OFFICIAL trade thread. Post trade proposals HERE! (merged)

If he was cut and the team could pick him up cheap, it would be a good pick-up. He's not a bad player, just a really bad contract.
 
Čarolija said:
Rumours are that Celtics will cut Raef LaFrentz. Am I the only one that can see us picking him up if he gets cut?????? :(
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Not at all -- I almost posted something about that yesterday. And it really wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. (Yes, we've reached that point.) But Raef has some skill for a big guy, and enough versatility to play 4 or 5. At 4, he's got excellent size. And of course he's a shotblocker, albeit not NEARLY as prolific after the knee injury, so will have to see whether that comes back or not. Wouldn't make us any tougher, but would make us bigger, longer, give us a little shotblocking, and a little scoring punch from the front line as well. Another one of those guys who I wouldn't want to see be THE move made to shore up the frontline, but who I wouldn't mind at all being A move made so long as we picked up a physical force or two as well.
 
Also, if reports from San Antonio are accurate, Rasho is IMMINENTLY available. They apparently tried to dump him to the Mavs in exchange for Tariq Abdul Wahad, who has basically been too injured to play for years now. And the thing is that Tariq still has TWO years left on his contract, while Rasho has four. Even mroe interestingly, Dallas actually turned them down?

Anyway, if that is actually true then I don't see why an offer of Corliss -- who also has two years left on a similar sized contract, might not be enough. I'm not in love with Rasho or his contract, but if you can do Corliss for Rasho I think you just do it and call Rasho your backup center. Then go looking for a bigger PF as well.
 
Bricklayer said:
Also, if reports from San Antonio are accurate, Rasho is IMMINENTLY available. They apparently tried to dump him to the Mavs in exchange for Tariq Abdul Wahad, who has basically been too injured to play for years now. And the thing is that Tariq still has TWO years left on his contract, while Rasho has four. Even mroe interestingly, Dallas actually turned them down?

Anyway, if that is actually true then I don't see why an offer of Corliss -- who also has two years left on a similar sized contract, might not be enough. I'm not in love with Rasho or his contract, but if you can do Corliss for Rasho I think you just do it and call Rasho your backup center. Then go looking for a bigger PF as well.
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I am definitely not a Rasho fan, but that might be one scenario I would accept.
 
Bricklayer said:
Also, if reports from San Antonio are accurate, Rasho is IMMINENTLY available. They apparently tried to dump him to the Mavs in exchange for Tariq Abdul Wahad, who has basically been too injured to play for years now. And the thing is that Tariq still has TWO years left on his contract, while Rasho has four. Even mroe interestingly, Dallas actually turned them down?

Anyway, if that is actually true then I don't see why an offer of Corliss -- who also has two years left on a similar sized contract, might not be enough. I'm not in love with Rasho or his contract, but if you can do Corliss for Rasho I think you just do it and call Rasho your backup center. Then go looking for a bigger PF as well.
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That's an interesting call. Rasho looked pretty good when he was with Minnesota in his contract year. At the same time, he looked pretty bad with the Spurs, and four years is a long time.

My own opinion is let's let Corliss' deal expire in two years and get some of that vaunted "flexibility" back from the Webber trade rather than sinking money into someone who's increasingly looking like a stiff. But that's a very tempting proposition.
 
Bricklayer said:
Also, if reports from San Antonio are accurate, Rasho is IMMINENTLY available. They apparently tried to dump him to the Mavs in exchange for Tariq Abdul Wahad, who has basically been too injured to play for years now. And the thing is that Tariq still has TWO years left on his contract, while Rasho has four. Even mroe interestingly, Dallas actually turned them down?

Anyway, if that is actually true then I don't see why an offer of Corliss -- who also has two years left on a similar sized contract, might not be enough. I'm not in love with Rasho or his contract, but if you can do Corliss for Rasho I think you just do it and call Rasho your backup center. Then go looking for a bigger PF as well.
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Dallas have been targeting Hunter for the last week.
 
Sounds about right for what's left in free agency and trade, and also with what we've been hearing from the Kings org. Corliss for Rasho, then sign Raef with MLE (and have some sort of team option so we don't get screwed if he goes down again). Sign Barnes for vet min...

New frontcourt:

Miller/Rasho/Skinner
LaFrentz/Thomas/Skinner
Peja/Wells/Thomas/Barnes

Not bad, really. Slow and white to a large degree (all we need is Tag back, and we've become Utah). But shotblockers are there around Miller. And still enough shooters to please the masses.

