Nocioni for Straight up expirings?
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SacTownGrantFan
Bench
Yes. But it would be nice get 1 decent player for resigning, otherwise fans would be upset.
fxhsurjono
G-League
dam i'd take that.
Dreadnought
Bench
Same. I feel like House has solidified himself in Boston as a good player though. I'm not sure they would want to trade him. But again, I'd definitely do that trade.
So would it, which is probably proof that it would never happen.
It also puts Boston even further into luxury tax land (adding $2 million in the trade, plus signing House back adds another $1 million or so). And I don't know that any team would even trade their #1 pick (late 20s+ or not, it's their only first rounder) for Nocioni.
Back to the drawing board.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Noc is a somewhat better player than people give him credit for -- he's got some value to other teams and is viable either as a roleplaying starter or a 6th man type. Not a salary dump sort of situation.
Given our situation cheerfully move him for a pick or younger guy though.
Given our situation cheerfully move him for a pick or younger guy though.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Not a question of what fits here, a question of what you can get in return. And I think you can probably do better than expirings.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
I'm torn. Nocioni has the potential to be a solid 15 points 5 rebounds a game player and you shouldn't give that away, but, is he is the right place with this team? The time might come where it doesn't make much sense to keep him simply because he isn't someone that will get us over the top. Age may come into play here.
=LarryLegend=
Starter
I hope we keep Nocioni, we cant have all rook/couple year players we need some leadership also. Nocioni has heart, scrappy and plays good d.
Nighthawk1
Starter
I think that is debatable especially if the rumored salary cap for 2010 actually comes to fruition. In that case having that money in hand to go after a solid player of our choosing would be more beneficial in my point of view vs. going after the best player we can hope for out of a trade for him. I think he's a good contributor on our team, his toughness and competitiveness hopefully will wear off on the guys but I think that's where his positives ends on our team. He's older and in a position in which we have some young guns and an experienced Cisco that can play the 3 for us. I just don't think he's a good fit for our team (still) besides the toughness he brings...
Yes I would do this trade.
Vlade4GM
All-Star
Whatever. Just saying that expirings are worth it.
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
The more i think about trading Noc or Garcia, the more I want to Keep Noc instead. For this reason. Noc is a 3/4, Garcia is a 2/3,.. We just got a 1/2 in the draft and we also have two 3/4's looking for time (Greene,Casspi). Now we dont want ANY time being taken away from Evans. He needs those minutes at point and at Shooting Guard. Noc and our other 3/4's are versatile so two of them can be on the court at the same time one playing power forward one small forward. I see this scenario as the most logical minutes wise for development of our young players.
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Kingster
Hall of Famer
I don't think Evans is a 1/2. For all intent and purposes, he's a 1 at this point in his development. He can't shoot 3s on a regular basis like you need from a 2. Therefore, you need Garcia to fill in that 2 role much more than Noc where there is already a logjam. Maybe in a few years Evans can be a nice spot up outside shooter, but not now.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
There are many types of 2s, and this franchise's soft shooting fetish aside, not all of them have to be three point shooters. In fact one of the players that Evans is most often compared to, Dwayne Wade, could not shoot them at all coming out of college.
I'm callingthe kid a 1 myself until he proves otherwise, but his game as a lot of the 2 to it.
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AriesMar27
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well after the marion trade we could trade nocioni to orlando for their tpe that they got from hedo's s&t to toronto.... they could use a starting sf now that hedo is gone....
Circa_1985_Fan
All-Star
Ok...so...what are we going to do with all this money after this season that we're trading everyone away for expirings? After Labron, Wade and Bosh...who's left that's worth giving this boat load if money to? Like I said before, I guess you could bring in Manu if he's drunk and willing to come here...but after that there's not that much left, of the free agents that are worth signing that we would have a legitimate shot at.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
This is true, but can they afford him? This is a team that was spewing money just last season and you would think they would have love to have had Hedo back if it was in the budget. So they let Hedo go and bring in Noc for only a few dollars less (relatively speaking)?
