OFFICIAL trade thread. Post trade proposals HERE! (merged)
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Nothing horrible -- just one of those guys who seems frequently unhappy with his role/minutes and will get grumpy about it. Grumbler in his previous stops, and its unclear how much its because he thinks he's better than he is, and how much because he is always trying to prove something regarding his size.
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Ok, just for fun here's a "blow it all up and start over" scenario:
(1) Kings deal Brad Miller and Brian Skinner to the Knicks for Tim Thomas and the #8 pick giving the Knicks the size they need. (If Isiah balks at dealing his starting small forward, the deal can be redone for Penny Hardaway)
(2) Kings deal Bibby to New Orleans for PJ Brown, George Lynch and the #4 pick, giving the Hornets a better PG than they could get in the draft, with enough years left in him to still be in his prime in a couple years when New Orleans hopes to be competitive.
(3) Kings deal Peja Stojakovic and a future 1st rounder to Toronto for Lamond Murray, Rafael Araujo and the #7 & #16 picks, giving the Raptors an outside threat to pair with Bosh and some box office draw, especially with the large Serbian population.
(4) Kings deal Kenny Thomas to the Nets for Cliff Robinson, giving the Nets a decent starting PF, especially in the East. Maybe another future first has to be thrown in to make them bite, I don't know.
The Kings now have FIVE 1st round picks in this year's draft, one more than the 90 draft which we will not dare speak of here. Anyway . . .
(5) Kings draft Gerald Green (5th), Danny Granger (7th), Raymond Felton (8th), Andrew Bynum (16th) and Ronny Turiaf (23rd)
The depth chart now looks like this going into next season:
C Ostertag, Bynum, Araujo
PF Brown, Turiaf, Robinson
SF Thomas, Granger, Williamson, Lynch
SG Martin,Green, Murray
PG Jackson, Felton
If desired, Evans and/or Songaila could be resigned.
This lineup would be good for 12-20 wins but would provide plenty of minutes for the young players to develop. Better yet, Tag, Robinson, Thomas, Lynch, Murray and Jackson are FAs after next season giving the team a payroll of $28 million or so (about $31-32 mil if Evans is resigned) which would give them enough room under the cap to offer the max to one player or sign two good free agents. Not to mention the lottery pick they would be sure to have next season.
Corliss, PJ Brown and Araujo would be free agents after the next season, cutting payroll by almost $15 million and possibly allowing the team to be active in free agency again, or perhaps to save money for extending young players.
I seriously doubt that Petrie has any plans for ANY major trades, let alone a barrage of them. Still, wasting time on this fantasy (when I should be working on another project) made me realize one thing. I just don't have any faith that Peja, Brad and Mike can be the heart of a lineup with real aspirations of competing for a title.
Looking at the roster I just dreamed up I could easily see such a team being an absolute failure. Green could never develop his potential. Felton could continue his shaky shooting and get pushed around by bigger PGs. Granger could be a decent player who does nothing well, Turiaf could be a minor role player and Bynum could be a huge bust a la Diop. Free agents could avoid the Kings if they don't see the chance to win. All of that could be true. But as a fan, at least this type of movement would give me hope for the future.
Petrie won't blow up the team, and he certainly won't stockpile draft picks for this year. But he needs to do something . . .
(1) Kings deal Brad Miller and Brian Skinner to the Knicks for Tim Thomas and the #8 pick giving the Knicks the size they need. (If Isiah balks at dealing his starting small forward, the deal can be redone for Penny Hardaway)
(2) Kings deal Bibby to New Orleans for PJ Brown, George Lynch and the #4 pick, giving the Hornets a better PG than they could get in the draft, with enough years left in him to still be in his prime in a couple years when New Orleans hopes to be competitive.
(3) Kings deal Peja Stojakovic and a future 1st rounder to Toronto for Lamond Murray, Rafael Araujo and the #7 & #16 picks, giving the Raptors an outside threat to pair with Bosh and some box office draw, especially with the large Serbian population.
(4) Kings deal Kenny Thomas to the Nets for Cliff Robinson, giving the Nets a decent starting PF, especially in the East. Maybe another future first has to be thrown in to make them bite, I don't know.
The Kings now have FIVE 1st round picks in this year's draft, one more than the 90 draft which we will not dare speak of here. Anyway . . .
