Offseason plan (merged)

[nbrans]

Sure it's still the regular season and the playoffs are still to come and who knows what will happen. But the Kings are still a couple moves away from contention, and I'm looking forward to the NBA Draft about as much as I'm looking forward to the playoffs. Here's a pie in the sky plan to make the Kings contenders in one offseason.

Trade #1
Chicago Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Tyson Chandler
Incoming
Francisco Garcia, Jamaal Magloire

Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Kenny Thomas, Francisco Garcia, 2006 1st Round Pick
Incoming
Tyson Chandler

Milwaukee Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Jamaal Magloire
Incoming
Kenny Thomas, 1st Round Pick

Why for the Bulls: they get a more consistent center (whose deal just happens is expiring in 2007) and a promising shooting guard
Why for the Bucks: they get an athletic power forward (they have all centers) and a pick
Why for the Kings: interior presence, rebounding

Trade #2
Seattle Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Ray Allen, Earl Watson
Incoming
Mike Bibby, Corliss Williamson, Kevin Martin

Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Mike Bibby, Corliss Williamson, Kevin Martin
Incoming
Ray Allen, Earl Watson

Why Seattle makes the deal: they get out from Ray Allen's deal and get a good point guard in Bibby, a young promising 2 guard and Corliss' expiring deal. There are rumors of a fire sale in Seattle, and I doubt they'd get a better deal than this.
Why Sacramento makes the deal: I'm sure this trade will get howls of derision. Bibby AND Martin for Allen and Watson? I just think that if the Kings are going to use Bibby primarily as a shooter, might as well get someone who is a better shooter (Ray Allen). Watson fits the new defensive mindset, he's a great distributor, and he's added a shot. Martin may eventually turn into a star or he may not. But Allen would help the Kings win immediately.

Free Agent Signing #1:
Bonzi

Free Agent Signing #2:
Go after Mike James with the MLE. If that doesn't work, go after Marcus Banks (probably more realistic)

Free Agent Signing #3
Mario Kasun for the LLE

Your 2006/2007 Kings:

PG: Earl Watson/Marcus Banks/Ronnie Price
SG: Ray Allen/Bonzi Wells
SF: Ron Artest/Bonzi Wells/Sergei Monia
PF: Tyson Chandler/Shareef Abdur-Rahim
C: Brad Miller/Shareef Abdur-Rahim/Mario Kasun

With Watson, Artest and Chandler anchoring the defense this group would be extremely tough. And offensively it would be a more well-rounded unit. You have a solid distributor in Watson, the best shooter in basketball in Allen, Artest would have room to operate out of the post, and Miller hits the jump shots. A Banks/Wells/Abdur-Rahim bench would be on of the best the Kings have ever had.

I think this would be a serious team. You have three defensive specialists, rebounding, shotblocking, outside shooting, post play and punch off the bench.

 

[Kings113]

I absolutely love it, nbrans.

Watson/Banks have been playing well w/ their new teams, out of the platoon/third PG spot.

 

[Entity]

so basically only 4 ppl return from this years roster. Not likely. I don't envision Bibby going anywhere. I do see us going after a PF but i would like one a little better than Chandler. Plus the most likely thing that will happen is the maloofs see the turn around since the trade and they stand pat going only with a few free agent signings may a small trade here and there involving nothing and trying to capitalize in the draft

I say this because that is what they said last year when we traded Webber they wanted to see what the team could do with more time and that team didn't do all that well to finish the season. Now this team has turned around since the trade and they are probably more optomistic for next season than they were last season.

 

[SacKings4Life21]

Hmmmm I really really like that trade. I mean I just don't see it happening though. Ray isn;t going anywhere... And I havn't heard anything in seattle about the thought of trading him, where did u hear this? And Sac is way way way to emotionally attatched to thier players...(which is not smart but oh well) so bibby wont get traded anyway.

But wow if that could go down... i would be so Effing happy i might have to change my pants. But lets not get our hopes up

 

[Burrito06]

I dont like Chandler at all. Yeah he rebounds well but he picks up to many fouls trying to block shots. He's a good shot blocker just not a smart one, he leaves his feet on pump fakes. He doesn't score consistently. I would rather keep Kenny. Besides if we did have Chandler I can see many people on this board complaining about him.

