OFFICIAL trade thread. Post trade proposals HERE! (merged)

[ovrush]

I gotta say that with SAR on board, a Peja for Artest trade looks a whole lot more enticing than it has for a while, though with all the nice things coming out of Indiana about Artest lately it sounds like he may not be on the market.
Plus, It just had been too too long since someone through out the popular and ever present Peja for Artest trade. But it would give us two guys who could play tough on the perimieter, making a defensive stopped on the interior just a little less important.

 

[Kings113]

The Spurs, if you are referencing a Corliss for Rasho swap, would benefit as well. Right now they have Rasho, Oberto and Horry as big men depth, but don't really have anyone to backup Bowen (which I think they would have used SAR as). Thus, both teams would benefit in balancing out their bench depth.

I think they'll bring back Glenn Robinson based on his production since he got acquired. They mainly want scoring off the bench.

I don't think Artest is on the block or on the move much at all anymore.

Especially after Artest and Carlisle were on QF. I want to see the Pacers do well too.

 

[ParniValjak]

That move was anticipated I think. thing is that we get Rasho for even cheaper in a lot of ways -- straight swap of salaries involving a superflorous player. Would actually clean our roste up a bit. And Kandiman, while I don't like him, is an ending contract, so that could be attractive too.

Brick if you had a choice of those 3 (Booth, Rasho and Kandi) who would you take?????? Taking into account their contract situations and who would you trade for them??????

 

[Kings113]

Booth was waived earlier this week. Around $12 million and two years left.

Booth stats (career): 4.1 ppg, 1.20 bpg, 3.3 rpg, 14.3 mpg

Surprised at his minutes, didn't think they were that low. But must be because of injuries and not starting a whole lot. Highest number of games played was 71 in 03-04 w/ Seattle, definitely his best season too. Second highest GP was 55, rest are all below that. Seems decent when he's not injured... I highly doubt the Kings would pick him up.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/calvin_booth/index.html

I'd take Olowokandi, despite his attitude problems, I'd hope he could tone it down is all. One year left on his contract, $5,949,570.

Kandi's stats (career):

9.0 ppg, 1.50 bpg, .7 apg, 7.4 RPG, 28.0 MPG.

Last season wasn't too good, but obviously a few things got in the way. Same before that.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/michael_olowokandi/index.html

Rasho I don't know if we could get him, and has the longest contract of the three.

 

[Bricklayer]

Brick if you had a choice of those 3 (Booth, Rasho and Kandi) who would you take?????? Taking into account their contract situations and who would you trade for them??????

Well...I really want no part of Kandi EXCEPT that he has an ending deal. But I think that might be more appealing to the Maloofs than to me. Otherwise I kind of consider him a B.S. basketball player. Dumb, never does the right thing, and had a perfect opportunity to help a contender in Minnesota and instead looked like a joke.

Booth...not sure he's the same guy he was 5 years ago, and he wasn't much then. I would be, or have been, comfortable with him in the Jamal Sampson role as deep bench reserve big, although adding another soft player at that talen level seems gratuitous even by Kings standards. But as a primary backup to Brad? That makes me nervous. More at the level a true backup would be for many teams, but certainly no significant help and nto much of a fill in when Brad goes down.

Which leaves Rasho. But really now, if he was the guy we'd suddenly have one of the best backup centers in the league. Be ironic that even our shotblocker would be soft in that case, but if you can get him and only have to give up Corliss I think that's too good a deal to pass. You've taken on no salary, won't even feel the effects of the trade financially for two more years, and Rasho really should be a more valuable trading piece going for us into the future. Furthermore, he's legit enough that it gives you the option to eeither back Brad's minutes down into the early 30's so that he doesn't fall apart on us again come March (been three years ina row now -- a definite trend), or to even put Rasho at C and Brad at PF for stretches to try to at least combat our interior defense problmes with raw size against big frontlines.

 

[Kings113]

Which leaves Rasho. But really now, if he was the guy we'd suddenly have one of the best backup centers in the league. Be ironic that even our shotblocker would be soft in that case, but if you can get him and only have to give up Corliss I think that's too good a deal to pass. You've taken on no salary, won't even feel the effects of the trade financially for two more years, and Rasho really should be a more valuable trading piece going for us into the future. Furthermore, he's legit enough that it gives you the option to eeither back Brad's minutes down into the early 30's so that he doesn't fall apart on us again come March (been three years ina row now -- a definite trend), or to even put Rasho at C and Brad at PF for stretches to try to at least combat our interior defense problmes with raw size against big frontlines.

I like the sound of that.

