One AND ONLY Cousins trade rumors thread

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Sac.1989

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Kingster said:
Karl sure is making some elliptical answers to some straight-forward questions from Jim Crandall about the Cousins matter. When asked if he is interested in trading Cousins, he says he is interested in building the Kings and making it better. Karl was asked the same question; gave same answer.
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See this is the issue. The man cant dead set lye straight in bed.

We all know chances are this blows up down again in the future. The hard decision and the best decision would be to part ways with Karl now. Its clear given his responses that is involved in this debarcle.

Why would you responsd like that given the context of the situation. Why ?
 
SacKings384

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That Karl interview was such a nail in the coffin for me. Really George? You can't straight up say if you want to trade DMC or not? With all the rumors swirling you're still pulling this "well no player is untradeable" type answer? Man if I'm DMC/Vlade I'm fuming right now. This guy comes in, says he's not going to interfere with player personnel, something the front office SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED with him before hiring him... Then he comes in, starts calling other players about trying to get DMC dealt? This is embarrassing. Send George off into forced retirement, because he's got no chance at a head-coaching job if we can him.
 
John Galt

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Well I have certainly been willing to string up Karl over this, and I still am... but - maybe a degree of tension is tolerable between a star coach and a star player. I'm actually kind of ok with Vlade saying "you guys both have contracts, do your effing jobs". Maybe Karl doesn't need to backtrack all the way - just needs to make sure he does not issue any public "him or me" type comments.

But I would sure like to know more about the whole "lobbying teammates to get a case together to present to Vivek" crap. That is what sounds truly awful to me. Now if that is just Jason Thompson's interpretation of some meeting he had with Karl - maybe it is something like that. Some journeyman scrub players reading into things. But I'd sure like to see a player with some balls come out and own this.
 
rainmaker

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Padrino said:
napear's talking a buncha nonsense, per the usual. who, exactly, has been kissing demarcus cousins' ass?
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No one's a bigger ass kisser than Napear to whomever is signing his checks.

hrdboild said:
Phil Jackson was/is like this too. In the same way that you can put up with a player's attitude if they're superbly talented sometimes you put up with a me-first coach if they get results and George Karl has always gotten results.
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Phil was a master at getting along with some of the biggest egos of his era and having them mesh enough to win. Karl has a longer track record of disputes turning public, resulting in trading players or leaving on bad terms.

John Galt said:
Can I use this as an avatar? whose property is it. It is beautiful and magnificent!
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I should have copyrighted the name Vladfather. Glad its taken hold though as he speaks as if he's in total control and panic isn't part of his DNA.

HereWeBoogie said:
Jason Jones
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Also, I've had more sources confirm the Yahoo report that Karl had contacted teams and players on Kings to get DMC dealt. Oh the fun.
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Yeah, I don't believe Karl. This Karl/Cuz beef isn't going anywhere. If Karl isn't fired, Cuz will be traded at some point. I get that people are happy about what Vlade has said but this issue will be there, waiting to bubble at the least. Karl's had these issues everywhere he's been. Can only attempt to cover it up for so long.
 
Kingster

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The Hammer said:
Ok, so we're assuming it was PDA or perhaps a cousins suitor who made the leaks... maybe PDA did it on behalf of the Lakers to earn gerbil points. A friend to all is a friend to none.
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It really looks like Cousins' agent was involved. Napier also seems to implicate Cousins agent, FWIW. Was the agent the only one involved? Open question.
 
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Karl has to go no and ifs or buts about it. If Divac thinks they can patch it up he's sadly mistaken. Going behind a players back like that is the ultimate betrayal can't even think of anything worse. Did tht moron not think the player would tell boogie what a moron
 
Chupacabra

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The strong move here is to fire Karl. As the FO, if youve mandated that Cousins will not be traded and someone below you tries to shop Cousins...you fire the subordinate. Not only does it solve the immediate problem, it sends the message to Cousins that the franchise has his back. It also projects strength to the rest of the league and sends the message that we dont play games.
 
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Phil Jackson wanted to trade Kobe... Kobe and Phil hated each other... I'd say while it was drama... it worked out ok when they started winning... anyway a coach wanting to trade the star player happens more than we all might think.... Like Divac said... "its not gonna happen" and if we make the playoffs next year than that could be the end of this nonsense
 
Chicken Chaser

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I was listening to Grant's show on the way home from Arden. Truly repulsive. I caught the tail-end of it where he throws his usual tantrums at poor callers who remotely suggest anything supporting Cousins. He blamed Cousins for the firings of Paul Westphal and Keith Smart--I can believe the Westphal side, but Smart wasn't going to last anyway especially when the new ownership came in.
 
