Peja - Get of his back!!!

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First of all let me just say that I love the Kings and it is really hard to see them struggle lately. It is very easy to point fingers and to try to find players who are at fault for the bad play. One thing for sure and let’s be real – get off Peja’s back. Stop expecting of him to do things in the game and play the game the way he never did.

He’s been injured lately and if you have not seen his hand you would not understand the degree of the injury. Prior the injury he had a stretch of 5+ games where he started playing like the good old Peja. Since he came back it is obvious that he is struggling, however, it is not only his fault. Look at the way he played when Vlade was rulling the high post, Christy and Bobby running the court…etc. This was a team without egos, without selfish play, with great bench, letting the game come to them.

The Kings have lately become a 1-on-1 team, looking away from Peja freeing himself up in the corners, or in transitions. The only reliable passer these days is Miller who thankfully emulated his game based on Vlade’s high post passing….. Even he goes during games without a point…..An All-Star Center going without one single point during a game….. That is pretty bad. The team does not work to get Peja double or triple screens in order to get him open. The guy works hard to open himself, cutting, moving without a ball and he gets no looks, passes or anything.

He’s not the type that will create his own shot. He needs to come off the screen, cut back door, run transition…etc. Getting the ball the last 5 seconds of the possession and have him chuck it up there just won’t do it.

It makes me really sad seeing how quickly people turned on him. Look at how much good work the guy has done over the years. You don’t hear about him getting in trouble in any situations. He is an exemplary citizen who has done a lot of good humanitarian work in Sacramento community over the years. He doesn’t have chemical imbalances like so many other players in the league.

I know we all want the Kings to do well, but come on. For those who want Artest trade – what a joke. I know Geoff is not that crazy.
 
Sorry but Peja is no more exempt from criticism than any other player that wears the uniform of the Sacramento Kings.

It's not about his exemplary citizenship, whatever that's supposed to mean. It's not about him not having chemical imbalances.

It's about him being the STARTING Small Forward for the Sacramento Kings and receiving a very nice salary for doing it. We'd like to see him earn it.

In case you hadn't noticed, a LOT of other NBA players get injuries and come back. They are often subjected to criticism, too. And, believe it or not, a lot of players have to play with a variety of different team-mates. The whole "Vlade did this" or "Vlade did that" is totally immaterial. VLADE IS GONE! If Peja can't adjust, then we need to find someone who can.

Please do not come here and, with your first post, make it sound like poor Peja has been totally villefied without cause by those of us who have been watching him for the past 7 years on our beloved Kings.

And one more thing? All this about Peja needing to come off screens, etc. would be fine IF - and it's a really BIG if - he was making those lay-ups. But HE'S NOT!

I am actually less disappointed in Peja than I am with a very small number of his fans who are so blind that they always have to be making excuses for Peja. He shouldn't need your excuses.
 
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Peja needs the team to open him up in the corners , making him taking the open shots....This team is really bad taking advantage of this....Vlade and the team 2 years ago was smart , they knew how to take advantage of pejas genious shot....

The rest of the team must know how to take advantage of peja qualuties, cause probabably he is the best one dimensional player on earth....

I think a team with 5 one dimensional players would be awfull , but one player is necessary to help others....the team just have to take advance of this....Shaq is an example...He always does one thing....he gets the ball close to basket use his size to get the ball in....That makes it alot easier the other players on team to play....Peja shoots all the time, and still not as big weapon as for example shaqs , his is huge too...The team 2 years ago just knew how to use this, they set screans up for him , passes him the ball wright on wright occasions.... They were not selfish....This team simply dont use this at all, and i think its impressive peja putting oevr 20 points per game when the ball is not passed to him as good as 2 years ago...He is in much harder situation on the court and still he has been putting big numbers before the inury and has been the best player on this squad....If you want to critisize someone , please dont do that to the best player on this team...nobody mentions miller not scoring at all in one game or as a center there are other teams that have point guards that rebounds better than him...But no, you blame peja
 
kingsforever, if you can't take Peja-criticism then you're at the wrong place because this forum is quite tolerant of the constant Peja-bashing. I have criticized him a lot, but lately I've started defending him (even though he is playing like crap) because people have become really irrational when it comes to Peja.

Meanwhile, last year when Webb was getting criticized (quite often much more argumented criticism as opposed to bashing) threads were getting closed, and members were being banned.
 
Peja seems to be an unassuming guy and because of that is free to move in and be my neighbor any day of the week -- if nothing else I could buy a pair of binoculars and voyeuristically spy on his wife by the pool all day. ;)

But that very same trait makes him a pathetic competitor who frankly I don't want on my team. Being "nice" is absolutely no defense to the charge that you are soft or a wuss. In fact as often as not it can be a root cause of it. Nice unassuming guys ON the court/field are sad teammates salvaged only by any talent they may have. You can be a nice guy OFF the court all you want, but you hit the court you better be one nasty hypercompetitive S.O.B.. And Peja isn't. So I reject your plea. Enough of this "he's too nice to pick on" bunk. He's too nice is the PROBLEM and WHY he is "picked on".
 