(5) Kings draft Gerald Green (5th), Danny Granger (7th), Raymond Felton (8th), Andrew Bynum (16th) and Ronny Turiaf (23rd)
The depth chart now looks like this going into next season:
C Ostertag, Bynum, Araujo
PF Brown, Turiaf, Robinson
SF Thomas, Granger, Williamson, Lynch
SG Martin,Green, Murray
PG Jackson, Felton
If desired, Evans and/or Songaila could be resigned.
This lineup would be good for 12-20 wins but would provide plenty of minutes for the young players to develop. Better yet, Tag, Robinson, Thomas, Lynch, Murray and Jackson are FAs after next season giving the team a payroll of $28 million or so (about $31-32 mil if Evans is resigned) which would give them enough room under the cap to offer the max to one player or sign two good free agents. Not to mention the lottery pick they would be sure to have next season.
Corliss, PJ Brown and Araujo would be free agents after the next season, cutting payroll by almost $15 million and possibly allowing the team to be active in free agency again, or perhaps to save money for extending young players.
I seriously doubt that Petrie has any plans for ANY major trades, let alone a barrage of them. Still, wasting time on this fantasy (when I should be working on another project) made me realize one thing. I just don't have any faith that Peja, Brad and Mike can be the heart of a lineup with real aspirations of competing for a title.
Looking at the roster I just dreamed up I could easily see such a team being an absolute failure. Green could never develop his potential. Felton could continue his shaky shooting and get pushed around by bigger PGs. Granger could be a decent player who does nothing well, Turiaf could be a minor role player and Bynum could be a huge bust a la Diop. Free agents could avoid the Kings if they don't see the chance to win. All of that could be true. But as a fan, at least this type of movement would give me hope for the future.
Petrie won't blow up the team, and he certainly won't stockpile draft picks for this year. But he needs to do something . . .
Amory said:
^I second that....
That would be interesting to see because then we could start all over the next year........giving us room to sign Ben Wallace
That would be interesting to see because then we could start all over the next year........giving us room to sign Ben Wallace
Well, I can think of a lot of words to use, but interesting certainly wouldn't be among them.
One of the problems with starting over is there would be a lot of difficulty getting single quality free agents to come to Sacramento. Anybody of Wallace's caliber will get a lot of legitimate offers from contending teams. There's virtually no reason to expect that he - or anyone not named Vlade Divac - would be willing to come to Sacramento and pretty much gamble their chances of even making it to the playoffs, let alone any further.
VF21 said:
Take out the draft picks and that kinda looks like a Kings line-up I've seen before. (Player and talent-wise) And, I think we won about 20 games...
::shiver::
I do so NOT want to go back to those days, even just in discussions.
::shiver::
I do so NOT want to go back to those days, even just in discussions.
The ONLY positive I can get from that is I would get to see Bibby play more often in person. I might even be tempted to get Hornet's season tickets!
On second thought, it would just kill me that the Hornets would win more games that the Kings!
Sometimes you have to go back in order to go forward. At this point I wouldn't object to a 20 win season (or 2) in order to get back to a top quality team. I dont see how this teams current makeup can become a contender. All I see is a team thats a pretender not a contender for championships. Bibby, Peja, and Brad are not good enough to lead us to WCF's and/or chamionships. Feels like we are a lion settling for scraps instead of trying to get the whole carcus.
One of the MANY problems with that is you do not go from a 20 win season to title contenders in one (or 2) seasons. It is a rare exception that a team will even rebound to the playoffs after a season like you mentioned. If we do that, we are in far a LONG rebuilding process. Trust me, it is harder than you think.
IMHO: 20 win season = no arena, no FA willing to come = Los Vegas or _____________ (you fill in the blank) Kings.
IMHO: 20 win season = no arena, no FA willing to come = Los Vegas or _____________ (you fill in the blank) Kings.
I've been a KingsFan for 17 years. I know whats it like to have consecutive years of 20+ wins. I know exactly how long it will take and why exactly I believe that its necessary. We have a very good GM who knows what he is doing.
The Arena is a totally different issue. To equate the team leaving now to the curent situation to me is like having an orange in one hand and an apple in another. Its atleast several years down the road that the Kings ciould leave
I was curious about trading myself -- I think maybe the day after the Finals are over? So as to allow the participants there to have a chance? Trading is certainly allowed by draft night, so no more than a week away.
Free agency begins July 1, with the first official day people can be signed July 15 (you can negotiate/agree before then, but not sign the papers until mid month).
Free agency begins July 1, with the first official day people can be signed July 15 (you can negotiate/agree before then, but not sign the papers until mid month).
Go back to winning only 20 a year?
Not a chance. Certainly, not on purpose.