ElRey

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Merdiesel said:
Jason Jones is a piece of **** with an agenda...

He's not a journalist, he's a typical Lakers fan using his job to stir **** up. Have some dignity you scum bag.
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Yeah I would take anything Jones say as a grain of salt. He is a notorious Lakers fan, and we know he doesn't really have any "sources" within the Kings. You could tell from his article today that his "source" is Cousin's agent.
 
jcwkings

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To play devils advocate, or as someone who isnt on either side of the fence yet until all facts come out.

Doesnt Karl have the right to want commitment from the franchise player? If DMC's crew requested a trade( by all indications they did and must have had permission from Boogie himself). If you go into training camp with Cousins(who can be tricky to work with as is) not commited to the plan of a hall of fame coach who want to win as much as you Demarcus. I feel he has the right to say, "hey you know what if he is not committed to us, then bring me guys who are". A poisonous lockerroom can kill any team. On the other side a united team can make up for lack of talent to an extent. Look at the Hawks, Suns from 2 years ago, Karls Denver team. How many times has this board said "we are more talented than that squad" yet we get steamrolled by said team?
 
Sac.Kings

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ElRey said:
Yeah I would take anything Jones say as a grain of salt. He is a notorious Lakers fan, and we know he doesn't really have any "sources" within the Kings. You could tell from his article today that his "source" is Cousin's agent.
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I spent 7 years in school studying all kinds of stuff. You know what the first thing a professor asks you when you say something that sounds like you read it from somewhere? Source please? And you better have a damn source for what you just said, otherwise it is plagiarism and it completely nullifies what you just said if you can't prove it.

The same lesson applies here in the NBA world. When I see a tweet that says "source confirms .... " the first thing I think of is who and what source? The original poster also better have a source himself, otherwise I won't believe it. In the medical world, you don't get paid for what you do unless you have data and evidence that proves its effectiveness. The same should apply here.
 
iowamcnabb

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jcwkings said:
To play devils advocate, or as someone who isnt on either side of the fence yet until all facts come out.

Doesnt Karl have the right to want commitment from the franchise player? If DMC's crew requested a trade( by all indications they did and must have had permission from Boogie himself). If you go into training camp with Cousins(who can be tricky to work with as is) not commited to the plan of a hall of fame coach who want to win as much as you Demarcus. I feel he has the right to say, "hey you know what if he is not committed to us, then bring me guys who are".
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I think that's fair. If they are both committed and win they can make the marriage work it's just hard to imagine this union lasting long term. Vlades leadership and a winning record could smooth many issues over. Let's hope.
 
Sac.Kings

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Where is Shaq in all this. He was all over media when he became part owner but has since disappeared
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Shaq? You mean the guy that left the Orlando Magic ... something that took them years and years to recover from and never really did until they drafted Dwight Howard? The guy that is a Laker at heart, one of the teams rumored in all of this? Shaq really has no reason to be involved in all of this, and I wouldn't want him to be. What do you think he will say to DMC? Lakers... bright lights...rich contracts, rich history. He would only make it worse.
 
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jcwkings said:
To play devils advocate, or as someone who isnt on either side of the fence yet until all facts come out.

Doesnt Karl have the right to want commitment from the franchise player? If DMC's crew requested a trade( by all indications they did and must have had permission from Boogie himself). If you go into training camp with Cousins(who can be tricky to work with as is) not commited to the plan of a hall of fame coach who want to win as much as you Demarcus. I feel he has the right to say, "hey you know what if he is not committed to us, then bring me guys who are". A poisonous lockerroom can kill any team. On the other side a united team can make up for lack of talent to an extent. Look at the Hawks, Suns from 2 years ago, Karls Denver team. How many times has this board said "we are more talented than that squad" yet we get steamrolled by said team?
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I think there is a lot of truth to that part....if DeMarcus is committed then Karl is committed. I think there has been a lot of stirring the pot from Fegan and PDA and the timeline of all this, as Bricklayer had laid out earlier, is stretched all over the place.

I do believe that Vlade is the perfect guy to resolve this. It would be nice if Cousins and Karl would check their egos when the time comes.
 
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SacKings384 said:
That Karl interview was such a nail in the coffin for me. Really George? You can't straight up say if you want to trade DMC or not? With all the rumors swirling you're still pulling this "well no player is untradeable" type answer? Man if I'm DMC/Vlade I'm fuming right now. This guy comes in, says he's not going to interfere with player personnel, something the front office SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED with him before hiring him... Then he comes in, starts calling other players about trying to get DMC dealt? This is embarrassing. Send George off into forced retirement, because he's got no chance at a head-coaching job if we can him.
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I see nothing wrong with what Karl said. There is nothing wrong with Cuz and Karl having issues at this point with each other. Nothing is embarrassing about this. If all is not settled between the two or with either one then don't lie about it. Let's see how this sorts out and not inject our own ill- informed opinions to help screw things up.
 
