OFFICIAL lockout update thread (merged)

I don't believe it as ESPN and SI and NBA.com have nothing there about an agreement....
 
Maybe its legit:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2088589


Updated: June 17, 2005, 6:02 PM ET
Curry optimistic that sides close to tentative proposal


ESPN.com news services






With a July 1 NBA lockout date looming, the president of the NBA Players' Association said Friday he's hopeful that owners and players will have a framework for a new six-year collective bargaining agreement in place by the weekend.

With talks resuming at an undisclosed location in New York, Michael Curry told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher that he is optimistic that the sides might reach a tentative proposal that each side could present to its constituents next week for approval.

Curry did not provide details on what the framework would include, but he described the tenor of the talks as "good."

"Having been through this before, I was optimistic that we could get a deal done in time," said Curry, who was part of the negotiations that resulted in the last collective bargaining deal in 1999, which followed a lockout.

The collective bargaining agreement is set to expire June 30, after which, a lockout would begin.

Curry told Bucher that he knew "it would simply take getting to the 11th hour. We're now at the 11th hour."

According to Curry, the players attending Friday's meeting included himself, Antonio Davis and Pat Garrity. Curry said the team executives at the meeting were Wyc Grousbeck, managing partner of the Boston Celtics; Steve Mills, president and CEO of MSG Sports (representing the New York Knicks); Les Alexander, owner of the Houston Rockets; and Lewis Katz, owner of the New Jersey Nets.

Friday's meeting, which included NBA commissioner David Stern and players' association director Billy Hunter, was the first since June 1, when the sides met for 2½ hours at the union's offices in New York.

The past two weeks have been marked by public posturing from both sides, with the latest salvo coming Wednesday when Hunter traveled to the NBA Finals in Detroit to explain his side of the story as to why talks have been stalled.

Hunter said he would call Stern before the current labor agreement expires, and that call apparently was made Thursday. The sides have engaged in on-and-off talks throughout the late winter and spring.

On Wednesday, Hunter said he surmised from Stern's public comments last Sunday that only three issues remain in dispute -- an age limit for rookies, a tougher drug-testing program and the maximum length of long-term contracts, but deputy commissioner Russ Granik said Hunter's assumption was incorrect.

Owners are known to be seeking several other changes to current rules, including a new luxury tax (dubbed a "supertax") for the highest spending teams, reductions in the size of annual salary increases in long-term contracts, a shortened rookie wage scale and adjustments to the so-called trigger percentages that activate the escrow and luxury taxes designed to curtail spending on player salaries.

Stern did not reference those items when he addressed the media before Game 2 of the Finals, though he did go into detail about where the owners stand on the other items. He said the league wants the minimum age raised to 19, the maximum contract length reduced from seven years to six, and an anti-drug agreement that would call for veterans to be tested year-round. Currently, veterans are tested only once per year, during training camp.

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.
 
i'm just wondering...

who's michael curry? if i understood the article right, he's also a player, but i couldn't find his name in the player directory.

sorry, i know it's a pretty dumb question, but i'm just curious...
 
ker0ber0s said:
i'm just wondering...

who's michael curry? if i understood the article right, he's also a player, but i couldn't find his name in the player directory.

sorry, i know it's a pretty dumb question, but i'm just curious...
Michael Curry played for the Raptors last season. This season he played a couple of games with the Pacers.

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Bballkingsrock said:
Just heard it on the basketball board of IGN.com. They said he saw it on Sportscenter and it is a 6 yuear deal. Anncounment next week. Link:

http://boards.ign.com/Basketball/b5109/90281628/?18

Let the fun continue wiht hte offseason!! Whoo!!!

Basically, the problem with quoting another message board is people sometimes mistake enthusiasm for fact...

There is NO AGREEMENT yet, although it does appear a lot more promising than it did last week.

There are still things to be worked out, so I wouldn't start the party quite yet - but you might want to go ahead and see about ordering the cake.

;)
 
OFFICIAL Lockout update thread

http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/story/13092664p-13937550c.html

Reports have the owners and players reaching agreement on two key issues
By Joe Davidson -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 2:15 am PDT Sunday, June 15, 2005

The sounds you hear are of chain links and padlocks being unloaded by the ton.
They're about to be securely fastened on all NBA operations across the land, right on out to Arco Arena and the Kings' practice facility.

"Lockout" is a frightening word in professional sports, and it could come down on the NBA. It would have a ripple effect that will hammer the Kings, a franchise that desperately needs the offseason to recharge and retool. And there are the Kings fans who can't quite understand why so many millionaires fail to agree on how to divvy up the mountains of cash.