There is no way the Maloofs allow this team to fall that far out of contention. Not on their dime.
And they don't have to.
Sure, this team needs an overhaul. But going back to the old days and winning only 20 games will only make matters worse, not better.
First, that process would take several years to get through, not one or two. Second, the Kings would lose a lot of fans - yes, even in Sacto - if this team regressed into the late 80's doldrums. Third, the arena issue would indeed become a bigger concern, virtually assisting the Kings move to another city wanting to house a NBA franchise. This issue is real, and like it or not, it will become a large part of the deciding factor on whether or not Sacramento keeps the Kings.
Nope. It's gonna take a lot of adjustments and luck to keep this team in the playoff hunt. But there could be quite a fan mutiny if the Kings again become the laughing stock of the NBA...
Not a chance. Certainly, not on purpose.
There is no way the Maloofs allow this team to fall that far out of contention. Not on their dime.
And they don't have to.
Sure, this team needs an overhaul. But going back to the old days and winning only 20 games will only make matters worse, not better.
First, that process would take several years to get through, not one or two. Second, the Kings would lose a lot of fans - yes, even in Sacto - if this team regressed into the late 80's doldrums. Third, the arena issue would indeed become a bigger concern, virtually assisting the Kings move to another city wanting to house a NBA franchise. This issue is real, and like it or not, it will become a large part of the deciding factor on whether or not Sacramento keeps the Kings.
Nope. It's gonna take a lot of adjustments and luck to keep this team in the playoff hunt. But there could be quite a fan mutiny if the Kings again become the laughing stock of the NBA...
I think what people are missing in my scenario is that not only would the Kings have a bounty of rookies for next season, but they would be all but guaranteed another top 3 pick in the next draft as well as 15-20 million in cap room.
How fast did Denver turn their team around? How about the Suns? Development of some young players and a couple free agents and they win 33 more games. Sure you can contrast that with the Bulls, but that's as much a function of bad drafting and deals than anything. (Imagine if they'd kept together Artest, Brand and Miller instead of rebuilding their frontline with prepsters).
Perhaps we're in the minority, but I'm with Slug on this one. My scheme is utterly implausible. There is NO evidence that Petrie operates in such a reckless fashion. But that's what worries me. I'd love to be wrong, but I can't envision a scenario where the current team can just be retooled into true contenders.
I just want to have hope for a title. I certainly don't have it now.
How fast did Denver turn their team around? How about the Suns? Development of some young players and a couple free agents and they win 33 more games. Sure you can contrast that with the Bulls, but that's as much a function of bad drafting and deals than anything. (Imagine if they'd kept together Artest, Brand and Miller instead of rebuilding their frontline with prepsters).
Perhaps we're in the minority, but I'm with Slug on this one. My scheme is utterly implausible. There is NO evidence that Petrie operates in such a reckless fashion. But that's what worries me. I'd love to be wrong, but I can't envision a scenario where the current team can just be retooled into true contenders.
I just want to have hope for a title. I certainly don't have it now.
This was exactly what I was looking at myself. Other players and/or picks can be thrown in from either side to make things work, but Bosh and Peja are the focus. The deal sounds plausible and fair to both sides, of course that's coming from a Kings fan. Some would say the deal leans heavily in our favor, and that's understandable since big men are harder to come by, and since we have more pieces in place.
There are risks, but it goes both ways. Whenever you have a young talented big, you always want to be a little more cautious, but Toronto is getting back a consistent 20ppg player in Peja and a solid role player in Thomas. The deal breaker would be whether Toronto's management thinks they can sell the trade to the fan base. We'd lose a lot of outside shooting and that too is going to be hard to replace. Not to mention, there is no guarantee Bosh will develop any more than what he is now; a high teens scorer, averaging about 7-9 rebounds. Solid for a good team, but not so good for a bad team.
Toronto also has two first rounders in this deep draft that they can use to get another big. Some mock sites have Toronto picking up Sean Mays with one of those picks.
With a deal like this we can look into drafting a defensive player out on the wing. It would also make it more plausible to re-sign Evans and Songaila. Our line-up would be:
Bibby/Jackson/A.Williams
Maritn/Jackson/Draft or Evans
E.Williams/Williamson/Draft or Evans
Bosh//Skinner or Songaila
Miller/Skinner/Ostertag
Corliss, Skinner, Ostertag, or even Jackson could be fillers in the deal.