Chicken Chaser

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http://www.sacbee.com/incoming/article25359394.html

Here's my transcript of the interview. If there's anything off let me know. You need to have adblock turned off to view the interview or else it doesn't load. I wasn't sure whether to capture all of Karl's um's and other audibles, or to transcribe them so it's easier to read and understand.

Crandall: [With] so much flying around your team right now, um, will you set the record straight where you and DeMarcus are at this point?

Karl: Well you know, *sigh*- You know, I think it's just a lot of really crazy, crazy fibs and lies. You know, it's just a situation where--you know, we won 29 games last year. And for us as a basketball organization, we want to get better. Cousins is our best player, we know that. We want him committed and dedicated to being in Sacramento, and playing and leading us to the first playoffs in Sacramento in 6, 7, 8, 9 years.

Crandall: You are NOT interested in trading DeMarcus Cousins?

Karl: You know, my interest right now is commitment, trust, and building a team that's excited about being in Sacramento, excited and committed to being a good basketball team, and representing the city of Sacramento.

Crandall: And that includes, in your mind, Cousins staying here?

Karl: If he comes committed, I'm a hundred, hundred-twenty percent committed to making him the best basketball player he'll ever be.

Crandall: Do you have some question about his commitment?

Karl: Well/What- no, no, no. In the 30 games I coached him--I mean, we were all frustrated with losing. You know, I'm sure-- I was only here for 30 games, and so the frustration I'm sure is double that for Cuz and all the players who was here for the whole season.

Crandall: Optimistic about the draft? Free agency?

Karl: I'm optimistic about the process. The process starts on Thursday. And the process of getting better, the process of who to sign, who to trade for, who to draft--all that stuff begins Thursday night, and I think we're ready. I think Vlade's done a tremendous job in getting us focused, and he's asking the right questions, and we'll make a good decision come Thursday.

P.S. I was double checking my work and I was really surprised how many words I got wrong. Little things like "everyone" vs. "all the players". The message is about the same, but one can imagine how silly a game of telephone can be over other sensitive matters.
 
jcwkings

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VF21 said:
George Karl needs to STFU. The only person speaking for the Kings right now should be Vlade. If I were in charge, I would start fining anyone who spoke to the media without clearing it with Vlade first.
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I dont see anything wrong with what Karl said. Cousins camp requested a trade, he wants players that are committed. If your best player(who is a perrenial loser) doesnt buy into your coach(who is a proven winner), than you bring guys in that will play together and buy into a team game.
 
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VF21 said:
George Karl needs to STFU. The only person speaking for the Kings right now should be Vlade. If I were in charge, I would start fining anyone who spoke to the media without clearing it with Vlade first.
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Ha. I got the feeling that George would have LOVED to just not say anything. His body language was pretty clear. Unfortunately, a "no comment" would have been interpreted as an agreement that Coach wanted Boogie gone, so he pretty much had to give at least one interview. Let's hope it is the last on this subject.
 
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jcwkings said:
I dont see anything wrong with what Karl said. Cousins camp requested a trade, he wants players that are committed. If your best player(who is a perrenial loser) doesnt buy into your coach(who is a proven winner), than you bring guys in that will play together and buy into a team game.
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Then we see things entirely differently.

This isn't a time for Karl to be making pronouncements about players and their commitment. Your dislike of Cousins is tainting your view. It's a time for EVERYBODY to circle the wagons for the good of the team. THAT'S a real team game, not making "clever" comments about commitment, etc. Especially after the coach you're so enamored of tosses down the gauntlet by saying no player is untradeable, something Vlade and Vivek have now had to address way too many times.

I reiterate. Vlade Divac needs to be the ONLY one speaking for the Kings right now.
 
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Fireplug said:
Ha. I got the feeling that George would have LOVED to just not say anything. His body language was pretty clear. Unfortunately, a "no comment" would have been interpreted as an agreement that Coach wanted Boogie gone, so he pretty much had to give at least one interview. Let's hope it is the last on this subject.
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I disagree, Plug. George Karl has been working the media for years. He could have chosen any number of ways to dodge questions. He's done it in the past. He should/could simply defer to Vlade - especially after he said the Woj article was full of fibs and lies.
 
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