With the backcourt looking like this:

Wells/Martin/Garcia
Bibby/Hart/Price

You've got a Kings team that's actually quite deep and versitile. No superstar, but it doesn't sound like we're going to get one. The summer could end worse, IMO.
 
You're making a big - and I fear possibly erroneous - assumption in putting Thomas on the bench. Start Raef, who's receiving the MLE, and bring Thomas off the bench? I so do not see that sitting well with Kenny Thomas. You think he was perturbed about coming in behind Darius? He'll go ape-dooty berzerk if he has to play behind Raef Lafrentz.
 
Sure, we can say "suck it up and play" ... but does that mean Thomas will do it? I think it's a valid concern.

;)

(Want me to resurrect my infamous rant? - :D )
 
VF21 said:
You're making a big - and I fear possibly erroneous - assumption in putting Thomas on the bench. Start Raef, who's receiving the MLE, and bring Thomas off the bench? I so do not see that sitting well with Kenny Thomas. You think he was perturbed about coming in behind Darius? He'll go ape-dooty berzerk if he has to play behind Raef Lafrentz.
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Which is why, along with his contract, I don't see him around next year.
 
kenny thomas does not belong in any title contenders starting lineup. neither does raef. i say start rasho and miller together.
 
tyrant said:
kenny thomas does not belong in any title contenders starting lineup. neither does raef. i say start rasho and miller together.
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Did I miss something? Is Rasho a done deal?

You might want to wait until the pens have been picked up before you assign him a starting slot.

;)
 
Bricklayer said:
Also, if reports from San Antonio are accurate, Rasho is IMMINENTLY available. They apparently tried to dump him to the Mavs in exchange for Tariq Abdul Wahad, who has basically been too injured to play for years now. And the thing is that Tariq still has TWO years left on his contract, while Rasho has four. Even mroe interestingly, Dallas actually turned them down?

Anyway, if that is actually true then I don't see why an offer of Corliss -- who also has two years left on a similar sized contract, might not be enough. I'm not in love with Rasho or his contract, but if you can do Corliss for Rasho I think you just do it and call Rasho your backup center. Then go looking for a bigger PF as well.
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Doesn't surprise me at all. Cuban has deep pockets, but paying nearly 20 million in salaries for non-all star caliber centers is rediculous.

And do to the length and money still due on Rasho's contract it wouldn't be prudent to have him as a backup. He is getting starter money, and far too much for 10-15 minutes a game.
 
SacTownKid said:
Doesn't surprise me at all. Cuban has deep pockets, but paying nearly 20 million in salaries for non-all star caliber centers is rediculous.

And do to the length and money still due on Rasho's contract it wouldn't be prudent to have him as a backup. He is getting starter money, and far too much for 10-15 minutes a game.
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The thing is, if we even had this lineup mind you, that with Miller and Raef you KNOW one of them is going to go down and miss 10 games or so. So might as well have a good backup to come in and start.

That said, for all my musings here, Raef in all likelihood won't get waived, and who knows about Rasho. All speculation here is, well, speculation.
 
Bricklayer said:
Not at all -- I almost posted something about that yesterday. And it really wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. (Yes, we've reached that point.) But Raef has some skill for a big guy, and enough versatility to play 4 or 5. At 4, he's got excellent size. And of course he's a shotblocker, albeit not NEARLY as prolific after the knee injury, so will have to see whether that comes back or not. Wouldn't make us any tougher, but would make us bigger, longer, give us a little shotblocking, and a little scoring punch from the front line as well. Another one of those guys who I wouldn't want to see be THE move made to shore up the frontline, but who I wouldn't mind at all being A move made so long as we picked up a physical force or two as well.
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I do agree that he would be a good pick up if he is A move rather than THE move. However, I just don't like him in the starting 5. I wouldn't mind him as the first big man off the bench playing his 20-25 minutes at both PF and C. He would give us a bit of a scoring punch off the bench and some much needed shot-blocking but he is just not a starter on a quality team.
 
