OFFICIAL trade thread. Post trade proposals HERE! (merged)

[thesanityannex]

Yes, I agree. For us to sign a player ranked 53 in the NBA for the MLE is a good move.

look at his salary rank! it unbelievable.

 

[captain bill]

Um, Malik Rose, Jerome Williams, Maurice Taylor, Tim Thomas, Jacki Butler???


Are those not PFs?

No. They all suck. I meant a PF that can actually play.

 

[thesanityannex]

the sanity, where are the MPG? If KT's stats reflect less minutes than SAR, then your point is....pointless? 8E

pffft.......both at 31 minutes last five years. point noted.

 

[ParniValjak]

Sacramento send Kenny Thomas to New York, New York sends Jamal Crawford to Utah, Sacramento recieves Matt Harpring and Chris Humphries from the Jazz. Jazz get a pure SG, unload Crawford. NY has no PF (I refuse to believe that even Isaih thinks Jerome Williams is a good starter) and has a glut at SG anyway. Sacramento gets a good 6th man in Harpring and a decent big man in Humphries. This assumes SAR signs for MLE.

PG:Bibby/Hart/Price
SG:Wells/Martin/Garcia
SFeja/Harpring
PF:SAR/Corliss/Sampson
C:Miller/Skinner/Humphries

Our bench is now loaded with solid defenders and rebounders. Harpring could be huge off the bench. If Hart, Garcia, Martin, Corliss and Skinner can play well, this team could turn into a nightmare. Our starting 5 are relatively weak defensively, but at least we can rebound. Plenty of energy off the bench. This team could easily beat the likes of the Suns or Mavs, maybe Houston too. WCF against the Spurs?

I like it

 

[ForlornKing]

No. They all suck. I meant a PF that can actually play.

Tim Thomas averages 12.4 points a game, and 4.2 boards. Yes KT is an upgrade for NY but they not for Jamaal Crawford. Jamaal Crawford averaged 17 ppg, 4 assists, and 3 boards.

NY still Passes.

 

[captain bill]

Tim Thomas averages 12.4 points a game, and 4.2 boards. Yes KT is an upgrade for NY but they not for Jamaal Crawford. Jamaal Crawford averaged 17 ppg, 4 assists, and 3 boards.

NY still Passes.

So, why did New York aquire Richardson then? To sit on the bench behind Houston and Crawford? And if Marbury gets moved over to SG, where LB has said in the past. That gives them 3 shooting gaurds better than Crawford. Three! And don't kid yourself about Tim Thomas. He averages 12/4/1 for his career. The Knicks have championship aspirations. That kind of player starting at PF is not the path to winning a ring. Seriously, you think a guy that averages four boards should be a starting PF? That is a joke. And he's 28 and already in decline. Look at his numbers. He's only getting worse. This is a great deal for all teams involved.

 

[ForlornKing]

So, why did New York aquire Richardson then? To sit on the bench behind Houston and Crawford? And if Marbury gets moved over to SG, where LB has said in the past. That gives them 3 shooting gaurds better than Crawford. Three! And don't kid yourself about Tim Thomas. He averages 12/4/1 for his career. The Knicks have championship aspirations. That kind of player starting at PF is not the path to winning a ring. Seriously, you think a guy that averages four boards should be a starting PF? That is a joke. And he's 28 and already in decline. Look at his numbers. He's only getting worse. This is a great deal for all teams involved.

I just don't see how Kenny Thomas would help a team with 3 young PFs with lots of potential in Sweetney, Lee, and Fyre, especially with Malik Rose, Taylor, Jerome Williams all being PFs.

