking for concrete evidence and not more speculations.

Hey! If you can speculate, then so can I..Truth is, we'll never know, unless someone confesses, which is unlikely.

 

[Prince_XY]

Hey! If you can speculate, then so can I..Truth is, we'll never know, unless someone confesses, which is unlikely.

That, I can agree with you.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

I'm excusing him anyway!

You'd better be careful or you're going to run out of peremptories!

 

[VF21]

So, basically you are admitting that it wasn't only the Maloofs who decided to fire Adelman. The Maloofs got involved, they told Petrie what they want, and Petrie was okay with it.

That in essence makes Petrie one of those responsible in firing Adelman and it is not right for you to say the Maloofs are the ones "completely responsible" in the firing of Adelman. This so-called concrete evidence you are laying on me now proves my point and not yours.

Also, if it was only the Maloofs who decided, then Petrie could have been gone a long time ago too.

Remember how Petrie left Portland under the same cirscumstances?

Why didn't Petrie left Sacramento, if indeed these so-called evidence were not just a cover-up for Petrie's involvement in making the decision?

Petrie was okay with it for the simple reason he knew the Maloofs and Adelman did not get along, which had been obvious for quite a while. Geoff most likely saw the handwriting on the wall and decided it was best for all concerned to not try and keep Adelman here when there was no guarantee it was a fight he could win anyway.

You seem to be convinced that if you don't hear about something, it hasn't happened. Well, Prince, I hate to break it to you but there are things going on every day in Kings land that don't make the front page of the Bee or get leaked on a website.

 

[Kingsguy881]

You're wrong anyway there buddy. You keep saying that Adelman was "fired". Coaches get fired WHILE THEY STILL HAVE A CONTRACT. Adelman's contract was up, they did not renew it. Technically, he was non-renewed. He wasn't fired, both sides fullfilled their contract and parted ways.

 

[bajaden]

You'd better be careful or you're going to run out of peremptories!

He's my first. I've got 19 left...Be careful what you say mi amigo. I'm looking for predudice.....

 

[Prince_XY]

You're wrong anyway there buddy. You keep saying that Adelman was "fired". Coaches get fired WHILE THEY STILL HAVE A CONTRACT. Adelman's contract was up, they did not renew it. Technically, he was non-renewed. He wasn't fired, both sides fullfilled their contract and parted ways.

Oh yeah, you are right! My bad.

This is the problem when there are so many contradicting speculations to hear. A simple technical term I usually get confused into something different. I agree he wasn't fired. He was just left without a coaching job through non-renewal of his contract and was replaced by another coach.

Hmmm. It still sounds like firing to me though. Well, whatever.

 

[Prince_XY]

Petrie was okay with it for the simple reason he knew the Maloofs and Adelman did not get along, which had been obvious for quite a while. Geoff most likely saw the handwriting on the wall and decided it was best for all concerned to not try and keep Adelman here when there was no guarantee it was a fight he could win anyway.

You seem to be convinced that if you don't hear about something, it hasn't happened. Well, Prince, I hate to break it to you but there are things going on every day in Kings land that don't make the front page of the Bee or get leaked on a website.

This is why you guys shouldn't be telling something speculative as if you are dead sure and have a concrete evidence of what you are saying. There is just too many things to know to be sure. Not because we see a man and a woman who look fresh from taking a bath and coming out of a motel room, we can say for sure that they had sex, or whatever.

Things are not as simple as that.

 

[VF21]

This is why you guys shouldn't be telling something speculative as if you are dead sure and have a concrete evidence of what you are saying. There is just too many things to know to be sure. Not because we see a man and a woman who look fresh from taking a bath and coming out of a motel room, we'll jump into conclusion that they had sex, or whatever.

Things are not as simple as that.

Whatever you say... Are you completely sure some of us don't know something we just aren't saying? Hrm? Completely sure? Your demand for concrete evidence has been refuted by several people, using logic and pretty strong evidence. If you choose not to believe it, that's fine. I'm sure there are still a couple of people who believe the world is flat, too...

Sometimes things actually are that simple.

 

[Prince_XY]

I'm sure there are still a couple of people who believe the world is flat, too...

