OK, I'm more worried now...

[CruzDude]

In a post a couple of days ago I held back opinion as to wether the Kings were turning the corner or not, based on the Jazz and Spurs game, until they finished this 4 game road trip against 4 bad east coast teams, two with the worst records in the league. Team records before they played Kings:
NY 16-16
Tor 11-22
Atl 4-26
NO 2-29

Unfortunately the Kings made the bottom of the league look like good teams with poor defense, lackadasical attitudes and lack of hustle. The Raptors beat us playing a poor game and making free throws, Atlanta out shot, out hustled and out layup’d us 64-33. New Orleans has only scored 100 pts twice in 31 games until the Kings came along then they hit 13 3-pts, 4 in OT!!! Sure it was 4th game in 5 days, but if the Kings think they are a good team then they have to beat the bottom of the barrel, away and at home. Oh yeah, I forgot, we lost at home to two sub-500 teams recently.

Say what you want, the facts speak for themselves. The current Kings are not very good and sure don’t scare anyone anymore, least of all some of the worst teams in the league. They are 5-5 in the last 10.

I think the problem lies with both the starters and the Coach. Attitude and mind set. They, the starters, still think (and act like) they can show up and win and play accordingly.

As a fan, it is frustrating and irritating. They can play better and once and awhile they show us. But consistency and the lack thereof is becoming a widespread disease. Sadder yet is none of us, or the Kings, seem to know what is a solution. We'll all wait it out but ...........

 

[piksi]

You are not the only one

And it will happen again

 

[BLNINJA #81]

i have to admit, even though I think we could win it all, This is quite worrysome to me...

 

[BJax24]

it's still early, but the season is going by quickly. the do still have enough time to turn it around

 

[Brewer16]

yeah still early (sorta) but its still not a good sign, we should NOT lose to teams like NO and Toronto

 

[HndsmCelt]

Ok a week ago the Kings beat SA, then went to NY where they have historicaly had real trouble and won, now a week later after a bad road trip the wheels are falling off? Excuse me If I don't get on the impending doom band waggon. The Kings will fly home a few days off and then face up against Denver and the Jazz. I'll be at Thursdays game sreaming my lungs out and enjoying the game. Afterwrds I might revist this thread. But unitll then I see this as a bad loss but only one loss on a 2-2 road trimp that sure could have been better.

 

[shaka zulu]

The kings must win games like tonight with no excuses involved CHAMPIONSHIP TEAMS kicked the bad TEAMS when they are down wounded and all. They have no mercy no compassion on the journey towards winning a CHAMPIONSHIP.They smell blood and go for the kill.The KINGS need to be really pissed and each player must look himself or herself in the mirror and asked the question do they want it Bad enough do they really want to be CHAMPIONS and us FANS are included.When you constantly miss rebounds after missed free throws when you need that BALL and the game is tight something is wrong.When your COACH elects to play inexperienced players regardless of what you did 2 minutes ago and he doesn't use his more experienced VET who knows his other 4 guys has experience in tuff game situtations and is all defense the past 5 seasons and you really need this DEFENSIVE stop and he is on the BENCH something is wrong.

When you have a scorer like PEJA STOJAKOVIC on your TEAM and he is hot he has scored 10 points in 2 minutes and during last 2 minutes he doesn't touch the ball when you need his hot hand and you go pick n roll with a player who is not in rythym and he has just entered from sitting he has a bad knee that needs time to get warm the game you go away from your HOT HAND and elect to go pick n roll with COLD HAND something is wrong do you really want to WIN.

 

[Bballkingsrock]

I thought that the Kings would do good and have more confidence and momentum after the San Antonio game, but I guess I was wrong.

 

[kgrichwine]

Don't worry the Kings will never fail to disappoint.

 

[Rockmeister]

You are not the only one

And it will happen again

And again, and again, and again...well, you get the picture.

 

[vj9999]

I didn't watch the game tonight (I recorded it, but doubt I'll be watching it ) so can't comment on tonights performance.

We still have the sixth best record in the league. There are 50 games left and anything can happen. Big wins are important, but bad losses are just as important. Review tapes, try to learn from mistakes and move on.

Go Kings!!!

 

[Kingsgurl]

The kings must win games like tonight with no excuses involved CHAMPIONSHIP TEAMS kicked the bad TEAMS when they are down wounded and all. They have no mercy no compassion on the journey towards winning a CHAMPIONSHIP.They smell blood and go for the kill.