There are risks, but it goes both ways. Whenever you have a young talented big, you always want to be a little more cautious, but Toronto is getting back a consistent 20ppg player in Peja and a solid role player in Thomas. The deal breaker would be whether Toronto's management thinks they can sell the trade to the fan base. We'd lose a lot of outside shooting and that too is going to be hard to replace. Not to mention, there is no guarantee Bosh will develop any more than what he is now; a high teens scorer, averaging about 7-9 rebounds. Solid for a good team, but not so good for a bad team.
Toronto also has two first rounders in this deep draft that they can use to get another big. Some mock sites have Toronto picking up Sean Mays with one of those picks.
With a deal like this we can look into drafting a defensive player out on the wing. It would also make it more plausible to re-sign Evans and Songaila. Our line-up would be:
Bibby/Jackson/A.Williams
Maritn/Jackson/Draft or Evans
E.Williams/Williamson/Draft or Evans
Bosh//Skinner or Songaila
Miller/Skinner/Ostertag
Corliss, Skinner, Ostertag, or even Jackson could be fillers in the deal.
It's not as bad of a plan as it looks at first. Having draft picks # 5, 7, 8, 16, and 23 you can practically build a whole team just from that. And then with the potential to add a major free agent next summer. If you're going to rebuild, it's better to do it a year too soon than a year too late. Get it over with quickly and start the process of getting better right away. That's an interesting experiment, I don't think any team has ever tried to do that. Trade their whole team for a bunch of high draft picks in the current draft and cap room. The biggest problem I see with that scenario is that you're not getting back any guaranteed star players. There's no Lebron or Duncan or KG in this draft. There's a lot of good players, but few if any of them could really be considered franchise players. Of course, an argument could be made that we don't have any franchise players now, so what have we got to lose? And if we end up with a top 5 pick in the next draft, that's one more chance at getting that franchise player.
You're also running the chance that these guys are going to leave town before they ever reach their true potential. That's what happened to Chicago in the post-Jordan period. If you can't sign an impact free-agent next year, you've got a collection of young players who are probably going to get tired of losing about the time their contracts are up and playoff teams come calling. If you can turn things around quickly enough and sign re-sign the majority of the young guys when their rookie contracts expire, I think you've got a team with some exciting potential there. It'll never happen, but it would be a good strategy to try out in some kind of Basketball Mogul game. I bet you could turn a franchise around pretty quickly doing something like that.
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I don't really see that Toronto trade happening given Peja is 28 years old and Bosh is still 21 and plays a position that is harder to replace.
You're also running the chance that these guys are going to leave town before they ever reach their true potential. That's what happened to Chicago in the post-Jordan period. If you can't sign an impact free-agent next year, you've got a collection of young players who are probably going to get tired of losing about the time their contracts are up and playoff teams come calling. If you can turn things around quickly enough and sign re-sign the majority of the young guys when their rookie contracts expire, I think you've got a team with some exciting potential there. It'll never happen, but it would be a good strategy to try out in some kind of Basketball Mogul game. I bet you could turn a franchise around pretty quickly doing something like that.
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I don't really see that Toronto trade happening given Peja is 28 years old and Bosh is still 21 and plays a position that is harder to replace.
My scenario was just for fun, and is utterly implausible. That being said, I think each individual trade would be possible. If I had any doubts, it would be about pawning off KT to Jersey for cap relief. Point is, if Petrie REALLY wanted to, I think he could pull off such a scorched earth policy.
On the other hand, Peja for Bosh is a pipedream. The Raptors see him as a future star and a cornerstone to build around. Peja is a great shooter, a consistent scorer and a wonderful second banana. He'd be incredible with Shaq in Miami, Duncan in San Antonio or O'Neal in Indy. He'd even be a great compliment to Bosh. But as a replacement? If I were the Raps front office I'd stop taking Petrie's calls for even making the suggestion.
On the other hand, Peja for Bosh is a pipedream. The Raptors see him as a future star and a cornerstone to build around. Peja is a great shooter, a consistent scorer and a wonderful second banana. He'd be incredible with Shaq in Miami, Duncan in San Antonio or O'Neal in Indy. He'd even be a great compliment to Bosh. But as a replacement? If I were the Raps front office I'd stop taking Petrie's calls for even making the suggestion.
Bricklayer said:
I was actually thinking that that bump in salary cap might end up HURTING us by increasing the number of teams that can sign Cat outright and meaning a team like Denver would no longer need a sign and trade to get him.
Does increase the possibility of us one day actually being able to get under the cap, albeit not so long as we have big contracts for Brad, Mike and Peja worth $35mil or whatever (depending on Peja's deal).
