Next Kings coach : list

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I made a list of potential kings new head coaches.
Just want to share it.
I'll edit it if new candidates are mentioned.


Former NBA coaches
  • Avery Johnson
    (DAL) 4 seasons : 194-70, 4 Playoffs : 23-24

  • Eddie Jordan - Hired by Sixers
    (SAC, WAS) 8 seasons : 230-288, 4 Playoffs : 8-18

  • Mike Fratello
    (ATL, CLE, MEM) 17 seasons : 667-548, 11 Playoffs : 20-42

  • Del Harris
    (HOU, MIL, LAL) 14 seaons 556-457, 11 Playoffs : 38-50

  • Bernie Bickerstaff
    (SEA, DEN, WAS, CHA) 14 seasons : 414-512, 5 Playoffs : 12-21

  • Sam Mitchell
    (TOR) 5 seasons : 156-189, 2 Playoffs : 3-8

  • Terry Porter
    (MIL, PHO) 3 seasons : 99-116, 1 Playoffs : 1-4

  • Jeff Van Gundy
    (NYK, HOU) 11 seasons : 430-318, 9 Playoffs : 44-44

  • Paul Silas
    (LAC, NOH, CLE) 10 seasons 355-400, 4 Playoffs : 13-16

  • P.J. Carlesimo
    (POR, GSW, SEA/OKC) 8 seasons : 204-296, 3 Playoffs : 3-9

  • Kurt Rambis
    (LAL) 1 season : 24-13, 1 Playoff : 3-5

  • Dwane Casey
    (MIN) 2 seasons : 53-69, 0 Playoff

  • Maurice Cheeks
    (POR, PHI) 8 seasons : 284-286, 3 Playoffs : 5-11

  • Paul Westphal
    (PHO, SEA) 7 seasons : 267-159, 4 Playoffs : 27-22

  • Lon Kruger
    (ATL) 3 seasons : 69-122, 0 Playoff

  • Dave Cowens
    (BOS, CHA, GSW) 6 seasons : 161-191, 2 Playoffs : 4-8

  • Rick Pitino
    (NYK, BOS) 6 seasons : 192-220, 2 Playoffs : 6-7


NBA assistant coaches

  • Tom Thibodeau (Boston)

  • Jeff Ruland (Philadelphia)

  • Brian Shaw (LA Lakers)

  • Mario Elie (Dallas)

  • Mike Budenholzer (San Antonio)

  • Kelvin Sampson (Milwaukee)

  • Elston Turner (Houston)


Others

  • John Whisenant (WNBA)

  • Bill Laimbeer (WNBA)

  • Ettore Messina (Euro)
    12 last Euroleague seasons with 3 different teams : 9 finals, 4 titles

  • David Blatt (Euro)
    Current coach of Dynamo Moscow, won Eurobasket 2007 with Russia National Team

 
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I like Thibodeau, Shaw.

Of the experienced coaches, I like Jordan and Johnson, though both a bound a little tight.

My pick for grooming for the future: Randy Livingston, seriously. Dude is already a player coach and is highly regarded amongst his peers.
 
For the heck of it:

I say take a gamble and go Lambeer. if he can't instill some toughness, nobody can.

Otherwise I like Brian Shaw on a gut level, no rational reason other than he coached the magic back in the Shaq/Penny days.
 
Why not Ettore? I think he's more than qualified, almost a legend even. Here's something I pulled off a Rap's board:

"Manu Ginobli, Andrea Bargnani and Rasho Nesterovic have all put forth their endorsements for Messina to come overseas, with the latter even saying he would welcome a move back to Toronto if that's where Messina lands. And some American coaches, like Cavs coach Mike Brown, have attended Messina's seminars and read his books to improve their own coaching."

Supposedly from their newspaper. It says something when the coach of the best team in the NBA is taking lessons from the guy. Plus it would bring more publicity and an incentive for foreign players to come to our team. If we draft Rubio, then I'd think he'd feel more comfortable with a coach that's been where he's been. Furthermore, HE IS A WINNER, and I know some of you may dislike his Euroleague credentials, but I think that is an advantage. He knows how to instill toughness and passion.

