SacTownKid
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Čarolija said:Kenny Thomas and Corliss Williamson for Carlos Boozer.
Is there any chance Utah would go for this?
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captain bill
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In light of Utah shopping them:
Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
11.3 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.6 apg in 28.6 minutes
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Incoming
Matt Harpring
6-7 SF from Georgia Tech
14.0 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 1.8 apg in 33.1 minutes
Carlos Boozer
6-9 PF from Duke
17.8 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 2.8 apg in 34.8 minutes
Change in team outlook: +0.4 ppg, +4.4 rpg, and +0.9 apg.
Utah Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Matt Harpring
6-7 SF from Georgia Tech
14.0 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 1.8 apg in 33.1 minutes
Carlos Boozer
6-9 PF from Duke
17.8 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 2.8 apg in 34.8 minutes
Incoming
Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
11.3 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.6 apg in 28.6 minutes
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Change in team outlook: -0.4 ppg, -4.4 rpg, and -0.9 apg.
Maybe some picks involved, which way they go depends on how the GMs feel. Utah is unhappy with Boozer, gets a decent PF in return. Trading Harpring for Peja is a huge upgrade to boot. We get a good PF, great rebounder, and a great rebounding SF who can play defense and also score. Maybe not score like Peja, but score enough to keep this offense clicking. C'mon, Petrie...this one is actually possible.
Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
11.3 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.6 apg in 28.6 minutes
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Incoming
Matt Harpring
6-7 SF from Georgia Tech
14.0 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 1.8 apg in 33.1 minutes
Carlos Boozer
6-9 PF from Duke
17.8 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 2.8 apg in 34.8 minutes
Change in team outlook: +0.4 ppg, +4.4 rpg, and +0.9 apg.
Utah Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Matt Harpring
6-7 SF from Georgia Tech
14.0 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 1.8 apg in 33.1 minutes
Carlos Boozer
6-9 PF from Duke
17.8 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 2.8 apg in 34.8 minutes
Incoming
Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
11.3 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.6 apg in 28.6 minutes
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Change in team outlook: -0.4 ppg, -4.4 rpg, and -0.9 apg.
Maybe some picks involved, which way they go depends on how the GMs feel. Utah is unhappy with Boozer, gets a decent PF in return. Trading Harpring for Peja is a huge upgrade to boot. We get a good PF, great rebounder, and a great rebounding SF who can play defense and also score. Maybe not score like Peja, but score enough to keep this offense clicking. C'mon, Petrie...this one is actually possible.
ParniValjak
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Why would Utah want Peja when they have Kirilenko?????? They are redundant.
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AriesMar27
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ONEZERO said:
that or go after radmonovic....
captain bill
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Čarolija said:
Peja could be played at SG, or this could be a 3 team deal. Guess I didn't think this one through enough, saw 'forward' under Harpring's name and didn't think about the rest of it.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
BigWaxer said:
Why is it that everytime a proposal is made to acquire even two players from another team we somehow become the "fill in team's name".
There ARE no "Sacramento" Kings. We've got exactly two players on the roster who were here two years ago. Two. EVERYBODY here is a transplant.
Bricklayer
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captain bill said:
No, that's been the problem with trading with Utah for a while. I had hoped that maybe we could swing Cat over to them, as 100% anti-Sloan a Cat might be. But now their area of biggest need are the same as ours had been -- OG, and if they choose to move Boozer, PF (although I'm not entirely sure they may not be thinking of Memo as the PF and looking for a center). In fact to whatever degree Harpring is on the block, the rumor has been its because he and Andrei don't "fit" together because he's more SF than OG, and Andrei is a natural SF, not PF. Peja would create the same problem. So in order to get one of those guys, and certainly both of them, we might very well have to involve a third team.
I still prefer my Peja/Brad/Kenny/Martin + pick + get back KG and Harping trade.
BigWaxer
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Bricklayer said:
First explain how this trade helps us compaired to what we would lose?
Then explain when I ever... since the time I have been here compared us to another team for trade suggestions. The answer to that is NEVER. Thank you. Now if your upset about other people doing it all the time I understand, since I never have then...
Bottom line is IMO its not a good trade for us.
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thesanityannex
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BigWaxer said:
right hereBigWaxer said:
captain bill
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Bricklayer said:No, that's been the problem with trading with Utah for a while. I had hoped that maybe we could swing Cat over to them, as 100% anti-Sloan a Cat might be. But now their area of biggest need are the same as ours had been -- OG, and if they choose to move Boozer, PF (although I'm not entirely sure they may not be thinking of Memo as the PF and looking for a center). In fact to whatever degree Harpring is on the block, the rumor has been its because he and Andrei don't "fit" together because he's more SF than OG, and Andrei is a natural SF, not PF. Peja would create the same problem. So in order to get one of those guys, and certainly both of them, we might very well have to involve a third team.