In simple terms, the existing collective bargaining agreement will expire July 1. Both sides of the labor table met Friday to try to settle many issues - from drug testing to length of contracts to a minimum age to annual raises. Reports out of Auburn Hills, Mich., where both sides met during the NBA Finals, were that accord had been reached on contract length and minimum age. But if those reports are false, or if the sides don't come to terms on the other issues in a hurry, the league will lock out the players for the second time in seven seasons, which NBA Commissioner David Stern said would be a "mistake of epic proportions."

And all hands agree that this lockout would be more damaging than the 1998-99 one that stretched seven months, wiped out half the season and plastered the league with a black eye.

"If we don't have a deal by July 1," Stern said in a recent news conference, "we won't make a deal anytime soon thereafter."

Said NBA agent Andy Miller, whose clients include Kings guard Cuttino Mobley: "Say now that there's somewhere between three and 20 open issues. When July 1 rolls around and no contract is in place, that goes from somewhere between 21 and 500 open issues that could open up.

"The thing will multiply by an exuberant amount. Put that in with the acrimony that's there, and it becomes a bloodbath."

And a complete NBA standstill, with everything frozen in the heat of summer. For a team such as the Kings, that means owners and front-office personnel and coaches cannot explore free agency, trades, contract extensions or even use Arco or the practice facility to make calls. For the players, it means the money stops cold, and they scramble to find a place to lift weights, to take jumpers, to stay sharp.

For the fans? Bitterness.

"Makes no sense to me, and, really, it seems insulting that these people can't figure this out," said Lawrence Hill, a 54-year-old season-ticket holder who likes to take his three sons to games, while attending a summer league basketball game at Capital Christian. "It has me not thinking of coming back as a fan. Enough already."

Should a lockout occur, NBA players such as Bobby Jackson and Matt Barnes said they will become residents of Basketball Town in Rancho Cordova, working on their games while hoping both sides of the labor dispute can work out their differences.

"It would be a real shame if this happens, because the NBA is on top right now," said Barnes, a Del Campo High School graduate who played last season with the Kings and Philadelphia 76ers and is a free agent seeking a job. "It'll really hurt guys like me."

And guys such as Kevin Martin, a Kings rookie last season who said last week that he needs as much polish and work as he can get.

Jackson said there's too much to lose with a lockout. The Kings guard pointed out that one of the issues on the table is length of contracts, of which he can speak. He signed a six-year deal with the Kings in 2000 because he craved the security.

By all accounts, he's a real bargain, making $3.1 million last season, good for ninth on the team and 167th in the NBA. He could have earned more, he said, had he signed a shorter deal.

"If I did it again, I'd hope for a shorter deal," Jackson said. "You can see both sides. You hope this thing can work itself out, because a lockout doesn't help anybody."

NBA owners want shorter deals to avoid Chris Webber-type situations. The Kings signed Webber to a maximum seven-year, $122 million deal in 2001, and the money was fine for the product until the power forward's body started to break down in 2002-03. He was traded in February to the 76ers, who absorbed the balky knee and the final three years and $62.1 million of his deal.

Kings owners and upper management said they aren't allowed to talk about labor issues because of fines. President of basketball operations Geoff Petrie said, "If you can pony up a million dollars (to cover the fine), I can talk about it." But Petrie did say, "Everything will be shut down (without a new deal). But (we're) still planning (for the future), and you have to be ready for any resolution."

Kings fans said the players come out looking greedy. Players are already handsomely paid compared to the common man, and fans wonder how much cash is enough.

"Come and work a real job like some of us, and then let's see you have an issue," said Barbara Wallace, a 37-year-old who attends a dozen or so games each year.

Players say they want what's fair. So do their agents.

"Anytime this comes to the forefront, it involves a lot of emotion, especially people like the Kings fans who are so connected to their team," said Bill Duffy, a Bay Area-based agent. "On the other hand, this is the players' livelihood. ... It isn't greed, and as much as we appreciate the players and how they play, they're not always qualified for other careers, because they have put their heart and soul into basketball. ... They're hired talent. They're no different than a horse in a race."
Right now, the race is to July 1.

(Cont...)
 