 

[SacTownKid]

I don't know about putting Ray with Ron. Ray needs too many shots and you know Ron wants his. I see a Brad Miller that shoots less than he does now.

 

[Bricklayer]

Hey, works for me and might well be a serious contender. But there would be a few downsides -- namely weak looking PG platoon, and age and twitchiness of our OG/presumably leading scorer.


As far as Brad, if anything it should cause him to shoot MORE, as there would only be two offensive options ahead of him, and then two non-shooting defensive oriented players at the PG and PF. He woould be a clear #3, and he would frankly HAVE to score consistently for us.

 

[Packt]

Cut out the Seattle deal and you have the same team while retaining consistency and youth.

 

[SacKings4Life21]

why all of a sudden is watson such a top notch PG. wat has he proven. I mean he is good, but he gets so many props and i dont understand. Hmmm Ray and Ron wold be so amazing but seattle just wont go for it and ray and ron might not get along...

I thinkwe need top persue ben wallace. Him and Ron are good buddies hehehe

 

[Sirius]

I don't think people appreciate how good Mike Bibby really is.

 

[nbrans]

Well, I believe Bibby has a trade kicker, and I seriously doubt he'd want to be part of a rebuilding Seattle team. So that trade is just wishful thinking on my part. But still, I really like Earl Watson's defense and steady play and Ray Allen's shooting.

If the Kings could somehow turn Kenny Thomas into someone like Chandler it would be ideal, and that alone might be enough to make the Kings a serious team. But getting the Kings to contender-level would probably still depend on Kevin Martin developing into a very good player and finding a backup point guard.

 

[Kings113]

Agreed on Watson.

Getting a better back-up PG shouldn't be a problem this summer.

 

[BMiller52]

I thinkwe need top persue ben wallace. Him and Ron are good buddies hehehe

Uhhhh actually they're the exact opposite of good buddies.

 

[Insomniacal Fan]

Thus the "hehehe".

 

[Entity]

i think we are contender level now. We just need some more time together to get some on court chemistry going. we aren't really getting killed night in and night out by any one thing like teams before. KT, SAR, and Brad have done a nice job on the premier big men this year.. I still would like to see the PF position upgraded with a move involving KT and any of the 6 players we don't play or all of them. we should keep

Bibby
Bonzi
Artest
SAR
Miller
Martin
Cisco

the rest are expendable.

i have seen alot of trade Bibby posts. I feel he is to important of a cog to the team now to trade. That is a gamble. you know what you got with Bibby and how he works with the team. What you don't know is how well someone coming in would work. Artest is far from 100% right now. Next season if you give me those 7 players and role playing PF with some size such as Francisco Elso, Nene. We don't need to change the dynamic of this current team as they are growing and getting better but we need to add more useable pieces. because the rest Hart, Price, Monya, Williamson, Sampson, Potapenko are worthless to us but may be needed by someone else just see, Maybe trade all of them for a bunch of 2nd round picks and get 5 PF/C and see who is the best and go to the FA as well

 

[Bricklayer]

We're 25th in the league in rebounding. 26th in the league in shotblocking. Those numbers will not improve by sitting on our hands, and we are NEVER even remotely sniffing a title until they do.

We also of course lack a true #1 option who is there EVERY night, are running messy platoons at 2 of our positions, and do not have a backup PG or backup C. We are not contenders.

Do we have to get as dramatic as THIS proposal? Maybe. Maybe not. But we need to make at least one major move to have any shot at all, and likely some smaller moves arouond the edges too.

 

[ForlornKing]

We're 25th in the league in rebounding. 26th in the league in shotblocking. Those numbers will not improve by sitting on our hands, and we are NEVER even remotely sniffing a title until they do.

We also of course lack a true #1 option who is there EVERY night, are running messy platoons at 2 of our positions, and do not have a backup PG or backup C. We are not contenders.

