Do we need more wino depth?
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kb02
All-Star
Yea, I remember Baja’s opinion on Toppin. Then dude drops on draft day and it turns out he wasn’t nearly as ready as most assumed.
Do we need more wino depth?
Given this past season, I'd say we don't have enough.
Groovygreg
Starter
You’re talking about the fans’ “wino depth”, obviously.
Telemachus
Starter
Toppin's biggest problem last season was getting injured coming out of the gates. By the time he was healthy, the Knicks were playing really well and it took a while before he broke back into the rotation.
I dont know exactly what the cap situation is but I probably would depending on what they'd give Holmes. He's one of the best defensive centers in the league. Probably not good enough to play starters minutes but he could change the tone on defense in a hurry.
kb02
All-Star
Holmes is a good player, but I have hard time understanding the one of the best defensive centers in the league comment. Like he can switch, but he’s not in the same class as Draymond. And he can’t anchor a defense like Gobert. Whiteside made a much bigger defensive impact than Holmes last year.
steelevt
All-Star
i read it as he is talking about noel
kb02
All-Star
Ahh…gotcha
Uhm. No
kb02
All-Star
Umm, yes. Holmes in, layup line for opponents. Whiteside in, layup line stopped.
And remember, Holmes was the starting center for the worse defense in NBA history.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Too bad there isn't much time in todays NBA. You have about 2 years as a production player to produce, or be put in a position to do so, before you're written off. Marvin Bagley says hi.
Volblorx8634
Bench
If Holmes isn't resigned, I would rather run Bagley at the 5 and see if he can be part of winning games and improving the team. Many have mentioned it on these forums but go all in and see if he sinks or swims. He's younger than Drummond, and thus fits their timeline. Not to mention that I'd rather trot Bagley out then "officially" give up on him by signing a Drummond.
Noble
Bench
Noble
Bench
I wouldnt really care if the vet on our team is the big. Having the young core 1-3 would be more ideal, as thats whats more important in todays league. Get the vets at the pf and center positions to anchor the paint, provide help defense, and get the boards.
ockingsfan
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Seeing that Ben Simmons is probably out of reach for the Kings, the Kings may target another Philly player, Tobias Harris in a trade. Philly may try to rehab Simmons and the best way to do that is to give him a 3 point gunner like Buddy next to him in the back court. Harris has a massive contract, but Buddy and Bagley's contracts basically are a wash for the Kings, salary wise.
I would propose a Buddy Hield and Marvin Bagley for Tobias Harris. Why would the Kings do it? The Kings get a quality, All-Star level player for two players that clearly don't want to be a King. The Kings would have a versatile 3 point shooting front court with Harrison Barnes and Tobias Harris. As long as the Kings can re-sign Holmes, the Kings would have a pretty nice starting 5.
Why Philly does it? They get a former 3 point champion next to Ben Simmons and a power forward in Bagley that has upside and an improved 3 point shooting to open the lanes for Simmons and Embiid. Plus, Philly gets out under the massive contract Harris and save millions over the life of the players contracts.
The Kings would have a potent starting line up:
PF Tobias Harris / Metu
SF Harrison Barnes / Woodward/Harkless / #9 pick
C Richaun Holmes / Jones
SG Tyrese Haliburton / Davis
PG D'Arron Fox / Wright
I would propose a Buddy Hield and Marvin Bagley for Tobias Harris. Why would the Kings do it? The Kings get a quality, All-Star level player for two players that clearly don't want to be a King. The Kings would have a versatile 3 point shooting front court with Harrison Barnes and Tobias Harris. As long as the Kings can re-sign Holmes, the Kings would have a pretty nice starting 5.
Why Philly does it? They get a former 3 point champion next to Ben Simmons and a power forward in Bagley that has upside and an improved 3 point shooting to open the lanes for Simmons and Embiid. Plus, Philly gets out under the massive contract Harris and save millions over the life of the players contracts.
The Kings would have a potent starting line up:
PF Tobias Harris / Metu
SF Harrison Barnes / Woodward/Harkless / #9 pick
C Richaun Holmes / Jones
SG Tyrese Haliburton / Davis
PG D'Arron Fox / Wright
Jkbiker
Starter
Four Trade Destinations For Kyle Kuzma (thebiglead.com)
This will require a lot of cooperation from both sides, but hear me out for a quick second: Kuzma, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and Montrezl Harrell for Buddy Hield. The Kings should not and probably do not want to trade Hield. He's a flamethrower from beyond the arc and his mere presence on the floor opens everything up offensively. But Hield has clashed with Luke Walton more than a few times over the last two seasons and a change of scenery may be best for both sides. In return for the sharpshooter, the Kings would get two pieces that help round out their league-worst defense and slightly more complementary pieces to the future backcourt of DeAaron Fox/Tyrese Haliburton while acquiring frontcourt depth.
Kuzma thinks he is big defensive stopper. Really?
Salaries dont work anyway
Kuzma, Harrell #22 for Buddy?