Okay while its getting late in the summer for this sort of thing, nut I was doodling, and just for funsies -- the Scrubalicious Bench and Supersized Six Deep Superstars Consolidation of Talent With A Side Order of More Bad Deals Than You Can Shake A Stick At scenario (based on a number of speculative assumptions): :p

(also known as the "Who The Hell Are These Guys?" scenario)

Move 1: Boston
Reasoning?: cap flexibility, shooting which they lack, and ability to go a different way next summer for them

Boston trades:
SF - Paul Pierce: $13.8mil, 3yrs remaining (yr 3 = player option)
PF/C - Raef LaFrentz: $10.0mil 4yrs remaining (yr 3 = player option)

Sacto trades:
SF - Peja Stojakovic: $7.6mil, 1yr remaining (basically, yr 2 = player opton + he WILL opt out)
PF/C - Brian Skinner: $5.0mil, 2yrs remaining (+ 3rd yr team option)
PF - Kenny Thomas: $6.1mil, 5yrs remaining

Move 2: Minnesota/Utah
Variation: same as last time I proposed it, but with Bibby instead of Peja, and with the Cassel/Kandiman ending contracts headed to Utah along with Martin and a pick. Also Trenton Hassel is thrown in to us.
Reasoning: Minn gets a new core, and a good playoff level team right out of the bag (Bibby, Wally, Boozer, Miller). Utah gets a salary dump with young players and picks, and sets them up for having a ton of money to spend in free agency next summer.

Sacto gets back:
PF/SF - Kevin Garnett: $18.0mil, 4yrs remaining
OG/SF - Trenton Hassel $4.0mil, 5yrs remaining

Minnesota gets back:
PG - Mike Bibby: $11.5mil, 4yrs remaining
C - Brad Miller: $8.8mil, 5yrs remaining
PF - Carlos Boozer: $11.6mil, 5yrs remaining (5th yr is player option)

Utah gets back:
PG - Sam Cassel: $6.1mil, 1yr remaining
C - Michael Olowakandi: $6.0mil, 1 yr remaining
OG - Kevin Martin: $0.9mil, 2yrs remaining (+ 3rd yr team option)
1st rnd pick

Move 3: San Antonio
Reasoning?: if they apparently offered Rasho for Abdul-Wahad and his two year contract, then Corliss and his similar contract seem pretty much the same thing.

San Antonio trades:
C - Rasho Nesterovic: $6.7mil, 4yr remaining

Sacto trades:
SF/PF - Corliss Williamson: $6.0mil, 2yr remaining

Move 4: Free Agency
Offer the full MLE to Earl Watson. Tell him its his team. Call it a 5 yr deal.

END RESULT :D :

C - Nesterovic, Age: 29
PF - Garnett, Age: 29
SF - Pierce, Age: 27
OG - Wells, Age: 28
PG - Watson, Age: 26

PF/C - LaFrentz, Age: 29
SF/OG - Hassel, Age: 26
PG - Hart, Age: 27
OG - Cisco, Age: 23

Upside: Obvious. We are right in the mix.
Downside: Every single member of the Top 7 except Bonzi has a big long term deal. No flexibility at all. The centers are also soft, so Garnett has to carry the load.. Need one more big, but money dictates the rest of the roster be filled out by minimum wagers.
 
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Bricklayer said:
Okay while its getting late in the summer for this sort of thing, nut I was doodling, and just for funsies -- the Scrubalicious Bench and Supersized Six Deep Superstars Consolidation of Talent With A Side Order of More Bad Deals Than You Can Shake A Stick At scenario (based on a number of speculative assumptions): :p

(also known as the "Who The Hell Are These Guys?" scenario)

Move 1: Boston
Reasoning?: cap flexibility, shooting which they lack, and ability to go a different way next summer for them

Boston trades:
SF - Paul Pierce: $13.8mil, 3yrs remaining (yr 3 = player option)
PF/C - Raef LaFrentz: $10.0mil 4yrs remaining (yr 3 = player option)

Sacto trades:
SF - Peja Stojakovic: $7.6mil, 1yr remaining (basically, yr 2 = player opton + he WILL opt out)
PF/C - Brian Skinner: $5.0mil, 2yrs remaining (+ 3rd yr team option)
PF - Kenny Thomas: $6.1mil, 5yrs remaining

Move 2: Minnesota/Utah
Variation: same as last time I proposed it, but with Bibby instead of Peja, and with the Cassel/Kandiman ending contracts headed to Utah along with Martin and a pick. Also Trenton Hassel is thrown in to us.
Reasoning: Minn gets a new core, and a good playoff level team right out of the bag (Bibby, Wally, Boozer, Miller). Utah gets a salary dump with young players and picks, and sets them up for having a ton of money to spend in free agency next summer.