To be fair to kingsforever (welcome to the board), and to Peja, I agree that Peja is absolutely being used as a scapegoat for the Kings troubles. First people were on top of him because he sat out with a sprained pinkie, now people are on him because he hasn't been playing well and are now saying he came back too soon.

That doesn't mean Peja is exempt from criticism or that he doesn't need to step up his game, but Peja isn't playing any better or worse than the other two alleged members of the Kings "core," and unlike Bibby and Miller, Peja has really looked like he's been giving top effort every night.

Yes, Peja should be able to handle the criticism, he should be playing better, etc. etc. etc. But I think that people's disenchantment with him is disproportionate to his actual play.
 
I thought kingsforever made a very good post actually. He didn't say that people have no right to critisize Peja, he said that a lot of the criticism is pretty unfair and listed several reasons why. He makes a good point about the lack of double or triple screens. Other teams with shooters run plays just to get them open. I don't see a lot of that with the Kings. It's mostly Peja working to get himself open. The guy has been mostly healthy in his time with the Kings, and puts in the extra practice time to keep his shot consistent. And surely being a good citizen must count for something. That's not to say Peja shouldn't be critisized, but lately it's seemed more like a witch hunt.
 
Oh good lord.

If you want to critisize someone, please dont do that to the best player on this team...

Peja isn't the best player on the team right now. Sorry if that sounds cold and callous but for Pete's sake. When are some of you going to admit what even Ailene Voisin, arguably the biggest Peja supporter in five counties, has finally said?

Peja isn't getting the job done. Part of it might be lingering effects from the near career-ending injury (yes, that's sarcasm) and part of it might be in his head, but what matters is that he's not doing the job we desperately need him to do.

He's missing from the stripe; he's missing lay-ups that are virtually impossible to miss. He's not reliable at this point. And it's killing us. We already had a plethora of problems. Having Peja disappear hasn't helped at all.

You cannot possibly compare - although I admire you even trying - Shaq and his "one dimensional" play to Peja.

This thread is undoubtedly going to get ugly, and when it does, it will most likely be because long-time KINGS fans are just totally sick at heart about what's happening to their team AND how Peja is still supposed to be exempt from any criticism.
 
nbrans said:
and unlike Bibby and Miller, Peja has really looked like he's been giving top effort every night.

And that I utterly reject unless his "top effort" is even more pathetic than I have alleged it to be.

I would say all the games through Detroit he gave us nothing. I think he was embarrassed by Detroit and gave good efforts for the next 4-5. Then he got hurt and collapsed mentally, and it has only been in the last two when he's given us jack agian as far as effort. Even by his less than sterling standards he should be embarrassed.
 
Stojakovic said:
kingsforever, if you can't take Peja-criticism then you're at the wrong place because this forum is quite tolerant of the constant Peja-bashing. I have criticized him a lot, but lately I've started defending him (even though he is playing like crap) because people have become really irrational when it comes to Peja.

Meanwhile, last year when Webb was getting criticized (quite often much more argumented criticism as opposed to bashing) threads were getting closed, and members were being banned.

I have deleted several threads that were blatant Peja bashing and I have banned three members for that and that alone.

This isn't going to become about Webber. That ship sailed.
 
Bricklayer said:
And that I utterly reject unless his "top effort" is even more pathetic than I have alleged it to be.

I would say all the games through Detroit he gave us nothing. I think he was embarrassed by Detroit and gave good efforts for the next 4-5. Then he got hurt and collapsed mentally, and it has only been in the last two when he's given us jack agian as far as effort. Even by his less than sterling standards he should be embarrassed.

I wouldn't use the word "pathetic" because he's still giving the team 17 points a game and capable defense, but yeah, given the fact that he's playing defense and is relentlessly moving and cutting and shooting on offense I'd say he's giving top effort but hasn't had a whole lot to show for it most nights.
 
Just so people know - kingsforever made that post, didn't refresh his page to see any kinds of responses, and then left...

So perhaps this is more about riling people up than anything else.
 
VF21 said:
It's about him being the STARTING Small Forward for the Sacramento Kings and receiving a very nice salary for doing it. We'd like to see him earn it.

I agree with most you have said but PLEASE do not bring someone's salaries into this. Peja is the 4th highest paid player on the team and I bet any money you were not complaining he was underpaid (which he was compared to salaries around the NBA) when he was scoring 24pts per game.

For the record...

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Bibby should be taking a lot more heat for someone makin $11.5 million/year. This is where you start if you want to talk about "earning salary".
 
Peja is in his contract year, and it's been mentioned more than once that his agent has made it clear he's expecting a max deal...

That's why I made the comment I made.
 
Well, I think VF21's point was more that none of us are making anything close to 7 million dollars at our jobs, so you'd think with that paycheck he should take any and all deserved criticism and work to improve his game.

