Overpaid? I think not.

[sauce-26]

Now I know a lot of people will have opinions different then mine, but I must say that Mike Bibby is Worth what he is paid. Just look at tonight. He didn't tuck his tail and run away when the pressure hit. He stayed in and hit big shot after big shot. Look at that 3 pointer he hit toward the end of overtime. Ice water in his veins! I can live with the average defense. 38 pts, 6 assists, 7 rebounds.

 

[piksi]

Now I know a lot of people will have opinions different then mine, but I must say that Mike Bibby is Worth what he is paid. Just look at tonight. He didn't tuck his tail and run away when the pressure hit. He stayed in and hit big shot after big shot. Look at that 3 pointer he hit toward the end of overtime. Ice water in his veins! I can live with the average defense. 38 pts, 6 assists, 7 rebounds.

Where has this thread been 2 weeks ago ?

 

[swisshh]

Bibby had a great game and was why we came back.

He also had the biggest defensive lapse in the game on Parker's layup.

 

[sauce-26]

You could also say Williamson should have fouled Smush.

 

[DaMan]

Where has this thread been 2 weeks ago ?

This tread comes about when a player has a great game, lol. I love bibby and he did have a great game but i still think he should get traded and soon.

 

[AriesMar27]

You could also say Williamson should have fouled Smush.

too true... but if bibby and martin hit their damn freethrows it wouldnt have mattered....

 

[4cwebb]

I thought for one second this thread might be about Musselman for ingenious play calling tonight...

 

[Big Cuz 15]

and if the lakers hit their freethrows also?

 

[LMM]

and if the lakers hit their freethrows also?

Weird game, FT wise.

Lots of wacky calls, lots of attemoted FTs, and lots of missed ones as well.

Bibby missed 4
Martin missed 5
Kobe even missed 3
!



We had our chances. Guys were great when they woke up. Hopefully they learned something from this.

 

[y2kings]

no one doubted that mike bibby was a top 10 point guard. The issue at hand is to be sucessful in the nba...you need quality big men, something we lack. We have some young talent which i would like to see get all the PT and develop. See what Douby, Garcia and Martin can do. If they have promise, then play them for the future.

Mike bibby deserves to be on a better team where he's a better fit as a quality point guard and will elevate a team (such as the Rockets, Heat, even Dallas to a title contender.)

One trade that makes sense for both teams would be trading Bibby to Dallas. Devin Harris has a future and is slowly becoming a polished player. But Dallas has a window of opportunity for the next 3 years. Bibby would be a great player for them.

 

[DaMan]

no one doubted that mike bibby was a top 10 point guard. The issue at hand is to be sucessful in the nba...you need quality big men, something we lack. We have some young talent which i would like to see get all the PT and develop. See what Douby, Garcia and Martin can do. If they have promise, then play them for the future.

Mike bibby deserves to be on a better team where he's a better fit as a quality point guard and will elevate a team (such as the Rockets, Heat, even Dallas to a title contender.)

One trade that makes sense for both teams would be trading Bibby to Dallas. Devin Harris has a future and is slowly becoming a polished player. But Dallas has a window of opportunity for the next 3 years. Bibby would be a great player for them.

Dallas won't and don't need to do that trade they already have terry who are basically play the same style and dallas doesn't need a another scorer who can't play D they got enough.

 

[VF21]

Not a trade thread, guys.

 

[4cwebb]

Dallas won't and don't need to do that trade they already have terry who are basically play the same style and dallas doesn't need a another scorer who can't play D they got enough.

Not to contradict a moderator and continue this discussion, but Dallas informed the Sixers that they wouldn't give up Devin Harris for AI...

And, fyi for the person who suggested this trade, I'm pretty certain that a team that made it to the NBA Finals last year and has the best record in the NBA (despite losing its first 4 games) can already be considered a title contender, Bibby or no Bibby.