Really? That's the way it works, eh? Championship teams never lose to the bottom dwellers? So the lakers of 01-02, eventual NBA Champions if you may remember, didn't lose to the bottom dwellers of the league consistently? Swept by the Bulls, beat by Miami, beat by Memphis when Memphis was still a lowly team. They lost to ALL the bad teams that year.
While I do agree the Kings SHOULD have won tonights game, I don't agree with the premise that a loss to a downtrodden team means you kiss any hopes of a Championship good-bye.
In case you haven't been paying attention, the Hornets are a totally different team when Davis is healthy and playing well. Their record is a bit misleading. They played well enough to win and we didn't. They shot 50% from the arc, for goodness sakes. We talk about the interior defense all the time, but where the hell is the perimeter defense?


And Cruzdude, I don't know why YOU are still worried, you got it all figured out, the Kings just aren't very good

 

[shaka zulu]

Really? That's the way it works, eh? Championship teams never lose to the bottom dwellers? So the lakers of 01-02, eventual NBA Champions if you may remember, didn't lose to the bottom dwellers of the league consistently? Swept by the Bulls, beat by Miami, beat by Memphis when Memphis was still a lowly team. They lost to ALL the bad teams that year.
While I do agree the Kings SHOULD have won tonights game, I don't agree with the premise that a loss to a downtrodden team means you kiss any hopes of a Championship good-bye.
In case you haven't been paying attention, the Hornets are a totally different team when Davis is healthy and playing well. Their record is a bit misleading. They played well enough to win and we didn't. They shot 50% from the arc, for goodness sakes. We talk about the interior defense all the time, but where the hell is the perimeter defense?


And Cruzdude, I don't know why YOU are still worried, you got it all figured out, the Kings just aren't very good

They played well enough win 3 times this year.

 

[Kingsgurl]

They played well enough to win TONIGHT. I bet they end up with more than 3 wins on the season. I wonder if every team that loses to them will whip out the rusty razor-blades?
Are you going to address the real point of my post, or just dodge it?

 

[SaCTowNFeveR]

All I know is the Kings better start guarding the perimeter better than they have been so far this year.

 

[AriesMar27]

well.... against the kings, if there is an open 3.... you know that its going in. next game, the hornets will miss every single one of them.... the same thing happened to the lakers after we lost to them.

 

[Kingsgurl]

Sure seems that way, doesn't it?

 

[shaka zulu]

They played well enough to win TONIGHT. I bet they end up with more than 3 wins on the season. I wonder if every team that loses to them will whip out the rusty razor-blades?
Are you going to address the real point of my post, or just dodge it?

The kings have a thang to let BAD TEAMS NON FACTOR PLAYERS get career highs bust out of slumps and have record breaking Games against them.To compare them with the Lakers of 2001-2002 you cannot.The kings are there own brand of TEAM they have there own flaws they have there OWN Brand of LOSING GAMES.The KINGS are always judged by there inability too stick a fork into there opponents when they are down in Big games or even games they should normally win and this is a mentality that people say we don't have this mentality is a killer instinct.Why does Baron Davis have a mediocre game last night versus the Grizzlies and then come out tonight get career Highs in assists 17 get a rare Triple double and Help get a rookie career highs in points.The hornets are a Terrible TEAM who loose because they can't score,But they come out against us and get 121 points season high and can't score 80 points against the Grizzlies,This is not expectable and it is unexusable play.We played soft and should have flet sorry for a TEAM that won't win another Game in maybe another 3 or 4 weeks from Now.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

We should have a contest to predict the title of CruzDude's next thread. I'll start:




Now I'm even MORE worried...
Can you tell how worried I am now?
I know I said I was worried before, but now I'm REALLY worried!

 

[hoops4kings]

Hey I'm worried too. I'm worried about getting slapped out in the 2nd round of the playoffs once again because of bad habits. These bad losses are gonna come back and haunt this team come playoff seedings. The frustrating thing about this team is that they don't BRING IT every night. If they did and they lost, fine, but they don't. Watch them turn up the intensity come playoff time (just like last year), but it will probably be a case of too little too late. We've lost the last 2 years in game 7's on the road (injuries aside, I think this team wins both of those if they are at ARCO).

I didn't see tonight's game but certainly didn't think they'd lose. Anything less than 3-1 on this road trip against these teams is a disappointment and an underachievement.

 

[VF21]

My prediction:

What, me worry?

 

[VF21]

I didn't see tonight's game but...

That always cracks me up. People don't see the game but have no problems in commenting on it.

No offense meant in any way, hoops4kings...You were just the one who happened to make the statement this time.

 

[hoops4kings]

It's the first one I've missed this year. Anyway, I was reading other people's comments on the game and just the fact that we lost to NO was kinda surprising. Like I said, if they played their butt's off for the whole game and lost, cool. But anything less....ya know what I mean.