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POINTS OF CONTENTION
Here's a look at some of the issues that could prompt an NBA lockout come July 1. The issues are in no particular order:
Contract length At present: NBA players can sign a guaranteed deal for a maximum of seven seasons if they re-sign with their current club. Players signing with other teams via free agency can secure six-year guaranteed deals. The debate: The owners feel these contracts are too long, especially when an injury happens and the player becomes a shell of himself and weighs down a team's cap (Chris Webber and Allan Houston, for example). The owners want to trim these contracts down to three and four years. The players union likes the idea of long contracts, for player security. Possible compromise: Settle at four and five years.

Salary raises At present: Players are granted maximum raises of 12.5 percent per season if they re-sign with their current club, 10 percent if they go elsewhere via free agency. The debate: Owners shriek at the very idea of such outlandish raises (which is why the Kings were delighted to jettison Webber's ballooning contract). The salary cap doesn't expand nearly as much as the raises, thus creating major cap headaches. The players union doesn't mind the raises. Possible compromise: Trim the raises to 5 or 7 percent.

Mid-level exception At present: A mid-level exception is granted for teams that have exceeded the NBA's salary cap, based on average player salary ($4.9 million presently). The debate: A mid-level deal might initially help on the cap, but eventually there could be problems, with subsequent raises making the player no longer at a mid-level salary and stretching the overall salary cap. The players union likes such wiggle room because it helps its clients. Possible compromise: Trim the mid-level offers, or even split them in half to sign two players, with lower raises.

Age limit At present: Players are eligible for the NBA draft following their high school graduation if they are from the United States (foreign players must be 18 years old, at least, by the night of the draft). The debate: NBA Commissioner David Stern doesn't like the idea of NBA GMs and owners inside high school gyms. He wants an age minimum of 20. The players union argues that if you can fight for your country at 18, you should be able to shoot hoops. Possible compromise: Settle at age 19.

Anti-drug policy At present: The NBA agreement mandates that players are tested once per year, during training camp. The debate: The owners want a more stringent plan, such as year-round testing (the players union and players rarely discuss this as to not sound like they endorse drugs of any kind). Possible compromise: Testing three times per year.

Salary cap At present: The salary cap for NBA teams is $43.87 million. It is set on basketball-related income. The debate: With all the sticking points in raises and mid-level exceptions, etc., it seems logical that the cap has to increase, particularly for those teams not in major-market cities. More cap room allows for more spending. Possible compromise: Shake hands on this one, already.

Player Escrow Account At present: Players annually ante up 10 percent of their salaries into an escrow account. At the end of each season, if the total escrow surpasses 57 percent of the NBA's total basketball-related income, the collected cash goes to the owners. Otherwise, the players receive their dough back. In the past two seasons, the owners have cashed in from the players about $8 million each season. The debate: The owners like this, the players do not. Possible compromise: Trim the escrow account to 5 percent.

Minor-league system At present: There is the National Basketball Developmental League, but no team in that league is connected to an NBA outfit, unlike Major League Baseball's farm system. So if the Kings have a rookie who needs some seasoning and games under his belt, they cannot send him to the NBDL and call him up when he's ready. The debate: Stern wants a minor-league system to help groom talent. The players union is concerned about salaries and has indicated the NBA doesn't need a minor league. Possible compromise: Make the NBDL a true minor-league system and pay the players accordingly.

The Bee's Joe Davidson can be reached at (916) 321-1280 or jdavidson@sacbee.com.
 
Voisin on the lockout...

http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/story/13092663p-13937551c.html

If the Ball Stops Bouncing, Heads Will Roll
By Ailene Voisin -- Bee Sports Columnist
Published 2:15 am PDT Sunday, June 15, 2005

AUBURN HILLS, Mich. - They can conduct dueling news conferences. They can sling muddy and misleading statistics. They can spew invectives. They can even throw avocados at each other. But the owners and players have to make something stick this time.

No more false hope, no more false starts.

No more NHLs.

"Right now, everybody's thinking, 'hockey,' " said San Antonio Spurs veteran Robert Horry, shaking his head, "and I mean everybody. We need to get it done."

Amid indications of significant, almost sudden progress in collective bargaining talks, the heaviness hovering over these NBA Finals has been lightened by the sense that, after all these months, the millionaires have stopped quibbling about dollars and gained some sense.

As of late Saturday, the parties reportedly have resolved two of the more contentious issues - agreeing on an age limit and maximum contract length - and planned to debate secondary topics in more informal discussions throughout the weekend. Formal talks are scheduled to resume Tuesday, coincidentally, the day the series returns to SBC Center in San Antonio. Additionally, there have been hints about a possible news conference before Game 6.

The timing couldn't be better.