I still prefer my Peja/Brad/Kenny/Martin + pick + get back KG and Harping trade.
as much as i don't want this to be true, i know you're right. it would just be a huge coup if we could pull something like what i proposed off. maybe a three team trade, shipping off kt, peja, get utah a sg from somewhere else, get us harpring/boozer, give someone else some picks. im sure it wouldnt happen though. too much work, and someone would have to give up a good sg and not get too much in return.
Squad907
Prospect
captain bill said:
How bout we throw in New York as the third team? They have pleanty of capable starters at the 2 spot, Crawford, Richardson and now Marbury as Brown has been predicted to do.
Peja to NY
Thomas to Utah
Boozer to Sac
Harpring to Sac
Crawford to Utah
Works under realgm 2533540. Who knows, with the way Isaah Thomas deals, nothing is too farfetched.
Bricklayer
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Squad907 said:
That's actually far for the most outlandish suggested trade we've come up with this offseason. Everybody gets what they want (although if NY is getting Peja fro Crawford, I want some throw ins). One proviso though: Jerry Sloan would probably dismember Jamaal Crawford by the end of the first day of training camp. I mean that in the literal sense. Maybe start with his right arm as a way of convincing him not to shoot so much, and then maybe one of his legs when he tried to run, and then go from there.
nbrans
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Squad907 said:
I think the Kings are the loser in this trade. I don't see Boozer as being that much of an upgrade over Kenny Thomas. They're about the same size, they're about the same level of defender. Boozer has a better post game and he's younger, so I give him the edge, but Thomas is more athletic and can stretch the defense, so the difference is not huge. Boozer has potential to get better, but he also has some limitations with his size and athletic ability. Meanwhile, Boozer is making $11 million a year, making Kenny Thomas look like a bargain.
Meanwhile, you're losing your #1 scorer for someone who is a good defender but can't possibly hope to replace Peja's offensive load. So the Kings get a defensive upgrade at the 3, which isn't even going to help all that much since the Western Conference does not have very many scoring small forwards. Meanwhile you get zero defensive upgrade on the 4, and you've just given away your best scorer and someone who demands constant attention and opens up the entire floor with his outside shooting.
No thanks.
Mad D
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''After Carlos Boozer was ripped by critics towards the end of last season, he is reportedly taking care of business this summer. Sloan says that Boozer's offseason workouts have his body fat down to a little below six percent. To put that in perspective, Sloan says that at his best, Karl Malone was at four percent body fat.''
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/3872346
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/3872346
captain bill
All-Star
Squad907 said:
I like that a lot. And it does work well- NY has a hole at SF that Peja fills nicely, Utah gets a nice return for Harpring in a true SG and unloads Boozer and gains a nice replacement, Sacramento aquires a legit PF (reportedly in very good shape) and an athletic, rebounding, defending SF. All three teams come away a whole lot better. Now let's start sending this to all the GMs and hope it catches on. Isaih seems like the softest target...who knows his personal email?
I would love to see a deal of Songaila or two-player (not love to see Songaila go, but the deal itself and what it'd do for us) traded for R. Evans or E. Thomas, and either comes off the bench for us. While having a solid insurance if we do get SAR and he gets hurt (I don't think his knee is a big concern).
Seattle/Washington have both made it known they have high interest in Songaila.
Seattle/Washington have both made it known they have high interest in Songaila.
captain bill
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Sacramento send Kenny Thomas to New York, New York sends Jamal Crawford to Utah, Sacramento recieves Matt Harpring and Chris Humphries from the Jazz. Jazz get a pure SG, unload Crawford. NY has no PF (I refuse to believe that even Isaih thinks Jerome Williams is a good starter) and has a glut at SG anyway. Sacramento gets a good 6th man in Harpring and a decent big man in Humphries. This assumes SAR signs for MLE.
PG:Bibby/Hart/Price
SG:Wells/Martin/Garcia
SF
eja/Harpring
PF:SAR/Corliss/Sampson
C:Miller/Skinner/Humphries
Our bench is now loaded with solid defenders and rebounders. Harpring could be huge off the bench. If Hart, Garcia, Martin, Corliss and Skinner can play well, this team could turn into a nightmare. Our starting 5 are relatively weak defensively, but at least we can rebound. Plenty of energy off the bench. This team could easily beat the likes of the Suns or Mavs, maybe Houston too. WCF against the Spurs?
PG:Bibby/Hart/Price
SG:Wells/Martin/Garcia
SF
eja/HarpringPF:SAR/Corliss/Sampson
C:Miller/Skinner/Humphries
Our bench is now loaded with solid defenders and rebounders. Harpring could be huge off the bench. If Hart, Garcia, Martin, Corliss and Skinner can play well, this team could turn into a nightmare. Our starting 5 are relatively weak defensively, but at least we can rebound. Plenty of energy off the bench. This team could easily beat the likes of the Suns or Mavs, maybe Houston too. WCF against the Spurs?