Could also protect our owners from themselves if they decide they have such a chubby in their pants over Peja that they are just going to throw max money at him. Fewer years + lower annual increases means that he'd probably only earn $21 million at age 35, rather than $26.
Does increase the possibility of us one day actually being able to get under the cap, albeit not so long as we have big contracts for Brad, Mike and Peja worth $35mil or whatever (depending on Peja's deal).
Could also protect our owners from themselves if they decide they have such a chubby in their pants over Peja that they are just going to throw max money at him. Fewer years + lower annual increases means that he'd probably only earn $21 million at age 35, rather than $26.
Unfortunately, slug, while those of us who have lived through the lean years might be able to see the light at the end of the tunnel if we had to go through several "lean" years ago, a lot of Kings fans haven't been through those types of situations. They aren't going to be as patient, or trusting in Petrie's wisdom.
The arena isn't a totally different issue. Right now it's all getting lumped together, along with the latest increase in ticket prices, etc. And to say it's several years before the Kings could leave isn't exactly true - if an arena deal isn't made within a relatively short period of time (a couple of years) we could conceivably lose the team to a place like Kansas City, with its brand-new arena all ready and waiting. Remember, you have to have the plans, etc. before you can begin construction. A facility of this sort couldn't be put up in just a few months.
funky, you and slug are banking on loyalty of fans used to winning suddenly seeing their team drop out of contention entirely and remaining confident and hopeful through some terrible times before getting back to being among the elite in the West. Sure, people are going to say "Oh yeah, we'd still be fans" but I'd be willing to be they won't be parting with the big bucks for the season tickets for a rebuilding team.
The Maloofs don't want to take it down to the foundations and start again from scratch. I may not be sure of much about them any more but I'm pretty darn sure about that. The downside to doing that is just much too dangerous for them to contemplate right now, with everything else that's going on...
The arena isn't a totally different issue. Right now it's all getting lumped together, along with the latest increase in ticket prices, etc. And to say it's several years before the Kings could leave isn't exactly true - if an arena deal isn't made within a relatively short period of time (a couple of years) we could conceivably lose the team to a place like Kansas City, with its brand-new arena all ready and waiting. Remember, you have to have the plans, etc. before you can begin construction. A facility of this sort couldn't be put up in just a few months.
funky, you and slug are banking on loyalty of fans used to winning suddenly seeing their team drop out of contention entirely and remaining confident and hopeful through some terrible times before getting back to being among the elite in the West. Sure, people are going to say "Oh yeah, we'd still be fans" but I'd be willing to be they won't be parting with the big bucks for the season tickets for a rebuilding team.
The Maloofs don't want to take it down to the foundations and start again from scratch. I may not be sure of much about them any more but I'm pretty darn sure about that. The downside to doing that is just much too dangerous for them to contemplate right now, with everything else that's going on...
Of course the Maloofs wouldn't want that. It doesn't make business sense. It's much easier to muddle forth with a roster that has enough talent (hopefully) to make the playoffs but not nearly enough to be a real contender.
I sincerely hope Petrie can work some wonders to make this team a real power again, but Bibby, Peja and Brad certainly can't be enough without some additional pieces that resolve some of the team's shortcomings. Resigning Darius and/or Mo and drafting another shooter like Francisco Garcia won't do it.
All I want as a fan is hope. Hope that the team can compete for a title right now as Spur, Piston, Heat and maybe Suns fans have. Hope that with a few pieces or small changes that the team can be a contender, like Mav, Sonic, or Pacer fans. Hope that the team is on its way, like Bull, Wizard, Celtic or Nugget fans. I'd even settle for hope that the team is down and out, but with a plan for reclaiming elite status down the road. And it was in this vein that I proposed my scenario.
Right now I have NO hope or faith in this team. What I have is the sinking feeling that the Kings are going to be trapped in a cycle of mediocrity. Good enough to avoid the lottery and a potential franchise player in the draft, not good enough to escape the first round. As Bricklayer has pointed out, our "core" guys are not exactly spring chickens. They are in their prime RIGHT NOW. If they can't win now, they aren't going to win.
I have as much faith in Petrie as anyone, but he would shock even me if he could tinker with this team and produce a winner with a minor retooling. I just don't see it.
But just making the playoffs isn't enough for me. And I have my doubts right now that this roster can even do that.
I sincerely hope Petrie can work some wonders to make this team a real power again, but Bibby, Peja and Brad certainly can't be enough without some additional pieces that resolve some of the team's shortcomings. Resigning Darius and/or Mo and drafting another shooter like Francisco Garcia won't do it.