Bibby is well on his way to proving that he is over his early season injuries and worth his current contract, but as I'm confident others have suggested, his greatest value to a rebuilding Kings team (if that is the way ownership and management decide to) may be in getting some size and athleticism in a Kings uniform.

Still, it was fun to watch him play like the old Mike again. The Lakers PGs couldn't do anything with him all game.

 

[Kev.in]

Bibby is still overpaid. Last night's loss isn't helping that cause. You see a nice statline, but someone who was really paying attention saw 3 or 4 boneheaded plays on his part in the last 10 minutes of the game. When you're getting paid the big money you've got to find a way to win these games, not put up nice stats while coming up short.

 

[kennadog]

And I'd say Bibby, Corliss and Artest are the only ones who didn't come up short last night.

 

[Kev.in]

And I'd say Bibby, Corliss and Artest are the only ones who didn't come up short last night.

and I'd say Corliss threw a layup off the back of the rim and Artest fouled out because the refs were calling everything tonight.

Nobody played an A+ or "flawless" game, the team lost. Everyone came up short.

 

[Warhawk]

Nobody played an A+ or "flawless" game, the team lost. Everyone came up short.

Yeah, like that is reasonable....

So what is perfect in your eyes? 100% from the field and FT line? No TO? Every time you touch the ball it results in a goal or assist? Get every rebound that comes off the rim within 3 feet of you? I guess you have to block every shot your opponent takes as well, don't you....

 

[nbrans]

The Kings should be getting a 50% discount on Bibby's salary because he only plays on one side of the floor.

 

[kennadog]

That's like saying I get blamed for lowering the average in class, because I only scored 98% instead of 100% on the test.

Performances can be great without perfection. Yes, the "team" came up short as the scoreboard shows, but it wasn't because of the performances of those three players in this game.

 

[BMiller52]

And I'd say Bibby, Corliss and Artest are the only ones who didn't come up short last night.

I agree. Most of the other guys on the team seemed like they were somewhere else or something. IMO Mike, Corliss, and Ron were the only guys who's head was really in the game. Their positive contributions greatly outweighed their negative ones.

 

[nbrans]

Mike, Corliss and.... Ron? I mean, what did Ron do that Martin, Salmons and SAR didn't? Ron didn't help on the glass, he took horrible shots (granted, some good ones down the stretch as well), his defense was marginal, he fouled out stupidly... how does Ron get mentioned with Mike and Corliss?

 

[BMiller52]

The fact that he had the task of guarding Kobe Bryant(the other team's best player obviously) and 50% shooting for 19 points. He had 7 more points than FGs, so that is an efficient game for him. Even though he didn't always stop Kobe from scoring, he did a decent job on him before he fouled out and when Ron fouled out that was kind of the game IMO.

 

[LilMissDiva]

no one doubted that mike bibby was a top 10 point guard. The issue at hand is to be sucessful in the nba...you need quality big men, something we lack. We have some young talent which i would like to see get all the PT and develop. See what Douby, Garcia and Martin can do. If they have promise, then play them for the future.

Mike bibby deserves to be on a better team where he's a better fit as a quality point guard and will elevate a team (such as the Rockets, Heat, even Dallas to a title contender.)

One trade that makes sense for both teams would be trading Bibby to Dallas. Devin Harris has a future and is slowly becoming a polished player. But Dallas has a window of opportunity for the next 3 years. Bibby would be a great player for them.

Where's that vomit emoticon when you need it.

However, that definately would really put them over the top. Probably nearly unbeatable, which they almost already are.

 

[Kev.in]

Yeah, like that is reasonable....

So what is perfect in your eyes? 100% from the field and FT line? No TO? Every time you touch the ball it results in a goal or assist? Get every rebound that comes off the rim within 3 feet of you? I guess you have to block every shot your opponent takes as well, don't you....