BobbyJ_for3!
Bench
^^^^^ very intriging(sp)
i dunno tho...im still not high on SAR
i dunno tho...im still not high on SAR
I was pretty impressed with Humphries in the SL, and from a few games I saw of him last year. I'd love to see him in a Kings uni as a #1 or 2 PF/C off the bench, he's a great prospect.
Harpring here, would be just terrific. Like people have said 6MOTYC.
Agreed on that kind of set-up again, Bill.
Harpring here, would be just terrific. Like people have said 6MOTYC.
Agreed on that kind of set-up again, Bill.
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thesanityannex
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Me Likey.captain bill said:Sacramento send Kenny Thomas to New York, New York sends Jamal Crawford to Utah, Sacramento recieves Matt Harpring and Chris Humphries from the Jazz. Jazz get a pure SG, unload Crawford. NY has no PF (I refuse to believe that even Isaih thinks Jerome Williams is a good starter) and has a glut at SG anyway. Sacramento gets a good 6th man in Harpring and a decent big man in Humphries. This assumes SAR signs for MLE.
PG:Bibby/Hart/Price
SG:Wells/Martin/Garcia
SF
PF:SAR/Corliss/Sampson
C:Miller/Skinner/Humphries
Our bench is now loaded with solid defenders and rebounders. Harpring could be huge off the bench. If Hart, Garcia, Martin, Corliss and Skinner can play well, this team could turn into a nightmare. Our starting 5 are relatively weak defensively, but at least we can rebound. Plenty of energy off the bench. This team could easily beat the likes of the Suns or Mavs, maybe Houston too. WCF against the Spurs?
ForlornKing
Starter
captain bill said:Sacramento send Kenny Thomas to New York, New York sends Jamal Crawford to Utah, Sacramento recieves Matt Harpring and Chris Humphries from the Jazz. Jazz get a pure SG, unload Crawford. NY has no PF (I refuse to believe that even Isaih thinks Jerome Williams is a good starter) and has a glut at SG anyway. Sacramento gets a good 6th man in Harpring and a decent big man in Humphries. This assumes SAR signs for MLE.
PG:Bibby/Hart/Price
SG:Wells/Martin/Garcia
SF
PF:SAR/Corliss/Sampson
C:Miller/Skinner/Humphries
Our bench is now loaded with solid defenders and rebounders. Harpring could be huge off the bench. If Hart, Garcia, Martin, Corliss and Skinner can play well, this team could turn into a nightmare. Our starting 5 are relatively weak defensively, but at least we can rebound. Plenty of energy off the bench. This team could easily beat the likes of the Suns or Mavs, maybe Houston too. WCF against the Spurs?
The Knicks do not need another undersized PF. NY passes.
captain bill
All-Star
BobbyJ_for3! said:
So...you'd rather stick with the less talented and over-paid Thomas than trade him to get some talent that we can actually use? Besides, I get the feeling Thomas would love New York. And New York loves bloated contracts. It's a match made in heaven. Plus there is no way either SAR or Thomas on the bench would do as any better than Harpring. They both have the same weaknesses in defense and toughness, the exact traits that Harpring makes up for. Apparently, you don't like SAR, I'm assuming because he's soft, so you would rather start a softie (in Thomas) and back him up with a (better) softie in SAR than start the more talented player and aquire a backup who can rebound and play defense. I understand you not liking SAR, but how does not trading Thomas make any sense?
captain bill
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ForlornKing said:
New York does not have a PF to speak of. Isaih Thomas sees nice numbers and is happy. NY does not need 7 SGs. Geoff whispers sweet nothings in Isaih's ear, and he agrees.
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thesanityannex
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here it is again for you bobbyj3BobbyJ_for3! said:
Lets look at them side by side.
SAR >>>>>>>>>>>>>>K.Thomas
In league since '96 >>> In league since '99
19.8 ppg >>> 10.9 ppg
8.1 rpg >>> 7.4 rpg
2.7 apg >>> 1.6 apg
SAR Salary Rank:419 >>> K.Thomas Salary Rank:86
SAR NBA Rank:53 >>> K.Thomas NBA Rank:155
(salary ranks are how many people are paid more than them)
he is CLEARLY BETTER than K.Thomas
ForlornKing
Starter
captain bill said:
Um, Malik Rose, Jerome Williams, Maurice Taylor, Tim Thomas, Jacki Butler???
Are those not PFs?
ForlornKing
Starter
thesanityannex said:
Yes, I agree. For us to sign a player ranked 53 in the NBA for the MLE is a good move.
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