Sometimes things actually are that simple.

If you believe that the world is flat and things are actually that simple, then there is no point proving that things are not that simple. You just won't get it and I surrender my case.

 

[kingsnation]

Boy, miss checking in on this thread for a couple days and you come back lost..

 

[Rookie]

Tyreke is going to play PG...that is that.

The coach can say whatever but like Theus if he doesn't play the rook he's going to lose his job.

 

[bajaden]

Boy, miss checking in on this thread for a couple days and you come back lost..

OK, let me catch you up on all the basketball news... I think we just decided that the world is flat. But, basketballs are round, BUT!!! Their flat when uninflated, so logically we must assume that if the world is flat, but was round, then someone must have uninflated it. I have no idea what that does to all our satelites.

 

[Warhawk]

OK, let me catch you up on all the basketball news... I think we just decided that the world is flat. But, basketballs are round, BUT!!! Their flat when uninflated, so logically we must assume that if the world is flat, but was round, then someone must have uninflated it. I have no idea what that does to all our satelites.

I think they are levitating because of magnetism - you know, like the maglev trains......

 

[kennadog]

The world was uninflated by someone in Hollywood.....with silicone implants .

 

[bajaden]

The world was uninflated by someone in Holywood.....with silicone implants .

This thread is finally starting to make some sense.. Now, I at least know what they're talking about when they talk about inflation...

 

[kingsnation]

OK, let me catch you up on all the basketball news... I think we just decided that the world is flat. But, basketballs are round, BUT!!! Their flat when uninflated, so logically we must assume that if the world is flat, but was round, then someone must have uninflated it. I have no idea what that does to all our satelites.

Ohhhh... Thanks!

 

[Telemachus]

I think they are levitating because of magnetism - you know, like the maglev trains......

If they are levitating, maybe Cris Angel has something to do with it.

 

[fnordius]

So, basically you are admitting that it wasn't only the Maloofs who decided to fire Adelman. The Maloofs got involved, they told Petrie what they want, and Petrie was okay with it.

That in essence makes Petrie one of those responsible in firing Adelman and it is not right for you to say the Maloofs are the ones "completely responsible" in the firing of Adelman. This so-called concrete evidence you are laying on me now proves my point and not yours.

Also, if it was only the Maloofs who decided, then Petrie could have been gone a long time ago too.

Remember how Petrie left Portland under the same cirscumstances?

Why didn't Petrie left Sacramento, if indeed these so-called evidence were not just a cover-up for Petrie's involvement in making the decision?

Huh?

In Portland, Geoff resigned because he was sick of bad personnel decisions by another manager, who refused to rebuild the team until it had become a declining bunch of oldsters and demoralized vets asking for trades, and was preparing to turn them into the Jailblazers. Geoff resigned, and then Rick was fired 3 days later, because there was nobody left in management who'd stick up for him.

Allen wasn't prepared to dismiss Petrie. Instead, Petrie resigned voluntarily. It was no secret that Petrie had major differences with personnel man Brad Greenberg. When Petrie left, Adelman lost his main supporter, and his firing was inevitable.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1208/is_n22_v217/ai_15278643/

In Sac, Rick had been running the team as he saw fit, and wasn't really into talking to the Maloofs about it all the time. (Note: the following one sentence can be considered speculative, as it's not well documented in the press; ignore it if you like.) This sort of alienated one Maloof brother, and TOTALLY alienated the other, who apparently thought Rick was screwing up, and wanted to get more involved in how things were being run. They let his contract go unextended for a long time, then held a family meeting, decided to let his contract run out, and told him to pack his bags. Afterwards, they told Geoff, who could either resign (Which would have accomplished what, exactly? Left us with Whisenant as GM?), or he could not resign. He did not choose to resign at that point, although he may have decided to let his own contract run out. If the Maloofs hadn't picked up a franchise option on him, his contract would already have run out.

According to sources within the organization, Petrie, whose option for 2009-10 was picked up last summer, tabled the Maloofs' offer for a multiyear contract extension.

http://www.sacbee.com/356/story/1345916.html

So... how were those identical situations again, and how did those establish Geoff's responsibility for Adelman's non-renewal? You know, without getting speculative?