I'm totally on board with this guy, and he is totally attainable. More so than some other coaches, and I sincerely hope Petrie likes what he saw when/if they met/meet.
 
^^^I like it.

It fits the Kings heritage (Vlade, Hedo, Peja), and makes sense, especially if we get Rubio. I'm in. I like the feel of this idea better than Drafting Griffin and taking an NBA re-tread. It's exciting to me.
 
Don't forget, there's still an outside chance of landing Hedo in FA. Many of you don't like it, but theres still that possibility. Us having Ettore could affect that in some way.
 
Avery, because he is a pg. we have SAR doing the big men thing and we need someone who can do the pg thing. Avery would cost a little more than one would like, but he is probably the most qualified at coaching and evaluating in a meaningful way.
 
Dustinlikestodance said:
Why not Ettore? I think he's more than qualified, almost a legend even. Here's something I pulled off a Rap's board:

"Manu Ginobli, Andrea Bargnani and Rasho Nesterovic have all put forth their endorsements for Messina to come overseas, with the latter even saying he would welcome a move back to Toronto if that's where Messina lands. And some American coaches, like Cavs coach Mike Brown, have attended Messina's seminars and read his books to improve their own coaching."

Supposedly from their newspaper. It says something when the coach of the best team in the NBA is taking lessons from the guy. Plus it would bring more publicity and an incentive for foreign players to come to our team. If we draft Rubio, then I'd think he'd feel more comfortable with a coach that's been where he's been. Furthermore, HE IS A WINNER, and I know some of you may dislike his Euroleague credentials, but I think that is an advantage. He knows how to instill toughness and passion.

I'm totally on board with this guy, and he is totally attainable. More so than some other coaches, and I sincerely hope Petrie likes what he saw when/if they met/meet.
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The problem with any Euro coach, other than the adjustment to the rules/style/pace/lngth of the season, is the question of whether the players will buy in or not. Many people get confused about NBA coaching and think its about Xs and Os or being a tough guy or whatever -- its not. Its an ego management position. An NBA coach is in an untenable positon -- he walks onto the practice court as the poorest and least powerful man in the gym, and yet somehow he has to convince the elite egomaniacs assembled before him -- who have been told they are special since they were 10 years old and are getting the millions to prove it -- that they should do what he wants them to do for the sake of the team. That's not about Xs and Os. Its about getting guys to buy in.

I have no doubt Ettore can coach. I have no doubt the elite college guys can coach either. But the question with outsiders coming into the league is do they have legitimacy? Can they get their players to listen to them? When a guy is a legendary type coach in Europe, has all that legitimacy, has more power and prestige than his players, and then comes to the NBA to discover he's a nothing as far as these players are concerend, how does he respond? We might have the advantage of having nowhere to go but up -- maybe whoever's on the team next year might be willing to give it a shot because hey, nothing to lose right? But its also true that in a tough situation like ours, any perceived weakness or flaw in the coach is going to become magnified. If we are winning, then guys buy in because we're winning. But if we are losing, then guys are going to look for reasons why, question the coaching, ask if he knows what he is doing etc. and seize upon his lack of NBA background as an excuse to challenge his legitimacy. I do not know enough about Ettore to know if he can meet those challenges, but they are the real barrier to coaches outside the sytem.

Its an interesting idea, a coach with a major winning pedigree rather than a retread. But it could easily go very wrong and result in a mess.
 
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Bricklayer said:
The problem with any Euro coach, other than the adjustment to the rules/style/pace/lngth of the season, is the question of whether the players will buy in or not. Many people get confused about NBA coaching and think its about Xs and Os or being a tough guy or whatever -- its not. Its an ego management position. An NBA coach is in an untenable positon -- he walks onto the practice court as the poorest and least powerful man in the gym, and yet somehow he has to convince the elite egomaniacs assembled before him -- who have been told they are special since they were 10 years old and are getting the millions to prove it -- that they should do what he wants them to do for the sake of the team. That's not about Xs and Os. Its about getting guys to buy in.