The national and international press is assembled. The series is tightening. And, most importantly, that threatened July 1 lockout date is ominously approaching. A pre-emptive strike would be an absolute public relations coup - a rarity in these troubled days of flat television ratings, the absence of Shaq and his amusing sound bites, and the massive (and lingering) effects of the early season brawl that featured several of the league's premier players and two of its most-respected franchises.

So, no, neither side can afford a lockout. If anything, employer and employee should be offering discounts to the fans. At the very least, they should be working overtime.

"Everyone is doing well," acknowledged Detroit Pistons reserve Darvin Ham, the team's unofficial labor expert. "The owners have done well. The players signed record contracts last summer. I would love to see something done in the next few days.

"Last year the breakup of the Lakers overshadowed our championship, and I don't want a lockout to overshadow our championship this year. But even more than that, we've done a lot for this city, just being successful like we have the last few years. I go around a lot, and just the boost of morale, especially because of the makeup of this team, the type of players we have. ... I would hate to see that ruined."

Though NBA Commissioner David Stern and union leader Billy Hunter slobbered all over themselves this past week, exaggerating the severity of the situation in competing news conferences - seriously, how can anyone talk about a "death knell" or disaster of "epic proportions" when U.S. soldiers are perishing daily in Iraq? - there is a certain sanity inherent in the often-crazed world of professional sports. The games still matter. Fans justifiably complain about outrageous ticket prices and the increasing aloofness of the athletes. But they still care, and, if you win, in most places they still come.

In this series alone, the low-profile but immensely likeable Pistons and Spurs have transformed their respective communities into emotional playgrounds. There is no disconnect between these teams and their towns. Detroit and San Antonio resemble Sacramento back when the Kings were a real passing fancy (Vlade Divac, Doug Christie, a healthy Chris Webber, etc.).

Very quietly - too quietly the ratings would seem to suggest - players and coaches have been so accommodating and congenial as to be almost old school. Almost without exception, they have been a delight to deal with, patiently and repeatedly sharing their often untold stories in a variety of languages.

Who can't relate to Bruce Bowen's long journey? Gregg Popovich's intriguing intelligence background? Lindsey Hunter's reappearance? Manu Ginobili's emergence? Tony Parker's adorable accent? Tim Duncan's brilliance, and, these past two games, his rare struggles against the Wallaces - Ben and Rasheed? Who isn't curious about the future of the ever-restless Larry Brown?

"Everybody looks at athletes now as being selfish and stuff like that," Brown noted while standing alone in a hallway, "but I look around our league, and see our kids going in the right direction. I think getting this (labor agreement) done quickly would be huge for all of us. Our game is getting better. I honestly believe that."

Labor peace would further his case, enhance the league's cause.

The alternative is almost too unpleasant to contemplate.

Reach Ailene Voisin at (916) 321-1208 or avoisin@sacbee.com.
 
Interesting, I never really knew about the escrow thing before. I just hope that tentative deal they were talking about on Friday comes to fruition this week. Time is running out and a NHL situation is a no win situation for anyone especially the fans.
 
According to ESPN, it looks like this thing is getting closer and closer to being fully hammered out. The details as being reported:

Age limit moved to 19. Players who do not turn 19 before draft night are ineligible, which all but stops the straight from high school pipeline.

Max deals reduced to six years if signing with current team and five years if jumping to a new squad. This is a one year reduction in both cases.

Yearly raises are now maxed out at 10% (down from 12.5%) if signing with the current team, 8% (down from 10%) if its a new team.

The so-called "supertax" was reportedly dropped by the owners. This would have been a luxury tax on steroids, penalizing teams that were WAY over the cap by $2 for every dollar over rather than $1. Can't believe the Knicks ownership was pushing for that. Donald Sterling? You betcha.

Some additional changes reported with the current escrow system and luxury tax money distribution.

The most interesting change was one I hadn't heard before. Allegedly, rookie contracts are going to now provide options for the third AND fourth years. Teams are now longer bound for a minimum of three years. They can release a late round pick after just two seasons. I think this will mean that fewer teams will actively shop their late round draft picks as aggressively.
 
funkykingston said:
According to ESPN, it looks like this thing is getting closer and closer to being fully hammered out. The details as being reported:

Age limit moved to 19. Players who do not turn 19 before draft night are ineligible, which all but stops the straight from high school pipeline.

Max deals reduced to six years if signing with current team and five years if jumping to a new squad. This is a one year reduction in both cases.

Yearly raises are now maxed out at 10% (down from 12.5%) if signing with the current team, 8% (down from 10%) if its a new team.