Do we have to get as dramatic as THIS proposal? Maybe. Maybe not. But we need to make at least one major move to have any shot at all, and likely some smaller moves arouond the edges too.

Brick, What do you suppose we do?

 

[Kings113]

I suggest we go after a defensive big man, and/or play Sampson some reg. minutes if still here (applies to the young big/guy needless of ball acquisition proposal). The big and back-up PG must be addressed in the summer, don't see how it can't or will not.

 

[Bricklayer]

Brick, What do you suppose we do?

So many permutations its almost impossible to tell right now.

Random thoughts:

-- Reef has shown some potency as a 6th man. But if he's your third big, the starter ahead of him has to be big and fierce, because Reef and Brad are the worst rebounding frontcourt duo in the NBA at this point, and neither is capable of playing defensive center.

-- if we let Bonzi go, our rebounding issue gets even more acute. Then we absolutley HAVE to get a board-mashing big man, because there basically are no other little guys who will get you 7-8 a game. If we keep Bonzi, it makes it at least possible, if not preferable, tol have 2 of your 3 bigs be Brad and Reef.

--we will need a true shooter off the bench somewhere, regardless of any of the above

-- it makes sense to consolidate our needs/solutions. We need a backup center, as well as a shotblocker/rebounder. Make him the same man, a big PF/C, then let him start, and slide over to center when Brad leaves the game. Similarly, we need a backup PG and a shooter off the bench. Make him the same man, and make him a PG/OG ala Bobby so that he can get enough minutes to have an impact with his shooting even when Mike is still in the game.Chandler and James are oft mentioned for these roles because they fill our apparent needs perfectly.

-- whether Rick is back or not makes a considerable difference in the relative values of players etc. Many people ignore GMing to the coach. But its significant. Does no good to get certain players if the coach can't or won't use them. Get the feeling Rick might try to once again mash the lineups into the Princeton type sets, and so Brad becomes a necessity. If its somebody else...?

-- the lack of a dependable elite #1 option on offense is huge and our eternal nasty Achilles heel. Almost have to get lucky there barring the KG sweepstakes becoming reality. Nbtrans attempted to fill the hole with Allen. Not sure he's quite that player, but its a thought.

 

[Kings113]

Rasual Butler or Jumaine Jones (Butler the better overall shooter) would be good to get, especially if Bonzi's gone (for bench). Charlie Bell is a good scorer, 3PT shooter, defender and not a bad playmaker. Showing that since coming back in January, as the Bucks have an overload at PG now. If we can't get Mike James, which is likely.

 

[Kings113]

Draft Cedric Simmons.

 

[Kings113]

Roby has one of the best combinations of shooting and athleticism available. He still has to gain consistency and strength but has lottery level talent and go-to ability. Roby gives the Kings a shooting guard with more upside than the two they drafted the past two years (Garcia and Martin) who have been solid, but not stars. Sacramento will hope that the third time's a charm.

http://www.nbadraft.net/2006mock001.asp

Oh, yeah, just ignore Martin/Garcia from late November-mid-March (and seem to be bouncing back a bit), and where we lack youth talent is up front. Plus we have Monia, who I wouldn't say is a definite trade piece. We are definitely not drafting another wing player, unless Petrie does plan to trade one or two of them away.

 

[chelle]

I actually think our biggest concern is going to be who we get to fill all the coaching vacancies this summer.

Other than that, I want MINOR tweaking this off season (barring a KG masterpiece!). I believe one of our biggest weaknesses has been our lack of cohesion. There has been too much turnover and not enough consistent time playing together.

I do want to see all of the bigger changes done this summer. I DO NOT WANT ANY MID-SEASON TRADES (barring a KG masterpeice, of course!)

 

[Kings113]

Honestly, don't think there'll be a need for any in season trades. Can't see us not addressing back-up pg and a back-up PF/C (Potapenko is not it).

 

[SacTownKid]

Yeah, there is no way this summer is a dud. Its pretty obvious that this team has flaws, but is very close to being a contender.