To me, a flawless game would be making all the right decisions on both ends of the court. Elevate your game, outplay your matchup and make your teammates better as well. Kobe played pretty much a flawless game last night. Gilbert Arenas has had some games like that in the last few weeks. Tim Duncan always seems to bring it on that level when he plays in Arco. The shots don't have to all go in and you don't have to block every shot (lol - come on now), you just have to put it together physically and mentally. If Bibby is worth his salary, he should be able to do that and ride the home court emotional momentum to get the win. He shouldn't be missing free throws and letting his man get to the basket for a game-tying layup at the last second. That's when you absolutely have to step up and play with your head.

 

[xyrin]

I agree with Kev.in

Yes, Bibby had a great game, but it was only a great offensive game. Some of you can live with Bibby's horrible defense? It was Bibby's defense that allowed Smush Parker to get that layup.

Sure, Bibby had a great OFFENSIVE game, but his DEFENSE resulted in the last layup from Smush, which tied it, and led to our loss.

 

[Warhawk]

To me, a flawless game would be making all the right decisions on both ends of the court. Elevate your game, outplay your matchup and make your teammates better as well. Kobe played pretty much a flawless game last night. Gilbert Arenas has had some games like that in the last few weeks. Tim Duncan always seems to bring it on that level when he plays in Arco. The shots don't have to all go in and you don't have to block every shot (lol - come on now), you just have to put it together physically and mentally. If Bibby is worth his salary, he should be able to do that and ride the home court emotional momentum to get the win. He shouldn't be missing free throws and letting his man get to the basket for a game-tying layup at the last second. That's when you absolutely have to step up and play with your head.

Well, you were the one emphasizing "perfect", not me. And Kobe missed some FT late, too. If you are going to ding Bibby for it, slap that moniker on Kobe as well.

You are also completely ignoring the fact that Bibby and Nasty were the only ones who really brought it last night. The rest of the team, well, didn't. Don't penalize Bibby for things he can't control.

 

[vladetomiller]

Yes it was a good game for Bibby, but lets compare something when we talk about money and worth.

Bibby is scoring 16.8 PPG at 38.4FG% and 36.8 3 PT % and gets paid 10 mil is it (not sure )

His opponent yesterday

Smush parker is scoring 8.9 PPG at 43.4 FG% and 34.6 3 PT % and gets paid less than a million a year.

Go figure

 

[Kev.in]

Well, you were the one emphasizing "perfect", not me. And Kobe missed some FT late, too. If you are going to ding Bibby for it, slap that moniker on Kobe as well.

You are also completely ignoring the fact that Bibby and Nasty were the only ones who really brought it last night. The rest of the team, well, didn't. Don't penalize Bibby for things he can't control.

The end result is what matters. Kobe made up for it and that's why I say he pretty much had a flawless or perfect type game. What could he have done better? Hit one more free throw and instead of piling on some more great plays in OT, they go home a little early.

I'm not ignoring the fact that Bibby and Corliss brought it. What you have to understand (or else come back to this thread and continue to be frustrated and make excuses) is that there is a difference between Bringing It and what I'm talking about. You're talking about two guys who had nice games but who couldn't close the game out whent hey had their chances. They literally, figureatively and and other "ly" came up short in this game. The ball was in Bibby's hands, in his control and he didn't make enough plays to get it done.

 

[ForlornKing]

Not a trade thread, guys.

Damn chill.

There just throwin it out there as speculation.

 

[Nazman]

Would agree w/ Kev.in and nbrans on this one. It's just terribly demoralizing to see Bibby shoot the lights out on one side of the court (can't believe that three he made in the closing minute) only to watch him fumble a critical defensive assignment (the tying layup w/seconds to go).

I keep an eye on this guy (Bibby) on defense whenever he's on the court oftentimes at the exclusion of everything else that's going on and i gotta tell ya that more often than not he is just not being effective if not totally messin up.

Kings had this one, once again, but LA finds gets the miraculous finish. Sir Charles had it right from the very onset, they were just too big and too talented w/ Kobe drawing ::shudder:: the double and triple teams leaving us way too vulnerable on the defensive end.

Maybe one day we will find our way back to the mix but this current ensemble looked easily overmatched by the Lakers