Yeah, Brad hasn't had a good back-up since he got here (including his days as PF, Darius was decent, but a rookie). Was only around for Skinner like one or two games, then came back when both were hurt.

 

[ParniValjak]

Well...I really want no part of Kandi EXCEPT that he has an ending deal. But I think that might be more appealing to the Maloofs than to me. Otherwise I kind of consider him a B.S. basketball player. Dumb, never does the right thing, and had a perfect opportunity to help a contender in Minnesota and instead looked like a joke.

Booth...not sure he's the same guy he was 5 years ago, and he wasn't much then. I would be, or have been, comfortable with him in the Jamal Sampson role as deep bench reserve big, although adding another soft player at that talen level seems gratuitous even by Kings standards. But as a primary backup to Brad? That makes me nervous. More at the level a true backup would be for many teams, but certainly no significant help and nto much of a fill in when Brad goes down.

Which leaves Rasho. But really now, if he was the guy we'd suddenly have one of the best backup centers in the league. Be ironic that even our shotblocker would be soft in that case, but if you can get him and only have to give up Corliss I think that's too good a deal to pass. You've taken on no salary, won't even feel the effects of the trade financially for two more years, and Rasho really should be a more valuable trading piece going for us into the future. Furthermore, he's legit enough that it gives you the option to eeither back Brad's minutes down into the early 30's so that he doesn't fall apart on us again come March (been three years ina row now -- a definite trend), or to even put Rasho at C and Brad at PF for stretches to try to at least combat our interior defense problmes with raw size against big frontlines.

So in other words you would go with Rasho

Would you entertain the idea of Thomas for Rasho and use Rasho as the first big off the bench where he backs up Brad (with SAR) and SAR (with Brad)?????

 

[kingsofnba]

Reasonable Trade Proposals

here are a few trade proposal that are reasonable for all parties involved....

Kenny Thomas to Nets for Jason Collins... after giving up SAR the nets are still looking for a starting PF... thomas is a proven double-double guy in the eastern conference... the kings gets a big body and shotblocker to backup Miller and allows Skinner to backup PF...

Kenny Thomas and resigned Songaila to Wiz for Etan Thomas and Jarvis Hayes... the wiz need front court help and had an big interest on songaila... the wiz get two frontcourt guys for one (Etan).... the wiz are overloaded in the backcourt with the butler and daniels acquisiton... the kings needs the defensive toughness of etan thomas and need a swingman to backup SF/SG incase Martin and Garcia are not ready to play....

Corliss Williamson for Rasho Nesterovic(Spurs) or Mark Blount(Celts)....
the purpose of the move for the spurs or celts is to rid themselves of the big, long contracts of their backup bigman for a shorter contract (corliss)... the kings gets a big wide body and can block some shots and rebound... may be too long of contracts for the kings taste though...

Corliss Williamson to Pacers for Scot Pollard ... the pacers would get a very servicable backup at SF/PF since artest is unpredicatble and dale davis is likely leaving via FA... this would reunite corliss with his coach, rick carlisle, whom coached him the year he was 6th man of the year award... the kings get pollard, a serviceable backup to miller... he gives the kings rebounding and hustle and an ending contract... skinner can backup PF and thomas backs up SF...

 

[SLAB]

here are a few trade proposal that are reasonable for all parties involved....

Kenny Thomas to Nets for Jason Collins... after giving up SAR the nets are still looking for a starting PF... thomas is a proven double-double guy in the eastern conference... the kings gets a big body and shotblocker to backup Miller and allows Skinner to backup PF...

Kenny Thomas and resigned Songaila to Wiz for Etan Thomas and Jarvis Hayes... the wiz need front court help and had an big interest on songaila... the wiz get two frontcourt guys for one (Etan).... the wiz are overloaded in the backcourt with the butler and daniels acquisiton... the kings needs the defensive toughness of etan thomas and need a swingman to backup SF/SG incase Martin and Garcia are not ready to play....

Corliss Williamson for Rasho Nesterovic(Spurs) or Mark Blount(Celts)....
the purpose of the move for the spurs or celts is to rid themselves of the big, long contracts of their backup bigman for a shorter contract (corliss)... the kings gets a big wide body and can block some shots and rebound... may be too long of contracts for the kings taste though...

Corliss Williamson to Pacers for Scot Pollard ... the pacers would get a very servicable backup at SF/PF since artest is unpredicatble and dale davis is likely leaving via FA... this would reunite corliss with his coach, rick carlisle, whom coached him the year he was 6th man of the year award... the kings get pollard, a serviceable backup to miller... he gives the kings rebounding and hustle and an ending contract... skinner can backup PF and thomas backs up SF...