I have no doubt Ettore can coach. I have no doubt the elite college guys can coach either. But the question with outsiders coming into the league is do they have legitimacy? Can they get their players to listen to them? When a guy is a legendary type coach in Europe, has all that legitimacy, has more power and prestige than his players, and then comes to the NBA to discover he's a nothing as far as these players are concerend, how does he respond? We might have the advantage of having nowhere to go but up -- maybe whoever's on the team next year might be willing to give it a shot because hey, nothing to lose right? But its also true that in a tough situation like ours, any perceived weakness or flaw in the coach is going to become magnified. If we are winning, then guys buy in because we're winning. But if we are losing, then guys are going to look for reasons why, question the coaching, ask if he knows what he is doing etc. and seize upon his lack of NBA background as an excuse to challenge his legitimacy. I do not know enough about Ettore to know if he can meet those challenges, but they are the real barrier to coaches outside the sytem.

Its an interesting idea, a coach with a major winning pedigree rather than a retread. But it could easily go very wrong and result in a mess.
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I would say he'd probably have a better shot of making it on a team like the Kings, that has mostly young players on it. JT is one year removed from college as is Greene. Hawes just two. We'll have potentially three new young players from the draft. Cisco and Martin appear to be good character guys.

In other words. No Zack Randolphs or Sprewells on the team. At least that we know of. I would think that Beno would welcome him. Who knows? Maybe it would even entice Rubio to throw his hat into the ring.
 
Totally against the assistant coach route this time after 3 gambles (and 3 failures). Need a guy that gets respect immediately that the players will also know will be around for 2-3 years minimum.

I want a guy with experience that has gotten his team to the playoffs

Avery first, then I suppose the next tier would be Eddie Jordan or Jeff Van Gundy. At least they are real NBA coaches.
 
I like Jeff Van Gundy. To me, he's clearly the best out of the proven veteran coaches. His teams have always been good defensively, if you take this years Kings team with the exact same talent level, and add in a little defense, their record would be dramatically better.
 
I didn't realize JVG has such a successful career. 9 Playoff appearances in 11 yrs with a .500 winning percentage. Matched up with the right offensive minded lead assistant coach, and a 4 yr deal could be very promising.

Griffin, Holiday or Maynor, & JVG + coachie= winner to me.
 
HighTopKicks said:
I didn't realize JVG has such a successful career. 9 Playoff appearances in 11 yrs with a .500 winning percentage. Matched up with the right offensive minded lead assistant coach, and a 4 yr deal could be very promising.

Griffin, Holiday or Maynor, & JVG + coachie= winner to me.
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Only thing about JVG...if we draft Rubio I just have a hard time seeing an offensively creative PG mesh with JVG's methodical style.

Rubio will try one of those around the back pass fakes and I think Jeff's head might explode :D
 
I doubt any experienced NBA coach with a good tracking record would consider Kings. If we try and hold onto one but on the last minute lose him, we end up with another Theus.

Hopefully the #1-#2 pick would get us a decent coach.

But anyway, worst case I'm voting for that Euro coach. It's not like we got a system that a he might screwed up.
 
Bricklayer said:
The problem with any Euro coach, other than the adjustment to the rules/style/pace/lngth of the season, is the question of whether the players will buy in or not. Many people get confused about NBA coaching and think its about Xs and Os or being a tough guy or whatever -- its not. Its an ego management position. An NBA coach is in an untenable positon -- he walks onto the practice court as the poorest and least powerful man in the gym, and yet somehow he has to convince the elite egomaniacs assembled before him -- who have been told they are special since they were 10 years old and are getting the millions to prove it -- that they should do what he wants them to do for the sake of the team. That's not about Xs and Os. Its about getting guys to buy in.