The so-called "supertax" was reportedly dropped by the owners. This would have been a luxury tax on steroids, penalizing teams that were WAY over the cap by $2 for every dollar over rather than $1. Can't believe the Knicks ownership was pushing for that. Donald Sterling? You betcha.

Some additional changes reported with the current escrow system and luxury tax money distribution.

The most interesting change was one I hadn't heard before. Allegedly, rookie contracts are going to now provide options for the third AND fourth years. Teams are now longer bound for a minimum of three years. They can release a late round pick after just two seasons. I think this will mean that fewer teams will actively shop their late round draft picks as aggressively.

And these all appear to be the rational compromises that should have been worked out from the very beginning without the stupid posturing. Meet in the middle, get the job done, go back to work.
 
Ah but if they had done that in the beginning, we'd miss out on all the name-calling and righteous indignation...

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Bricklayer said:
And these all appear to be the rational compromises that should have been worked out from the very beginning without the stupid posturing. Meet in the middle, get the job done, go back to work.

Gee, if only someone could take the same logical approach to getting an arena built in Sacramento...........:)
 
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/3706686

NBA, players' union reach deal
NEW YORK (AP) - NBA owners and players agreed to a new collective bargaining agreement Tuesday, averting the possibility of a lockout.


The league called a news conference in San Antonio prior to Game 6 of the NBA Finals, with commissioner David Stern and union director Billy Hunter announcing their agreement.

The deal came on the fourth consecutive day of talks between the sides. The league's old seven-year agreement is due to expire on June 30.

Details of the new six-year agreement were not immediately disclosed, but the sides had been trying to reach compromises on several key issues. Among them were the owners' desire to raise the minimum age for draft eligibility to 19, reduce the maximum length of long-term contracts from seven years to six, and reduce the size of annual salary increases in those long-term contracts.

Among the main items the players were seeking was a reduction in the so-called escrow tax under which 10 percent of their salaries are withheld if the amount of revenues devoted to players salaries exceeds a specified percentage.

Owners had already offered to raise the salary cap from slightly more than 48 percent of revenues to 51 percent, thereby increasing the amount of money each team can spend on player salaries.

The NBA has a system known as a "soft" salary cap, allowing teams to exceed the cap threshold to retain their own free agents, and to sign free agents under the so-called midlevel exception that was added to the labor agreement in 1999 after the sides went through a 7 1/2-month lockout.

Another lockout could have begun July 1. The agreement will still need to be ratified by the league's Board of Governors and by the members of the players' union at their annual meeting in Las Vegas next week.
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Well, that was fast. And after all that bluster from both sides for the public.

Petrie, get to work!
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CBA Deal DONE

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2091539

League to announce agreement prior to Game 6

ESPN.com news services





NEW YORK -- NBA owners and players agreed to a new collective bargaining agreement Tuesday, averting the possibility of a lockout.

The league called a news conference in San Antonio prior to Game 6 of the NBA Finals, with commissioner David Stern and union director Billy Hunter announcing their agreement, ESPN Insider Chad Ford has confirmed.

The deal came on the fourth consecutive day of talks between the sides. The league's old seven-year agreement is due to expire on June 30.



The league and its players' association on Monday night were close to agreeing on a new CBA that would institute a new 19-year-old age minimum, reduce contract lengths and raise the salary cap, according to sources close to both negotiating committee.

Among the main items the players were seeking was a reduction in the so-called escrow tax under which 10 percent of their salaries are withheld if the amount of revenues devoted to players salaries exceeds a specified percentage.

Owners had already offered to raise the salary cap from slightly more than 48 percent of revenues to 51 percent, thereby increasing the amount of money each team can spend on player salaries.

The NBA has a system known as a "soft" salary cap, allowing teams to exceed the cap threshold to retain their own free agents, and to sign free agents under the so-called midlevel exception that was added to the labor agreement in 1999 after the sides went through a 7½-month lockout.

Another lockout could have begun July 1.

The agreement will still need to be ratified by the league's Board of Governors and by the members of the players' union at their annual meeting in Las Vegas next week.



A source close to the NBA negotiating committee and a source close to the union's negotiation committee claim that all of the major issues between the sides had been agreed to in principle as of Monday night.
 
Thank the Basketball lords, up above!

I'm kinda disappointed the minimum age rule got put in, but hey, there will be no lockout, so I'm happy.
 
NBA.Com on finals page says press conference is at 5:00 ET so around 2:00 pm here it appears they will announce that they have reached the aggreement. Both Sterns and Hunter will be at the press conference, so stay tuned!!!
 
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