Trade 1: I'd do it...I really dont know to much about Collins game, but we do rid ourselves of K-9's contract, and get a servicable backup for Miller...Also this gives room for Songaila to be our backup PF.

Trade 2: In a heartbeat...But thats the bias talking, Im quite possibly the biggest Etan Thomas fan on this board...I love everything about him, from the game, to the intensity, to the hustle, to the hair...That guy is awesome.

Trade 3: I wouldnt do it...Servicable big men are attractive, but the contracts scare me away.

Trade 4: I do it...I dont think Corliss fits what we try to do in our system. He's to one-on-one...Pollard not only brings rebounding/defense, but we get an old fan favorite back in Sac-town.

 

[ParniValjak]

here are a few trade proposal that are reasonable for all parties involved....

Kenny Thomas to Nets for Jason Collins... after giving up SAR the nets are still looking for a starting PF... thomas is a proven double-double guy in the eastern conference... the kings gets a big body and shotblocker to backup Miller and allows Skinner to backup PF...

Kenny Thomas and resigned Songaila to Wiz for Etan Thomas and Jarvis Hayes... the wiz need front court help and had an big interest on songaila... the wiz get two frontcourt guys for one (Etan).... the wiz are overloaded in the backcourt with the butler and daniels acquisiton... the kings needs the defensive toughness of etan thomas and need a swingman to backup SF/SG incase Martin and Garcia are not ready to play....

Corliss Williamson for Rasho Nesterovic(Spurs) or Mark Blount(Celts)....
the purpose of the move for the spurs or celts is to rid themselves of the big, long contracts of their backup bigman for a shorter contract (corliss)... the kings gets a big wide body and can block some shots and rebound... may be too long of contracts for the kings taste though...

Corliss Williamson to Pacers for Scot Pollard ... the pacers would get a very servicable backup at SF/PF since artest is unpredicatble and dale davis is likely leaving via FA... this would reunite corliss with his coach, rick carlisle, whom coached him the year he was 6th man of the year award... the kings get pollard, a serviceable backup to miller... he gives the kings rebounding and hustle and an ending contract... skinner can backup PF and thomas backs up SF...

Trade 1: We get RAPED . JC is NOT a shotblocker at all. He is big but he ain't someone that we really need.

Trade 2: Where do I sign?????? Wizards don't do it.

Trade 3: Reasonable and could happen

Trade 4: Pollard is not what he was but I could see the positives in making this move. Pollard is an expiring contract and could help us in limited minutes off the bench. I wouldn't mind this one that much mainly because we get an expiring contract. I'd do it but Pacers are already stacked at SF and adding Corliss would be strange move.

As another short term solution what do people thin of us getting Dale Davis??????

 

[captain bill]

What happened to that role player we were supposed to get when we signed SAR?

I like doing Corliss/Rasho and then Thomas/Songaila for Thomas/Hayes. Second one is highly unlikely unless the Wiz REALLY love Songaila, but who knows. We are clogged at SG in that situation and thin at SF, but we can make it work, maybe.

PG:Bibby/Hart/Price
SG:Wells/Hayes/Martin/Garcia
SFeja(Garcia/Martin?)
PF:SAR/E.Thomas
C:Miller/Skinner/Sampson

Hayes/Thomas/Hart could all be phenomenal off the bench. That team is deep and deadly. I like it.

 

[hrdboild]

What happened to that role player we were supposed to get when we signed SAR?

Well it's probably a mimimum contract seeing as SAR will be getting most, if not all, of the MLE. Maybe an announcement in the next few days.

 

[King4Life]

I'd be cool with trading Kenny Thomas for PJ Brown. Granted PJ Brown is older, but he brings defensive toughness and rebounding ability. He's gonna make $16 million over the two years where as KT is gonna make above $35 million over the next 5 years. I remember in the Houston-Dallas playoff series, Dikembe would come off the bench and dominate. Granted PJ isn't Dikembe, but he would give us some of what are missing (rebounding and defense). PJ Brown has only missed 12 games in the last 5 years. He could set good screens for our shooters, Bibby and Peja.

 

[Kings113]

What happened to that role player we were supposed to get when we signed SAR?

I like doing Corliss/Rasho and then Thomas/Songaila for Thomas/Hayes. Second one is highly unlikely unless the Wiz REALLY love Songaila, but who knows. We are clogged at SG in that situation and thin at SF, but we can make it work, maybe.

PG:Bibby/Hart/Price
SG:Wells/Hayes/Martin/Garcia
SFeja(Garcia/Martin?)
PF:SAR/E.Thomas
C:Miller/Skinner/Sampson

Hayes/Thomas/Hart could all be phenomenal off the bench. That team is deep and deadly. I like it.