I have no doubt Ettore can coach. I have no doubt the elite college guys can coach either. But the question with outsiders coming into the league is do they have legitimacy? Can they get their players to listen to them? When a guy is a legendary type coach in Europe, has all that legitimacy, has more power and prestige than his players, and then comes to the NBA to discover he's a nothing as far as these players are concerend, how does he respond? We might have the advantage of having nowhere to go but up -- maybe whoever's on the team next year might be willing to give it a shot because hey, nothing to lose right? But its also true that in a tough situation like ours, any perceived weakness or flaw in the coach is going to become magnified. If we are winning, then guys buy in because we're winning. But if we are losing, then guys are going to look for reasons why, question the coaching, ask if he knows what he is doing etc. and seize upon his lack of NBA background as an excuse to challenge his legitimacy. I do not know enough about Ettore to know if he can meet those challenges, but they are the real barrier to coaches outside the sytem.

Its an interesting idea, a coach with a major winning pedigree rather than a retread. But it could easily go very wrong and result in a mess.
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I agree 100%. This is why I don't want a college coach or WNBA coach. NBA experience may not guarentee success, but not having any is 99% guarenteeing failure. Now if he wanted to be the lead assistant to our next coach, that would be an ideal situation.
 
Sptsjunkie said:
I agree 100%. This is why I don't want a college coach or WNBA coach. NBA experience may not guarentee success, but not having any is 99% guarenteeing failure. Now if he wanted to be the lead assistant to our next coach, that would be an ideal situation.
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What's interesting is that SI (albeit 2 years ago) had an interview with Ettore. This is something he said about the differences in coaching:

"The season is different, the habits are different, even the basketball terminology is different in the Euroleague than it is in the NBA,'' Messina said. "There could be different ways to imagine the process of adjustment should a foreign coach come to the NBA -- it may be as an assistant for some time. I do not have a problem recognizing that an adjustment should be made.''

Seems like a very intelligent answer, and I can see how it could work in our favor if we land him as an assistant coach. This gives us the flexibility to get a proven coach for a smaller amount of time while Ettore is learning the ropes, while at the same time building respect within the organization. The best situation would require that we get a head coach that is open to new ideas, as I believe Ettore will have quite a few that he would like to see implemented. This gives us even MORE flexibility. Once the current HC's contract is done, we can see where we stand. We have the ability to let him walk or let him take over, and if he does, his system won't be too different given that he has put his mark on the O and D game.

This is purely hypothetical of course, but again, very attainable. Pretty high character coach as well. Doesn't like to be out in the spotlight too much and knows when to give or take.

BTW Bricklayer, I totally understand your concerns, as they are, and still are concerns of mine as well. But honestly, what have we got to lose. The last Italian coach did pretty well for himself anyways:D ( D' Antoni). I just think we have to have that shakeup, ESPECIALLY if Rubio is coming out. We just need a change of direction and I'd gladly take that risk, because as far as pedigrees go, Ettore is as legit as it gets. Euroleague or not.

And JVG will not be a good fit if we draft Griffin or Rubio. Both need a lot of freedom to work with the offense, Rubio with his creativity and Griffin would need a lot of open space for his drives. Just my 2 cents.
 
Dustinlikestodance said:
What's interesting is that SI (albeit 2 years ago) had an interview with Ettore. This is something he said about the differences in coaching:

"The season is different, the habits are different, even the basketball terminology is different in the Euroleague than it is in the NBA,'' Messina said. "There could be different ways to imagine the process of adjustment should a foreign coach come to the NBA -- it may be as an assistant for some time. I do not have a problem recognizing that an adjustment should be made.''

Seems like a very intelligent answer, and I can see how it could work in our favor if we land him as an assistant coach. This gives us the flexibility to get a proven coach for a smaller amount of time while Ettore is learning the ropes, while at the same time building respect within the organization. The best situation would require that we get a head coach that is open to new ideas, as I believe Ettore will have quite a few that he would like to see implemented. This gives us even MORE flexibility. Once the current HC's contract is done, we can see where we stand. We have the ability to let him walk or let him take over, and if he does, his system won't be too different given that he has put his mark on the O and D game.

This is purely hypothetical of course, but again, very attainable. Pretty high character coach as well. Doesn't like to be out in the spotlight too much and knows when to give or take.