 

[captain bill]

Lee and Fyre are both rookies and need some time to come along. Channing Fyre also is a center, another position where they have approximately zero starters. Sweetney is good, but not ready to start. And they should want to win with Brown now, before he scampers off somewhere. Waiting on 3 young guys to fill 2 positions is a bad idea. Thomas can at the very least give them some talent now while unloading excess players that they absolutely cannot use. And combining all the useless garbage they have at the PF/C position together, they still probably couldn't put together a decent amount of minutes with real talent on the court. They have 4 guards with the talent to start NOW. They have zero legit starters at the other 3 positions. If you were GM, would you honestly turn something like this down? And risk starting 3 unproven players on a team that is expected to be contending, today? If you say yes, I suspect you would find yourself out of a job rather quickly.

 

[Kings113]

Jerome James will be the Knicks starting center.

 

[captain bill]

Jerome James will be the Knicks starting center.

Notice how I said legit starters with talent. The only problem here is that Isaih might think that James actually has some skill. And won't foul out before the end of the first. The Knicks need a C and PF badly. I don't care what Isaih says, if you can't see that you are blind.

 

[ForlornKing]

Maybe but you would be turned down rather quickly.

 

[Kings113]

Notice how I said legit starters with talent. The only problem here is that Isaih might think that James actually has some skill. And won't foul out before the end of the first. The Knicks need a C and PF badly. I don't care what Isaih says, if you can't see that you are blind.

Yeah, James definitely is crap. The Kings series was a fluke obviously. But the Knicks are paying him 29/30 million for 5 years, and is the tallest guy they have (Sundov isn't near starting yet, and is an FA). That means he's gonna start unless Frye goes off in pre-season...

 

[SacTownKid]

I was checking the trade board on realgm one day and a Wiz fan proposed this deal.

Wiz trade:

Etan Thomas

Kings trade:

Kenny Thomas

Not too bad, Etans a shotblocking big guy, much like Skinner, can play PF or C. Contract is just as bad as Kenny's but he could certainly help our interior defense.

 

[Kings113]

Hell yeah, I'd do that in a flash.

Though Wizards really want Songaila (as do Seattle, get Evans for him). Which I'd also do quickly.

 

[captain bill]

I was checking the trade board on realgm one day and a Wiz fan proposed this deal.

Wiz trade:

Etan Thomas

Kings trade:

Kenny Thomas

Not too bad, Etans a shotblocking big guy, much like Skinner, can play PF or C. Contract is just as bad as Kenny's but he could certainly help our interior defense.

S&T Songaila and Thomas for Thomas and Jared Jeffries, Etan Thomas and a pick. They like Songaila, we can bleed them for more. I don't know, I'd like to get more, but I'd be happy adding Thomas and Jeffries. Gives us:
Bibby/Hart/Price
Wells/Martin/Garcia
Peja/Jeffries/Corliss
Shareef/E. Thomas
Miller/Skinner/Sampson

 

[Kings113]

Do it, Geoff.

 

[ForlornKing]

S&T Songaila and Thomas for Thomas and Jared Jeffries, Etan Thomas and a pick. They like Songaila, we can bleed them for more. I don't know, I'd like to get more, but I'd be happy adding Thomas and Jeffries. Gives us:
Bibby/Hart/Price
Wells/Martin/Garcia
Peja/Jeffries/Corliss
Shareef/E. Thomas
Miller/Skinner/Sampson

I think this one works better.

 

[kingsofnba]

Scott Pollard

S&T Songaila and Thomas for Thomas and Jared Jeffries, Etan Thomas and a pick. They like Songaila, we can bleed them for more. I don't know, I'd like to get more, but I'd be happy adding Thomas and Jeffries. Gives us:
Bibby/Hart/Price
Wells/Martin/Garcia
Peja/Jeffries/Corliss
Shareef/E. Thomas
Miller/Skinner/Sampson

interesting trade idea with wiz...

someone that might also work well as a bruiser backup is Scot Pollard for Thomas or Corliss... the pacers will lose dale davis in FA and they barely use scot pollard... so if the kings can send one of the larger contracts (thomas or Corliss) to the pacers for pollard (ending contract), then the kings will really get some salary cap relief from the webb trade... the pacers would get a good backup for the PF/SF spot, especially with the loose cannon artest at SF... pollard can still bang and hustles, just what the doctor ordered...