Yeah, I feel if we do a deal with the Wiz involving Songaila, it's not gonna be a one for one. What about Jared Jefferies like you or Brick mentioned before to go along with Etan, Jared's an SF. I'd take Jarvis Hayes with Etan too though. Seems like a good player as well.

I think we'll have an SF behind Peja regardless, not one of the youngsters though.

http://www.hoopshype.com/players/jarvis_hayes.htm

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jarvis_hayes/index.html

On the PJ Brown talk, I agree. He'd be a very nice addition.

 

[ONEZERO]

With a little more time, petrie will clean up all of our mess.

 

[captain bill]

Kenny Thomas and a future pick for Desmond Mason. After getting Simmons, it would be a waste for the Bucks to leave all that salary on the bench. Thomas will be an upgrade at PF over Joe Smith (who?), so this should theoretically be a no-brainer for the Bucks. Trade a bench player who won't get enough minutes to warrant his salary for a starter who will. We get a backup SF who can play D and score. Maybe follow up with Corliss for Rasho, or something along those lines to aquire a backup PF

 

[Bricklayer]

Kenny Thomas and a future pick for Desmond Mason. After getting Simmons, it would be a waste for the Bucks to leave all that salary on the bench. Thomas will be an upgrade at PF over Joe Smith (who?), so this should theoretically be a no-brainer for the Bucks. Trade a bench player who won't get enough minutes to warrant his salary for a starter who will. We get a backup SF who can play D and score. Maybe follow up with Corliss for Rasho, or something along those lines to aquire a backup PF

Maybe not so much however with that contract. Smith and KT are on a similar level. Think they wanted a true upgrade there, not a more or less lateral move. And not one costing them thier 6th man.

 

[hearns]

TRADE 1

Kings: K Thomas for MLE and (conditional) 1st pick from Seattle
Nets: J Collins and R Mercer for K Thomas
Sonics: MLE and a (conditional) 1st pick for J Collins and R Mercer

Nets get a decent pf for their situation.
Sonics get a center and a sg for the bench
Kings don't need K Thomas right now, with B Skinner as our #2 pf. I think is more useful a MLE. With Corliss we could get a center (rasho, m blount, pollard), so with this trade there's no a new hole on the team.

TRADE 2

Wizards: S Blake for D Songaila
Jazz: M Harpring for Kevin Martin and S Blake
Kings: D Songaila and K Martin for M Harpring

I like Songaila and Martin, but right now Harpring is (much) more neccessary.
Garcia and Harpring coming off the bench would be great

 

[Kings113]

TRADE 1

Kings: K Thomas for MLE and (conditional) 1st pick from Seattle
Nets: J Collins and R Mercer for K Thomas
Sonics: MLE and a (conditional) 1st pick for J Collins and R Mercer

Nets get a decent pf for their situation.
Sonics get a center and a sg for the bench
Kings don't need K Thomas right now, with B Skinner as our #2 pf. I think is more useful a MLE. With Corliss we could get a center (rasho, m blount, pollard), so with this trade there's no a new hole on the team.

TRADE 2

Wizards: S Blake for D Songaila
Jazz: M Harpring for Kevin Martin and S Blake
Kings: D Songaila and K Martin for M Harpring

I like Songaila and Martin, but right now Harpring is (much) more neccessary.
Garcia and Harpring coming off the bench would be great

I really like both of those a lot. They seem realistic.

On Martin, I'd definitely rather see a more experienced swingman backing up Bonzi. But if we end up with Martin as that, I'd be fine. But moreso my point, if, god forbid something happens to Bonzi due to injury, I don't know about K-Mart as our starting SG (unless he impresses a lot in pre-season/early on, then that'd be good).

So in that, either get one during the season, or get one before.

 

[VF21]

At this point, I really don't want to see either Kevin or Cisco traded away. We have to have some good youth potential on the team. Look at what the Spurs have done. They've assembled a group that is now THE team to be both now and in the foreseeable future because they kept their youth. They didn't keep trading them away for journeymen.

Players have to gain experience somehow. I think both Kevin and Cisco have the potential to become very important pieces in the big puzzle of the Kings future.

 

[Squad907]

KT to Toronto for Eric and Aaron Williams. We get a 3rd PF who is defensive minded and tough to play behind SAR and Skinner, and also a defensive minded SF that could be great off the bench in spurts. Both have also been in the playoffs.
I think we address some toughness and rebounding that we would need come playoff time. Aaron Williams is in the last year of his contract, but I am unclear about Eric's because there is none stated at www.hoopshype.com/salaries for him. With the loss of Marshall, Toronto might take it.