All I want as a fan is hope. Hope that the team can compete for a title right now as Spur, Piston, Heat and maybe Suns fans have. Hope that with a few pieces or small changes that the team can be a contender, like Mav, Sonic, or Pacer fans. Hope that the team is on its way, like Bull, Wizard, Celtic or Nugget fans. I'd even settle for hope that the team is down and out, but with a plan for reclaiming elite status down the road. And it was in this vein that I proposed my scenario.
Right now I have NO hope or faith in this team. What I have is the sinking feeling that the Kings are going to be trapped in a cycle of mediocrity. Good enough to avoid the lottery and a potential franchise player in the draft, not good enough to escape the first round. As Bricklayer has pointed out, our "core" guys are not exactly spring chickens. They are in their prime RIGHT NOW. If they can't win now, they aren't going to win.
I have as much faith in Petrie as anyone, but he would shock even me if he could tinker with this team and produce a winner with a minor retooling. I just don't see it.
But just making the playoffs isn't enough for me. And I have my doubts right now that this roster can even do that.
First, check my signature. Hope is what it's all about.
Second, I think we have to remember that Petrie didn't put the first team together over night. If he can keep the team competitive and, in the process, manage to build them up again I think he will definitely have shown just how good a GM he really is.
Second, I think we have to remember that Petrie didn't put the first team together over night. If he can keep the team competitive and, in the process, manage to build them up again I think he will definitely have shown just how good a GM he really is.
Agreed Funky.
Part of the reason was luck that we had a top quality team. The lockout caused a jumbled mess. Free Agents were scrambling to find a team. I remember the Vlade signing was straight out of the blue. It blew me away.
I was sort of hoping(just a lil) for another lockout this year. Where Petrie could have pulled a few rabbits out of his hat. I guess that was wishful thinking on my part. Oh well....
Newer Kings fans have to learn about the ups and downs of being a sports fan sooner or later. Why not now? Us longtime basketball/sports fans are well aware of the many, many ups and downs (*cough* 49ers from late 1970 to 2000 *cough*) that come with the territory. They never experienced the genius hoops decisions of Joe Axelson and Bill Russell.
Oh lucky them...
Part of the reason was luck that we had a top quality team. The lockout caused a jumbled mess. Free Agents were scrambling to find a team. I remember the Vlade signing was straight out of the blue. It blew me away.
I was sort of hoping(just a lil) for another lockout this year. Where Petrie could have pulled a few rabbits out of his hat. I guess that was wishful thinking on my part. Oh well....
Newer Kings fans have to learn about the ups and downs of being a sports fan sooner or later. Why not now?
Us longtime basketball/sports fans are well aware of the many, many ups and downs (*cough* 49ers from late 1970 to 2000 *cough*) that come with the territory. They never experienced the genius hoops decisions of Joe Axelson and Bill Russell. Oh lucky them...
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There's an interesting article at Realgm.com re: Kings and Paul Pierce. Of course it also includes another dozen scenarios with other teams but I found it interesting because, allegedly, before the last trade deadline (Jan-Feb?) we were close to trading Peja and Bobby for Pierce. Plus, in this guys mind anyway, he still thinks a Peja and Corliss trade for Pierce would be beneficial enough to the Celtics to outweigh most of the other scenarios. And, as an advocate for obtaining Pierce, this would not be too high of a price to pay. Perhaps a draft day move?
I have generally assumed that if we were going to get Pierce from Boston for Peja we would have to take on a bad contract in return. But if you can more or less swap the players straight across, with only a 32 yr old journeyman as a throw in, you do that instantly and don't look back. It gives you an extra creater to team with Bibby and Brad, a goto guy with a post game for a guard/SF, improves your rebounding...you just do it with the team we ahve now. Unless, of course, trading Peja for you is not about basketball, but is personal.
Now why would Boston do that though?
Now why would Boston do that though?
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Paul Pierce
i been hearing alot of Pierce for Peja/Corliss rumors again... i actually like this trade.... Bibby/Pierce/Miller combo sounds good to me.. i know this topic has been regurgitated over and over but i just want to know how everyone feels about this trade.. do you guys think its likely to go down? just another rumor? what yall think
i been hearing alot of Pierce for Peja/Corliss rumors again... i actually like this trade.... Bibby/Pierce/Miller combo sounds good to me.. i know this topic has been regurgitated over and over but i just want to know how everyone feels about this trade.. do you guys think its likely to go down? just another rumor? what yall think