PF SAR / Skinner
SF Peja / Thomas/Corliss(whoever is not traded)
C Miller/ Pollard / Sampson
SG Wells/ Martin/ Garcia
PG Bibby/ Hart/ Price

 

[ONEZERO]

S&T Songaila and Thomas for Thomas and Jared Jeffries, Etan Thomas and a pick. They like Songaila, we can bleed them for more. I don't know, I'd like to get more, but I'd be happy adding Thomas and Jeffries. Gives us:
Bibby/Hart/Price
Wells/Martin/Garcia
Peja/Jeffries/Corliss
Shareef/E. Thomas
Miller/Skinner/Sampson

Now that I like.... Pretty much straight D all over the bench. I've repeatidly said that I don't want SAR(not cause he sucks, but I don't want any more undersized PF), but under these circumstances and with a bench like that I would do this trade in a heartbeat.

 

[captain bill]

interesting trade idea with wiz...

someone that might also work well as a bruiser backup is Scot Pollard for Thomas or Corliss... the pacers will lose dale davis in FA and they barely use scot pollard... so if the kings can send one of the larger contracts (thomas or Corliss) to the pacers for pollard (ending contract), then the kings will really get some salary cap relief from the webb trade... the pacers would get a good backup for the PF/SF spot, especially with the loose cannon artest at SF... pollard can still bang and hustles, just what the doctor ordered...

PF SAR / Skinner
SF Peja / Thomas/Corliss(whoever is not traded)
C Miller/ Pollard / Sampson
SG Wells/ Martin/ Garcia
PG Bibby/ Hart/ Price

No. What the doctor ordered was that Pollard is hurt beyond repair. Don't need the injured leftovers from other teams.

 

[captain bill]

Now that I like.... Pretty much straight D all over the bench. I've repeatidly said that I don't want SAR(not cause he sucks, but I don't want any more undersized PF), but under these circumstances and with a bench like that I would do this trade in a heartbeat.

I've been saying this for a while- we are going to have an offensive starting 5. And I'm okay with that. We should load our bench with D, and that can actually make us a good defensive team. That's what we did in 03, and on saavy move can put as right back there now. We already have a great offensive team, and a move like the one I said can make us a damn good defensive one, too. Sweet music to my ears...contenders again.

 

[Kings113]

I've been saying this for a while- we are going to have an offensive starting 5. And I'm okay with that. We should load our bench with D, and that can actually make us a good defensive team. That's what we did in 03, and on saavy move can put as right back there now. We already have a great offensive team, and a move like the one I said can make us a damn good defensive one, too. Sweet music to my ears...contenders again.

Once again, I echo this w/ the high possibility of getting SAR.

 

[captain bill]

interesting trade idea with wiz...

someone that might also work well as a bruiser backup is Scot Pollard for Thomas or Corliss... the pacers will lose dale davis in FA and they barely use scot pollard... so if the kings can send one of the larger contracts (thomas or Corliss) to the pacers for pollard (ending contract), then the kings will really get some salary cap relief from the webb trade... the pacers would get a good backup for the PF/SF spot, especially with the loose cannon artest at SF... pollard can still bang and hustles, just what the doctor ordered...

PF SAR / Skinner
SF Peja / Thomas/Corliss(whoever is not traded)
C Miller/ Pollard / Sampson
SG Wells/ Martin/ Garcia
PG Bibby/ Hart/ Price

okay, just changed my mind a bit. Corliss for Pollard, straight up. Maybe Indy would rather go with Corliss, safer and less liable to be injured, we can take a risk on a defensive old favorite. Salaries match up. We might have to send a pick, but then I don't think it's worth it. Other bonus is Pollard is entering his final year, Corliss will have one more left. But then Indy might just not bite. Also we need more backup SF, and already have 3 centers and 2 PFs. Could it be the kings have too many big men?