 

[funkykingston]

You can't trade for another team's MLE. It is an exception granted to each team that is potentially over the cap. Those teams either use it or lose it, it can't be dealt.


Also, why would the Sonics want Thomas, not to mention give up a first rounder to get him and his contract? They have Collison as a nice piece for the future and can re-sign Evans and/or Fortson if they wish. He really doesn't fit any role for them.

As for the other trade, I like Harpring and I would really like him as a backup to Peja, but I agree with VF21 about not trading Martin or Garcia. Especially since Matt Barnes can do almost the same job as Harpring at a discount price and allow the team to keep its young SGs.

 

[captain bill]

At this point, I really don't want to see either Kevin or Cisco traded away. We have to have some good youth potential on the team. Look at what the Spurs have done. They've assembled a group that is now THE team to be both now and in the foreseeable future because they kept their youth. They didn't keep trading them away for journeymen.

Players have to gain experience somehow. I think both Kevin and Cisco have the potential to become very important pieces in the big puzzle of the Kings future.

I agree. I'd actually really like us to hold on to Mo Evans more than trading to aquire someone else, but that looks rather unlikely. We've had a lot of guys walk away with loads of talent in FA, and quite frankly I don't think we should be in any hurry to trade them away, too.

 

[Kings113]

At this point, I really don't want to see either Kevin or Cisco traded away. We have to have some good youth potential on the team. Look at what the Spurs have done. They've assembled a group that is now THE team to be both now and in the foreseeable future because they kept their youth. They didn't keep trading them away for journeymen.

Players have to gain experience somehow. I think both Kevin and Cisco have the potential to become very important pieces in the big puzzle of the Kings future.

I also hope we don't trade Cisco away, which I don't even think is a possibility. I loved what I saw from Garcia in college, and definitely didn't think we'd get him or he'd even go that low. Martin though, I think could be involved in a trade. Ultimately I don't think it will happen though.

I agree. I'd actually really like us to hold on to Mo Evans more than trading to aquire someone else, but that looks rather unlikely. We've had a lot of guys walk away with loads of talent in FA, and quite frankly I don't think we should be in any hurry to trade them away, too.

I'd love that too, on Mo. I was quite disappointed when I heard he wanted part of the MLE and a multi-year deal.

 

[Kings113]

You can't trade for another team's MLE. It is an exception granted to each team that is potentially over the cap. Those teams either use it or lose it, it can't be dealt.


Also, why would the Sonics want Thomas, not to mention give up a first rounder to get him and his contract? They have Collison as a nice piece for the future and can re-sign Evans and/or Fortson if they wish. He really doesn't fit any role for them.

As for the other trade, I like Harpring and I would really like him as a backup to Peja, but I agree with VF21 about not trading Martin or Garcia. Especially since Matt Barnes can do almost the same job as Harpring at a discount price and allow the team to keep its young SGs.

Fortson is under contract. Evans is an RFA.

 

[VF21]

Not assuming you were responding to me, but that's not what I was saying on that at all, just to add. I also hope we don't trade Cisco away, which I don't even think is a possibility. I loved what I saw from Garcia in college, and definitely didn't think we'd get him or he'd even go that low.

My comment was made because some people seem hell-bent on adding Kevin Martin into some trade deal that won't really make us that much better. Just because Cisco is better known and went to a bigger school, that doesn't mean he's some super-stud compared to Martin. I know the organization is really high on developing Kevin's potential and I just get kind of tired of so many people acting like he's nothing more than chump change.

 

[Kings113]

I edited my post, I realized you were responding to the trade proposals.

I don't think he's chump change either. Martin's proved he's athletic, can defend some, and is a really good scorer. Not a bad rebounder already either, a handful of times last year I remember him getting 5-6 boards, and then his stuff in the VSL. What he really needs to do though, is put on more muscle/bulk, I read he put on 8-9 lbs before the VSL started. But that obviously isn't much or enough. He said he will be, as did Garcia.

 

[Netguy115]

You can't trade for another team's MLE. It is an exception granted to each team that is potentially over the cap. Those teams either use it or lose it, it can't be dealt.

Uh, yes you can.

http://www.nba.com/transactions/current_month_transactions.html

ctrl+f then type "exception"

 

[VF21]

Uh, yes you can.

http://www.nba.com/transactions/current_month_transactions.html

ctrl+f then type "exception"

I tried it - and nothing happened. If you found something, why not just copy and paste it?

 

[VF21]

In the meantime, I'll refer people AGAIN to the best source around for details about the CBA.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm

This FAQ is prepared by Larry Coon and is just about the definitive source for all things CBA related.