And I live here in Sac, so seeing the games usually isn't a problem unless I have to go to dinner with the in laws and can't get out of it. LOL!

 

[vj9999]

I didn't watch the game tonight (I recorded it, but doubt I'll be watching it ) so can't comment on tonights performance.

I was clear in my post that I didn't see the game so I couldn't comment on it (I feel pathetic quoting myself though )

 

[Kingsgurl]

To compare them with the Lakers of 2001-2002 you cannot

Um, I just did. YOU said Champoinship teams never lose to inferior competition. They do. I illustrated it.

Why does Baron Davis have a mediocre game last night versus the Grizzlies and then come out tonight get career Highs in assists 17 get a rare Triple double and Help get a rookie career highs in points

Maybe because Bibbby can't stop anyone and in the second half he had a rookie on him for most of the night? Maybe he felt really good? Maybe he had a V8?

The KINGS are always judged by there inability too stick a fork into there opponents when they are down in Big games or even games they should normally win and this is a mentality that people say we don't have this mentality is a killer instinct.

Well, why didn't the lakers of that year stick a fork in the bulls hiney when they had the chance? Big games? what does losing to a team you should beat have to do with 'Big Games'? Trying to turn the conversation away from the original inaccurate statement you made about Championship teams NEVER losing the games they should win?

 

[hoops4kings]

I don't think anyone needs to see the game to be surprised they lost to NO. We're talking about NO. Maybe they played their best game of the year, coincidentally against the Kings. Sighs.

 

[6th]

Maybe because Bibbby can't stop anyone and in the second half he had a rookie on him for most of the night? Maybe he felt really good? Maybe he had a V8?

ROFLMAO!!!

 

[shaka zulu]

Um, I just did. YOU said Champoinship teams never lose to inferior competition. They do. I illustrated it.


Maybe because Bibbby can't stop anyone and in the second half he had a rookie on him for most of the night? Maybe he felt really good? Maybe he had a V8?



Well, why didn't the lakers of that year stick a fork in the bulls hiney when they had the chance? Big games? what does losing to a team you should beat have to do with 'Big Games'? Trying to turn the conversation away from the original inaccurate statement you made about Championship teams NEVER losing the games they should win?

like I said you can't compare the lakers of 2001-2002 to the sacramento kings 2004-2005.They are two different TEAMS who are on two different journey's Toward finishing the highest that they can this season which is winning a CHAPIONSHIP.The kings have there own learning situations and loosing games like this one is not a food sign for this TEAM.We must win games we ar supposed to win especially against a TEAM who has only won 2 games,The kings should be tired to play ginnie pig to every slump every loser every cheat.Let some other TEAM be embarrassed and made example of The kings should allow themselves to be that example.

 

[VF21]

Okay, I'll try and make it easier for you to comprehend:

During the 2001-2002 season, BEFORE the Lakers won the title in June 2002, they were a team attempting to win a championship. With me so far?

During that period, they lost to horrible teams. Abysmal teams. Still with me?

At the end of the season, guess what? Despite those horrible losses to bottom-feeders, the Lakers won the championship.

This is the 2004-2005 season. The Kings are a team that would love to win a championship. Thus far in their quest, they have a winning record BUT they've lost to some horrible teams.

Do you see a parallel yet?

We DON'T know what June 2005 will bring.

You, shaka, made the comment that championship teams never lose the games they should win. Well, you're wrong. Period.

The team that eventually won the championship in 2002 DID lose some games they should have won and guess what? They still won the championship.

 

[KP]

Okay, I'll try and make it easier for you to comprehend:

During the 2001-2002 season, BEFORE the Lakers won the title in June 2002, they were a team attempting to win a championship. With me so far?

During that period, they lost to horrible teams. Abysmal teams. Still with me?

At the end of the season, guess what? Despite those horrible losses to bottom-feeders, the Lakers won the championship.

This is the 2004-2005 season. The Kings are a team that would love to win a championship. Thus far in their quest, they have a winning record BUT they've lost to some horrible teams.

Do you see a parallel yet?

We DON'T know what June 2005 will bring.

You, shaka, made the comment that championship teams never lose the games they should win. Well, you're wrong. Period.

The team that eventually won the championship in 2002 DID lose some games they should have won and guess what? They still won the championship.

God these people are driving me crazy!(Not you Vf I just liked your post) If we lose to the good teams it means we have no chance, if we lose to the bad teams we have no chance. No NBA team has ever won all 82 games. Baron Davis had a triple double. That was not the first time he's ever done that. You can't get to high after a win, you can't get to low after a loss, no matter who it's too. Cruz Dude you don't have to tell us your worried after every couple of losses we already know you are.