EDIT: I've been browsing around realgm and hoopshype, and have come to the conclusion that it is absolutely impossible to move Corliss. Overpaid and not much to offer. The only way to match up his salary is to either find a player much better than him, a bunch of decent players or a vastly overpaid one. Not that this wasn't obvious before, but this is definetly the worst of the Webber contracts. And we have him another year after this one. Amensty, anyone?

 

[Squad907]

So, why did New York aquire Richardson then? To sit on the bench behind Houston and Crawford? And if Marbury gets moved over to SG, where LB has said in the past. That gives them 3 shooting gaurds better than Crawford. Three! And don't kid yourself about Tim Thomas. He averages 12/4/1 for his career. The Knicks have championship aspirations. That kind of player starting at PF is not the path to winning a ring. Seriously, you think a guy that averages four boards should be a starting PF? That is a joke. And he's 28 and already in decline. Look at his numbers. He's only getting worse. This is a great deal for all teams involved.

Exactly, why have all that talent on the bench if they weren't at least thinking trading one of the SGs? I think if were in a three way with Utah, NY would be our best shot. 3 moves by GP and we could be a real solid squad, and these are quite doable moves:
1) Sign SAR
2) KT to NY, Harpring and Humphries to Sac, and Crawford to UT.
3) Sign-n-trade Songila for E.Thomas
We be get a defensive minded bench and we don't even have to lose any core players.

 

[ForlornKing]

Exactly, why have all that talent on the bench if they weren't at least thinking trading one of the SGs? I think if were in a three way with Utah, NY would be our best shot. 3 moves by GP and we could be a real solid squad, and these are quite doable moves:
1) Sign SAR
2) KT to NY, Harpring and Humphries to Sac, and Crawford to UT.
3) Sign-n-trade Songila for E.Thomas
We be get a defensive minded bench and we don't even have to lose any core players.

Well I don't know. The other trade had KT and Songalia for E. Thomas, I don't know if straight-up Songila for E.Thomas would work.

 

[captain bill]

Well I don't know. The other trade had KT and Songalia for E. Thomas, I don't know if straight-up Songila for E.Thomas would work.

Maybe it would, maybe not. ET ain't the best player out there, and Washington is high on Songaila.

In other news, I find it heartily amusing that you gauge the probability of a trade occuring based on the sentiments of the fans of other teams.

 

[Kings113]

Exactly, why have all that talent on the bench if they weren't at least thinking trading one of the SGs? I think if were in a three way with Utah, NY would be our best shot. 3 moves by GP and we could be a real solid squad, and these are quite doable moves:
1) Sign SAR
2) KT to NY, Harpring and Humphries to Sac, and Crawford to UT.
3) Sign-n-trade Songila for E.Thomas
We be get a defensive minded bench and we don't even have to lose any core players.

weeeeee

 

[ForlornKing]

Maybe it would, maybe not. ET ain't the best player out there, and Washington is high on Songaila.

In other news, I find it heartily amusing that you gauge the probability of a trade occuring based on the sentiments of the fans of other teams.

No, I just look at it from the others team prosepective.That's like saying oh how about Kenny Thomas For Kevin Garnett. Thomas puts up okay numbers and Garnett wants a new team. Yea It Should Work!!!!

 

[captain bill]

Exactly, why have all that talent on the bench if they weren't at least thinking trading one of the SGs? I think if were in a three way with Utah, NY would be our best shot. 3 moves by GP and we could be a real solid squad, and these are quite doable moves:
1) Sign SAR
2) KT to NY, Harpring and Humphries to Sac, and Crawford to UT.
3) Sign-n-trade Songila for E.Thomas
We be get a defensive minded bench and we don't even have to lose any core players.

my ideas are gaining traction...this makes me happy

 

[Bricklayer]

Harpring would be good. Chandler would be good. Etan Thomas would be good. The question is, how do we realistically get them?