Drafting another wing player? I could see it happening. Petrie will draft the most talented player available if something great slips to us. Can't say that is a bad thing. Except for the fact that the player will enter into Gerald Wallace territory where he is buried forever more until he gets traded or his deal runs out.

 

[Troy]

I actually think our biggest concern is going to be who we get to fill all the coaching vacancies this summer.

Other than that, I want MINOR tweaking this off season (barring a KG masterpiece!). I believe one of our biggest weaknesses has been our lack of cohesion. There has been too much turnover and not enough consistent time playing together.

I do want to see all of the bigger changes done this summer. I DO NOT WANT ANY MID-SEASON TRADES (barring a KG masterpeice, of course!)

I sumwhat like Nbrans massive trade, but you are totally correct chelle, we need cohesion really more than anything. I'm not saying keep KT as our PF guy, we definately need to figure this out in the offseason as well as if Brad is our Center for the future which I don't think he is unless we get a big powerfull PF to overcome Brad's huge defensive and lack of aggression tendencies. I'm all for a KG masterpiece, but only with Miller, KT, Corliss and some cash, major cash if that's what it takes.

Come on we have the Maloofs as our owners, write KG a nice check...you know he deserves it and we should go all the way....you brought us so close with Bonzi and Artest, now let's go all the way with KG. You think they'll buy it, with the Cartman voice thrown in for good measure???? I sure hope so.

 

[master]

What about Corliss+Potapenko for Ratliff for our backup C?
I also like Kasun for the LLE

 

[SacTownKid]

What about Corliss+Potapenko for Ratliff for our backup C?
I also like Kasun for the LLE

That's a lot of dough to shell out for a backup C. Plus I think Ratliff will fetch a better package if the Blazers aren't just looking to dump. If they are, this fits into their plans.

 

[Kings113]

I'd be alright with that, but would rather have a guy like Elson.

 

[master]

Two trades I'd like:

TRADE 1

Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
9.1 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 2.0 apg in 28.0 minutes
Jason Hart
6-3 PG from Syracuse
3.3 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 1.1 apg in 12.3 minutes
Incoming
Scott Padgett
6-9 PF from Kentucky
3.4 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.7 apg in 11.6 minutes
Earl Watson
6-1 PG from UCLA
8.9 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 4.1 apg in 22.6 minutes
Change in team outlook: -0.1 ppg, -3.6 rpg, and +1.7 apg.


New Jersey Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Jeff McInnis
6-4 PG from North Carolina
5.3 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 17.4 minutes
Bostjan Nachbar
6-9 SF from Slovenia (Foreign)
4.4 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 0.8 apg in 14.1 minutes
Scott Padgett
6-9 PF from Kentucky
3.4 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.7 apg in 11.6 minutes
Incoming
Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
9.1 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 2.0 apg in 28.0 minutes
Jason Hart
6-3 PG from Syracuse
3.3 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 1.1 apg in 12.3 minutes
Change in team outlook: -0.7 ppg, +2.4 rpg, and -0.3 apg.


Seattle Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Earl Watson
6-1 PG from UCLA
8.9 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 4.1 apg in 22.6 minutes
Incoming
Jeff McInnis
6-4 PG from North Carolina
5.3 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 17.4 minutes
Bostjan Nachbar
6-9 SF from Slovenia (Foreign)
4.4 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 0.8 apg in 14.1 minutes
Change in team outlook: +0.8 ppg, +1.2 rpg, and -1.4 apg.


TRADE 2

Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Corliss Williamson
Vitaly Potapenko
Incoming
Theo Ratliff

With this trades we get a back up center who can block shots and a decent backup pg. Both are overpaid, but Ratliff only has two years left on his contract, and I think he could be a decent piece for future moves (f.e. Ratliff+pick for Chandler? xD), and the price is low: Corliss and Vitaly don't solve any of our problems.
Watson is ok, and if we get other pg on the free agency (I like Marcus Banks) I think there would be teams interested with salary cap (Hawks, Raptors...), we could trade him for a (not high) pick.
In this trades we also get Padgett, a decent shooter for the 11th-12th spot

I repeat I think Mario Kasun for the LLE would be a very good move. I saw this guy on the European and he impressed me.