BTW Bricklayer, I totally understand your concerns, as they are, and still are concerns of mine as well. But honestly, what have we got to lose. The last Italian coach did pretty well for himself anyways:D ( D' Antoni). I just think we have to have that shakeup, ESPECIALLY if Rubio is coming out. We just need a change of direction and I'd gladly take that risk, because as far as pedigrees go, Ettore is as legit as it gets. Euroleague or not.

And JVG will not be a good fit if we draft Griffin or Rubio. Both need a lot of freedom to work with the offense, Rubio with his creativity and Griffin would need a lot of open space for his drives. Just my 2 cents.
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I agree with a lot of this. If Ettore would be an assistant to Eddie Jordan, JVG, Shaw, etc. than I would love to have him here. If we can get a solid HC with Ettore and Carril, we would be off to a good start for our young team.
 
Sptsjunkie said:
I agree with a lot of this. If Ettore would be an assistant to Eddie Jordan, JVG, Shaw, etc. than I would love to have him here. If we can get a solid HC with Ettore and Carril, we would be off to a good start for our young team.
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Interesting concept. It certainly would give the press something to analyze and criticize on a regular basis. To bring in Ettore as an assistant with the idea of eventually making him the head coach sounds good on paper, but what head coach would sign a contract knowing that the handwriting is on the wall? If your Eddie Jordan or Van Gundy, would you sign on to that senario? I wouldn't!

The only way this would work would be to retain Natt, or bring in J. W. for a year. Sounds like a big mess to me, and I'm sure it would sound the same to ESPN. If you want Ettore as your head coach, then you sign him as your head coach, and then surround him with good assistants to help him adjust. You give him a four year contract, so the players know he's going to be around for a while, and you let it be known that management is 100% behind him.

If he's as smart as you say, he'll be fine. All the players respect Carrill. Why? Because he knows more than they do, and he's a good teacher. Coachie may look like a nice pleasant old man, but he's a tough SOB who tells it like it is. Bricky's right when he says there's more than X's and O's to being a head coach. Taking a course in psychiatry should be mandatory.
 
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Dustinlikestodance said:
And JVG will not be a good fit if we draft Griffin or Rubio. Both need a lot of freedom to work with the offense, Rubio with his creativity and Griffin would need a lot of open space for his drives. Just my 2 cents.
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Exactly my thought. JVG likes to play solely in the 1/2 court offense and his offense is boring as you know what. I'm excited to have a lot of good young players next year. Let's not stunt them with JVG.
 
Rose2Thomas said:
I like Jeff Van Gundy. To me, he's clearly the best out of the proven veteran coaches. His teams have always been good defensively, if you take this years Kings team with the exact same talent level, and add in a little defense, their record would be dramatically better.
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^^^^
 
I just find it amazing that people suggest Ettore to be an assistant coach to one of the the unproven or underwhelming ex-NBA coach! Do you guys realise just how juvenile this sounds?! He is a proven coach, a bloody good coach that will most likely be in the Basketball Hall of Fame and you want him to be an assistant to someone who he can outcoach every day of the week and twice on sundays with his eyes closed!

Just laughable really!
 
6th said:
Exactly my thought. JVG likes to play solely in the 1/2 court offense and his offense is boring as you know what. I'm excited to have a lot of good young players next year. Let's not stunt them with JVG.
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JVG is a funny guy and well respected. Unfortuneately, he signed a 5 yr deal with ESPN, so he might not be available anyways.

I don't know what kind of offense JVG would run with this Kings team, but he made NY & Houston into a top 5 defensive team and took them to the playoffs almost every yr. I guess what I'm saying is he been out of coaching for 2 yrs and no one knows for sure whether he would run the same offense now. But, if he could come in here and teach our youth to play defense, I'd watch it. It's amazing how much fun any offense is when it's winning.
 
My list:

1a. Messina
1b. Jordan
3. VanGundy
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RUNNER-UP:
Shaw

At this stage, especially if we take Rubio, an up-tempo offense with a European-flavored coach would be something I would be interested in. Not that Tom Thibodeau, Elie, Saunders, and the others aren't exceptional coaches, I just think after this season especially, a little fun with an unconventional pick (especially with so much money owed to our past three coaches) would be something.
 
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