Sacto gets back:
PF/SF - Kevin Garnett: $18.0mil, 4yrs remaining
OG/SF - Trenton Hassel $4.0mil, 5yrs remaining

Minnesota gets back:
PG - Mike Bibby: $11.5mil, 4yrs remaining
C - Brad Miller: $8.8mil, 5yrs remaining
PF - Carlos Boozer: $11.6mil, 5yrs remaining (5th yr is player option)

Utah gets back:
PG - Sam Cassel: $6.1mil, 1yr remaining
C - Michael Olowakandi: $6.0mil, 1 yr remaining
OG - Kevin Martin: $0.9mil, 2yrs remaining (+ 3rd yr team option)
1st rnd pick

Move 3: San Antonio
Reasoning?: if they apparently offered Rasho for Abdul-Wahad and his two year contract, then Corliss and his similar contract seem pretty much the same thing.

San Antonio trades:
C - Rasho Nesterovic: $6.7mil, 4yr remaining

Sacto trades:
SF/PF - Corliss Williamson: $6.0mil, 2yr remaining

Move 4: Free Agency
Offer the full MLE to Earl Watson. Tell him its his team. Call it a 5 yr deal.

END RESULT :D :

C - Nesterovic, Age: 29
PF - Garnett, Age: 29
SF - Pierce, Age: 27
OG - Wells, Age: 28
PG - Watson, Age: 26

PF/C - LaFrentz, Age: 29
SF/OG - Hassel, Age: 26
PG - Hart, Age: 27
OG - Cisco, Age: 23

Upside: Obvious. We are right in the mix.
Downside: Every single member of the Top 7 except Bonzi has a big long term deal. No flexibility at all. The centers are also soft, so Garnett has to carry the load.. Need one more big, but money dictates the rest of the roster be filled out by minimum wagers.
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You've done well, kemosabe. You've done very well.
 
From an out-of-towner's perspective it would be interesting to gauge my own attraction. The Kings style was infectious enough to cause addiction, but this new lineup would offer a whole different kind of game - albeit competitive.

It'd be a true test as to which was more important - winning percentage or entertainment value. Personally, I was sucked into the entertainment value and rooted for the Kings style over the Lakers success earlier this century.

I'm hoping the pick-ups that are upcoming will allow for some King's flavor to remain.
 
Jamaal Magloire

rumor has it that Magloire wants out of New Orleans... the hornets can not get anybody to sign with them, so they need bodies to fill roles... maybe the kings can send Kenny Thomas, Corliss and Skinner to N.O. for Magloire and PJ Brown... and the kings can throw in a 1st rounder to sweeten the deal... this would help N.O. by giving them a younger PF (Thomas) and Corliss and Skinner can possibly start for them.... the kings can use Maglorie at Center or PF and move Brad to the other spot:

Kings Get:
Jamaal Magloire
PJ Brown

Hornets Get:
Kenny Thomas
Brian Skinner
Corliss Williamson
1st round pick

PF Miller/ PJ Brown
SF Peja / FA (Christie?)
C Magloire / FA (Declercq?)
SG Wells/ MArtin/ GArcia
PG Bibby/ Hart/ Price
 
Well, we might as well. We said goodbye to everyone else, I guess Brad, Peja and Mike can all go, too. Cisco and KG, the new vanguards of the Kings. Although Wells and Pierce are good, I somehow feel skeptical about them delivering us a championship and stepping up against San Antonio and Detroit. That team would be no doubt great, but I think it really is missing one last piece to go over the top.

But what am I saying, these are the Kings. We'll overachieve and beat the snot out of everyone.


sigh...if only
 
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kingsofnba said:
rumor has it that Magloire wants out of New Orleans... the hornets can not get anybody to sign with them, so they need bodies to fill roles... maybe the kings can send Kenny Thomas, Corliss and Skinner to N.O. for Magloire and PJ Brown... and the kings can throw in a 1st rounder to sweeten the deal... this would help N.O. by giving them a younger PF (Thomas) and Corliss and Skinner can possibly start for them.... the kings can use Maglorie at Center or PF and move Brad to the other spot:

Kings Get:
Jamaal Magloire
PJ Brown

Hornets Get:
Kenny Thomas
Brian Skinner
Corliss Williamson
1st round pick

PF Miller/ PJ Brown
SF Peja / FA (Christie?)
C Magloire / FA (Declercq?)
SG Wells/ MArtin/ GArcia
PG Bibby/ Hart/ Price
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that would be a very good team, if the Hornets bit. But I think they can get better for Magloire.

Then again, he may be just what Petrie was talking about.
 