Could Kuzma provide spacing and defense for Bagley at the 5?
Fox,Wright
Hali,TD
Barnes, #9
Kuzma,Harrell,Metu
Bagley,#22 Segun,,Jones
This will require a lot of cooperation from both sides, but hear me out for a quick second: Kuzma, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and Montrezl Harrell for Buddy Hield. The Kings should not and probably do not want to trade Hield. He's a flamethrower from beyond the arc and his mere presence on the floor opens everything up offensively. But Hield has clashed with Luke Walton more than a few times over the last two seasons and a change of scenery may be best for both sides. In return for the sharpshooter, the Kings would get two pieces that help round out their league-worst defense and slightly more complementary pieces to the future backcourt of DeAaron Fox/Tyrese Haliburton while acquiring frontcourt depth.
Kuzma thinks he is big defensive stopper. Really?
Salaries dont work anyway
Kuzma, Harrell #22 for Buddy?
Could Kuzma provide spacing and defense for Bagley at the 5?
Fox,Wright
Hali,TD
Barnes, #9
Kuzma,Harrell,Metu
Bagley,#22 Segun,,Jones
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Jkbiker
Starter
Per Kuzma:
“I’ve done a great job every offseason of trying to build something and add something to my game. I’ve turned myself into a great defender. My rookie year, I was a stop sign on defense. I didn’t really stop anybody. Now, whether it’s elite wings, 4 men, even point guards and shooting guards, I have the ability to guard four positions now and really affect the game on that end of the court.”
Kuzma wants out, Harrell was buried behind Drummond in playoffs was not happy about it
could he be that 6th man again?
Buddy wants out
I included #22 for us , If we trade with Lakers gotta be slam dunk for us
“I’ve done a great job every offseason of trying to build something and add something to my game. I’ve turned myself into a great defender. My rookie year, I was a stop sign on defense. I didn’t really stop anybody. Now, whether it’s elite wings, 4 men, even point guards and shooting guards, I have the ability to guard four positions now and really affect the game on that end of the court.”
Kuzma wants out, Harrell was buried behind Drummond in playoffs was not happy about it
could he be that 6th man again?
Buddy wants out
I included #22 for us , If we trade with Lakers gotta be slam dunk for us
Volblorx8634
Bench
You've got Barnes already, so I don't know that Drummond's additional vet presence is valuable enough to prioritize him, not to mention that I've never seen him as the smart, savvy player whose veteran presence stabilizes a team.
That said, with Holmes at this point probably unlikely to return and Bagley seemingly forcing his way out of town, we may have a gaping hole at C that needs filling.
I actually hope Monte is looking hard at Drummond. It's not only that the Kings are likely to have a gaping hole, but that Drummond might be a danged good fit, depending on where his head is. On one hand, he's obviously a monster rebounder - and the Kings will very much need that. A starting lineup of Fox, Hali, HB, and Wagner/Barnes/Johnson/Kuminga has a lot to recommend it, but rebounding isn't among them. Nor is it a Damian Jones strength. If Holmes and Bags are gone, Kings will need major help on the boards. In that respect, at least, it'd be nice to plug the big fella in.
The big question w/Drummond is defense. Like Whiteside and DeAndre Jordan, in the past he's looked to pad his rebound numbers by refusing to leave the paint, conceding wide open jumpers to the guy he's ostensibly guarding. But he's more athletic than given credit for, and if he can make the effort and keep his head in the game he'd be the best center the Kings are likely to be able to afford. I love Holmes and will miss his mobility if he leaves - AND it'd be nice to have a 5 who can't be bullied by the big boys.
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Telemachus
Starter
I'm hoping they can somehow trade up to get Mobley. I'm not holding my breathe, though.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
There are a ton of good big man prospects in the second round range thanks to the value of the center position cratering. If Holmes leaves in free agency, dropping some money on Noel and drafting a Mamu, Queta, Thor, or Petrusev with that 39th pick is probably the smartest way to proceed.
Kings'd need to jump at least to #3, probably #2 to get Mobley. Would you do it for Ty and the #9? It'd be VERY expensive.
Sounds like a reputable lineup. I have always liked Harris and would be happy to have him a King, he is however the same age as Barnes which would not sit well with the fit our backcourt timeline thought process.
If we want to at least be competitive I think it an okay move and we can get a young wing or forward in the draft to bring along without much pressure. I would also like Philadelphia’s late 1st.
Buddy, I would think has the most value here but if he and Bagley want out I’d rather see something happen.
No, I’m not trading Haliburton or Fox for anyone in the league.
These two are young, show way to much potential, and want to be here. The wanting to be in Sacramento may wear thin if we don’t start winning but for now it’s a great attribute.
Telemachus
Starter
I didn't say I saw a way of it happening, just he somehow pulled it off. No, I wouldn't give up Halliburton. I think one of the things that will help take the Kings to the next level is Halliburton taking over the leadership of the team. Fox is a willing leader, but not a vocal leader. Halliburton is a natural leader, which is why I see him becoming the vocal leader of the team.