Which makes sense in a way, but it's a sentiment that I don't agree with. Granted sports salaries are out of control and have been for a long time, but it's not like the players themselves set the market for that. I suppose it could be fair to expect anyone making 7 million dollars to be superman, but really you should be comparing his performance relative to the league average.
 
VF21 said:
Peja is in his contract year, and it's been mentioned more than once that his agent has made it clear he's expecting a max deal...

That's why I made the comment I made.

You are right, his AGENT not Peja. What's his agent supposed to say?

Come on VF21, give him a break. If he continues to play the way he has there is no way in hell Maloofs or Geoff would be dumb enough to give him max (I hope). However if he does turn it around drastically. (and that's a big IF) then we can start thinking about the max. But please don't judge someone based on what their agent said.
 
hrdboild said:
Well, I think VF21's point was more that none of us are making anything close to 7 million dollars at our jobs, so you'd think with that paycheck he should take any and all deserved criticism and work to improve his game.

Which makes sense in a way, but it's a sentiment that I don't agree with. Granted sports salaries are out of control and have been for a long time, but it's not like the players themselves set the market for that. I suppose it could be fair to expect anyone making 7 million dollars to be superman, but really you should be comparing his performance relative to the league average.

Exactly. It's the owners and GMs who are to blame for these ridiculous salaries.
 
peja=wuss
miller=wuss
bibby=wuss disguised in tatoos


i want some bangers in here.
our "core" no longer compliment eachother. only one i'm willing to keep is bibby, he's at least got some clutch in him.
 
VF21 said:
Peja isn't the best player on the team right now.

which is directly proportional to 7-12

Basically he needs to be in order for Kings to do well. He isn't at the moment and Kings suck.

Disappointing - absolutely

Unexpected - not really
 
hrdboild said:
I thought kingsforever made a very good post actually. He didn't say that people have no right to critisize Peja, he said that a lot of the criticism is pretty unfair and listed several reasons why. He makes a good point about the lack of double or triple screens. Other teams with shooters run plays just to get them open. I don't see a lot of that with the Kings. It's mostly Peja working to get himself open. The guy has been mostly healthy in his time with the Kings, and puts in the extra practice time to keep his shot consistent. And surely being a good citizen must count for something. That's not to say Peja shouldn't be critisized, but lately it's seemed more like a witch hunt.

yeah..i only set 2 screens for Peja to get free. he scored like 54 points one game..in NBA live 06 though.
 
piksi said:
Basically [Peja] needs to be in order for Kings to do well. He isn't at the moment and Kings suck.
There is a direct relation between the Kings recent lack of success in the playoffs and the decline in Peja’s 3pt competition victories! :eek:

Also, there is a direct correlation between the decline in pirates over the last 100 years and the deterioration in the o-zone.
 
hrdboild said:
Well, I think VF21's point was more that none of us are making anything close to 7 million dollars at our jobs, so you'd think with that paycheck he should take any and all deserved criticism and work to improve his game.

That, right there, is the whole key. He isn't doing his job right now, regardless of how much money he or anyone else in the NBA is making. If he was subject to performance review - like civil employees, for example - do you honestly think he'd get his "in grade" raise?

As far as his agent goes, the AGENT works for the player, not the other way around. If a player isn't happy with how he's being represented, he can fire the agent.

But this is all beside the point.

Peja is not meeting the needs of this team. He is capable of doing so, yet he's not. Since NONE of us are actually privvy to everything that's going on, we are going to speculate WHY he's not meeting expectations. That's criticism and conjecture, which is the lifesblood of a message board.

There is another thread on this forum that basically says KT is sucking all the energy out of Arco on a nightly basis. Where's the righteous indignation for that comment????

If people want to defend Peja from what they say is player bashing, WHY aren't they also defending KT?

I honestly pray that Peja is able to get his head out of wherever it is and play up to the level we know he can play. Why wouldn't I? I love this team. A failing Peja is contributing to a failing Kings and I do not like that at all. A productive Peja is something the TEAM desperately needs.

Remember: For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required.
 
this whole team needs a performance review, and salaries should be adjusted accordingly, then we could sign artest with the money saved from all the sucking thats been going on.
 
Westones3 said:
There is a direct relation between the Kings recent lack of success in the playoffs and the decline in Peja’s 3pt competition victories! :eek:

Also, there is a direct correlation between the decline in pirates over the last 100 years and the deterioration in the o-zone.

Trying to be funny ? Whatever.

Maybe You have a better explanation but I think that my is pretty accurrate.

BTW - You took a statemen out of context - Do You by any chance work for Bee ?
 
I think alot of the problems result from lack of confidence and lack of trust.You gotta believe you can win,if you want to succeed.I've seen Peja open several times in the corner,but never get the ball,instead we turn it over in the paint.I know Peja has missed a ton of shots lately,i believe its a lack of confidence,and he will need a lot of shots to get it back,thats were the trust comes in,they need to trust each other(except the bench) if they want this offence to work right,im not a big fan of Peja,but i'm not going bash him or any of our players,but i do get pissed off sometimes,just my 2 cents worth.
GO KINGS!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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