Bricklayer said:
Okay while its getting late in the summer for this sort of thing, nut I was doodling, and just for funsies -- the Scrubalicious Bench and Supersized Six Deep Superstars Consolidation of Talent With A Side Order of More Bad Deals Than You Can Shake A Stick At scenario (based on a number of speculative assumptions): :p

(also known as the "Who The Hell Are These Guys?" scenario)

Move 1: Boston
Reasoning?: cap flexibility, shooting which they lack, and ability to go a different way next summer for them

Boston trades:
SF - Paul Pierce: $13.8mil, 3yrs remaining (yr 3 = player option)
PF/C - Raef LaFrentz: $10.0mil 4yrs remaining (yr 3 = player option)

Sacto trades:
SF - Peja Stojakovic: $7.6mil, 1yr remaining (basically, yr 2 = player opton + he WILL opt out)
PF/C - Brian Skinner: $5.0mil, 2yrs remaining (+ 3rd yr team option)
PF - Kenny Thomas: $6.1mil, 5yrs remaining

Move 2: Minnesota/Utah
Variation: same as last time I proposed it, but with Bibby instead of Peja, and with the Cassel/Kandiman ending contracts headed to Utah along with Martin and a pick. Also Trenton Hassel is thrown in to us.
Reasoning: Minn gets a new core, and a good playoff level team right out of the bag (Bibby, Wally, Boozer, Miller). Utah gets a salary dump with young players and picks, and sets them up for having a ton of money to spend in free agency next summer.

Sacto gets back:
PF/SF - Kevin Garnett: $18.0mil, 4yrs remaining
OG/SF - Trenton Hassel $4.0mil, 5yrs remaining

Minnesota gets back:
PG - Mike Bibby: $11.5mil, 4yrs remaining
C - Brad Miller: $8.8mil, 5yrs remaining
PF - Carlos Boozer: $11.6mil, 5yrs remaining (5th yr is player option)

Utah gets back:
PG - Sam Cassel: $6.1mil, 1yr remaining
C - Michael Olowakandi: $6.0mil, 1 yr remaining
OG - Kevin Martin: $0.9mil, 2yrs remaining (+ 3rd yr team option)
1st rnd pick

Move 3: San Antonio
Reasoning?: if they apparently offered Rasho for Abdul-Wahad and his two year contract, then Corliss and his similar contract seem pretty much the same thing.

San Antonio trades:
C - Rasho Nesterovic: $6.7mil, 4yr remaining

Sacto trades:
SF/PF - Corliss Williamson: $6.0mil, 2yr remaining

Move 4: Free Agency
Offer the full MLE to Earl Watson. Tell him its his team. Call it a 5 yr deal.

END RESULT :D :

C - Nesterovic, Age: 29
PF - Garnett, Age: 29
SF - Pierce, Age: 27
OG - Wells, Age: 28
PG - Watson, Age: 26

PF/C - LaFrentz, Age: 29
SF/OG - Hassel, Age: 26
PG - Hart, Age: 27
OG - Cisco, Age: 23

Upside: Obvious. We are right in the mix.
Downside: Every single member of the Top 7 except Bonzi has a big long term deal. No flexibility at all. The centers are also soft, so Garnett has to carry the load.. Need one more big, but money dictates the rest of the roster be filled out by minimum wagers.
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If you dont like that... You dont like Off Season Basketball... Ohh Boyyyyyy!
 
How about Peja to Cleveland for Drew Gooden and Martynas Andriuskevicius (7'3"). Works on Realgm. Gives Cleveland and lineup of ;
PG - Hughes, Snow
SG - Lebron, Newblie, Jackson
SF - Peja,
PF - Donyel Marshall
C - Ilgauskas

And leaves us with the following (before any other moves..like Bibby to Boston for Pierce, etc....but that's another scenario);

PG - ______(Watson?), Hart, Price
SG - Bonzi, Martin, Garcia
SF - Thomas, Corlis (yes, I still like the idea of trying him here)
PF - Gooden, Skinner
C - Miller, Andre_____
 
Rowdyone said:
How about Peja to Cleveland for Drew Gooden and Martynas Andriuskevicius (7'3"). Works on Realgm. Gives Cleveland and lineup of ;
PG - Hughes, Snow
SG - Lebron, Newblie, Jackson
SF - Peja,
PF - Donyel Marshall
C - Ilgauskas

And leaves us with the following (before any other moves..like Bibby to Boston for Pierce, etc....but that's another scenario);

PG - ______(Watson?), Hart, Price
SG - Bonzi, Martin, Garcia
SF - Thomas, Corlis (yes, I still like the idea of trying him here)
PF - Gooden, Skinner
C - Miller, Andre_____
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Thats interesting...
 
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