Vlade4GM
All-Star
I think it depends who they can get with the MLE. Nocioni is a nice role player, but ultimately is still a role player. Turkuglu was their no.1 perimeter option, probably no.1 when you consider that Howard isn't a real go-to guy.
Nocioni makes what, $7.5 mil this year, and descends after that. Hedo just signed a 5 year deal averaging something like $10.5 mil/year. Assuming that starts at maybe $9 mil/year (I don't see a firm number anywhere), that is $3 mil the first year (incl. lux tax) and the difference widens greatly thereafter. Could be enough.
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AriesMar27
Guest
that would be my reason for doing it. by the end of the deal its less than a mle contract. any other player that they get will cost them more money even if its a mle deal because they all increase every year. moneywise nocioni is their best option, besides trading for a real pf that is. but what starting pf can they get for 7 million that wont cost 8 million next year? instead they get a sf/pf who costs 7 this year and 6 million next year.... and 5 after that. maybe they can trade for oberto and he would be a expiring this year. he would be the only player that i can think of unless he's already been waived. maybe scola....
i dunno. it would be a waste since all they can use is the mle. can they use part of the tpe in a trade? they could use it to trade for some of minny's useless, undersized bigs... darius, craig smith, madsen.... if they want kenny thomas they can have him.... thomas and brockman for their tpe.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Yes, you can use just part of the TPE. The only thing you can't do is combine it with the MLE as part of a trade. I'm not sure why you would want to trade KT and Brockman for the TPE. First off, I'd like to see what Brockman can do. Secondly, if you don't want Brockman on the team, simply don't sign him. I believe that in KT's case, its a dollar for dollar where the TPE is concerned. So basicly all we would be doing is saving money now. Which is OK.. I'm just not sure why Orlando would do it.
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Keep Noc
Just a thought...Have Noc go in and have them take 1/10 of his heart out and transplant it into Hawes. Then we might have a pretty damn good center.
Nocioni does have a lot of heart. Lord knows the Kings are in short supply of players with heart and experience. If we had to get rid of one or the other, I say get rid of Garcia.
Just a thought...Have Noc go in and have them take 1/10 of his heart out and transplant it into Hawes. Then we might have a pretty damn good center.
sidney
Starter
Nocioni to Utah for Harpring/Fesenko is still my favorite potential deal but who knows if they take that.
You'd hope to get something beyond an expiring contract for him but I would take it if nothing else emerges. A down year on a bad team + another year older could make him very tough to move next year.
He's grumbled more than once since getting to Sac. He's an intense guy that wants to play hard and win and if he's not winning (which he won't be) he may be more of a problem that a help.
You'd hope to get something beyond an expiring contract for him but I would take it if nothing else emerges. A down year on a bad team + another year older could make him very tough to move next year.
He's grumbled more than once since getting to Sac. He's an intense guy that wants to play hard and win and if he's not winning (which he won't be) he may be more of a problem that a help.
I've contended since we got him that Nocioni is a good guy to have on a team that is in contention. He'd fit well with the Celtics, the Spurs, the Suns, the Cavs, the Magic, etc. Not the lowly, rebuilding teams that are two or three pieces away from being a contender. Further compounding that is the fact that we're paying him $7 million a year, tying up a lot of cap space.
I'm not arguing that he's a bad player, or a cancer, or that he can't help us. I don't think any of those things are true. He's just not the player that we need at this stage of our development. I think he should be on the block, but not just for the sake of moving him. I'd co-sign to the OP's deal, but I don't think anyone would give up that much for Noc.
I'm not arguing that he's a bad player, or a cancer, or that he can't help us. I don't think any of those things are true. He's just not the player that we need at this stage of our development. I think he should be on the block, but not just for the sake of moving him. I'd co-sign to the OP's deal, but I don't think anyone would give up that much for Noc.
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