Nets open to trading Williams, Lopez, and Johnson
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Big Cuz 15
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On February 20, 2002, the Celtics traded Joe Johnson, Randy Brown, and Milt Palacio to the Phoenix Suns in exchange for Tony Delk and Rodney Rodgers.
a young joe johnson for tony freaking delk and rodney rogers. hindsight would you do that trade again?
a young joe johnson for tony freaking delk and rodney rogers. hindsight would you do that trade again?
WTF!!!! He's missed most of 2 of the last 3!!! And he's injured again. I don't care how healthy he was 4 years ago.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
nets:
incoming: greg monroe, derrick williams
outgoing: lopez, ak47
sac: ak47 nets 1st pick
outgoing: trade exception, derrick williams
pistons:
in: lopez
out: greg monroe
yeah we're not getting lopez in this trade but if the nets continue on their path we might get a lotto pick. lopez is risky imo bc of his health. not sure if this is doable w/ the trade exception.
incoming: greg monroe, derrick williams
outgoing: lopez, ak47
sac: ak47 nets 1st pick
outgoing: trade exception, derrick williams
pistons:
in: lopez
out: greg monroe
yeah we're not getting lopez in this trade but if the nets continue on their path we might get a lotto pick. lopez is risky imo bc of his health. not sure if this is doable w/ the trade exception.
LPKingsFan
All-Star
If the Nets are tearing things down by trading the likes of Lopez et al, why would they trade their pick? The pick would be the last to go (and may have already been dealt to Boston?)
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
The difference is that Lopez is no roleplayer. Healthy, he's a borderline All Star. He's Rik Smits, he's Bill Cartwright, he's Big Z. The health is the gamble here, not the talent. Takentwise you're trading for a 20ppg big man. Its nearly impossible for anythign we have to give up for that to be worth signifciantly more. He's flawed and soft to be a franchise center, but on a team that already has one? Healthy that would be a devastating 1-2 punch inside, best the league has seen in a decade.
Its just the health.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
The Nets notoriously have no picks, like ever. Billy King has destroyed them in almost parody fashion. I believe they don't have full control of their first round pick until 2019. Two are traded, and the other two are on "right to swap" deals with good teams And I think they only have 1 2nd rounder left over that span too. I've never seen anything like it. Its largely what the Stepien rule was designed to prevent, but King found a way around it (no doubt at the behest of the impatient Russian oligarch who thought he could just buy an NBA title).
Anyway, that's why the Nets say they aren't going to rebuild -- they physically cannot They will literally gain no benefit of being bad for another 4 years, so they have to try to waddle on and do what they can to acquire young assets other ways. That's also why if they are truly moving on from Lopez a young lottery pick SG might appeal. Its the only way they can acquire young talent for years.
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notoriousBEN3
Bench
What about Jarrett Jack? I know he wasn't mentioned as being available but i'd imagine pretty much everyone is available on that roster...
He still doesn't help with the need for 3pt shooters, but he would be an upgrade over sessions. Him and Landry were awesome coming off of the bench a couple of years back when they were both playing on a Warriors team under Malone as an asst. coach. I don't know who we would trade though, but preferably something involving Sessions...
He still doesn't help with the need for 3pt shooters, but he would be an upgrade over sessions. Him and Landry were awesome coming off of the bench a couple of years back when they were both playing on a Warriors team under Malone as an asst. coach. I don't know who we would trade though, but preferably something involving Sessions...
Peter_Gibbons
Starter
We don't want Lopez, he is too injury prone. It only gets worse for big men.
I played around with the idea of Dwill and JJ last night when I first saw the news. But then I saw their salary numbers. It's not worth it unless we are involved as a third team facilitator that gets a nice pick up because of salary caps.
I played around with the idea of Dwill and JJ last night when I first saw the news. But then I saw their salary numbers. It's not worth it unless we are involved as a third team facilitator that gets a nice pick up because of salary caps.
Dude, he's injured RIGHT NOW! And here's the write-up from Yahoo fantasy:
His recent past as far as injuries is not encouraging. The fact it's now a back problem is very troubling.
itzcoatl
Bench
It's hard to say what the issue is without speaking to his doctors or seeing any of the radiologic reports (MRI). The reports I have seen have diagnosed him with a sprain. If there had been a more serious injury that required,say, surgery it likely would have been on the MRI report. Since there wasn't any report of an anatomical problem requiring any procedure, his sprain will likely be managed with conservative care, I would think. It could linger for a few months but there's nothing I have seen to indicate that it is any more serious than that.
Sac.Kings
All-Star
Three years ago, I would have been all over Lopez, and credit to his talent level, I still have to think about it if he were offered in a trade. You just never trade for damaged goods, and as good a player as he is, in recent history he has watched games from the bench almost as much as he has played in them (might even be the other way around for all I know). Just can't do it, but I still think about it because Lopez and Cousins would make quite the formidable duo... which only works if both are playing.
Detroit is ripe for picking... at this point I would think a significant part of the team is available for trade. Drummond for me! Al Horford would be a great fit too, if Atlanta is willing to take back our garbage (at this point, quite a large if, although D-Will's expiring could be somewhat enticing).
Detroit is ripe for picking... at this point I would think a significant part of the team is available for trade. Drummond for me! Al Horford would be a great fit too, if Atlanta is willing to take back our garbage (at this point, quite a large if, although D-Will's expiring could be somewhat enticing).
Peja's back problem was called a sprain at first, too... Just sayin'
K
KingMilz
Guest
If Kevin Garrnet agreed to not use his no trade clause I would offer the Nets Williams/Landry for one year of KG, for 15-20 mins a game he can still move on defense and hit the mid range (I'm also fairly certain him and Reggie are great mates as well). Plus the leadership/knowledge he could drop on Cuz for half a season would be nice. I still think KG has one year left in him after this one if he only plays 15-20mins a game and at worst we move on Landry's contract. He's putting up 7points and 8 boards atm plus all the intangibles.
But I doubt even if we are a better team than the Nets he would come here since they will probably make the playoffs with a worse record than us. This is all assuming we can't get someone younger/better which I seriously doubt we can. A lot of other teams cause offer something much better than Landry/Williams to get some of the players we are talking about.
But I doubt even if we are a better team than the Nets he would come here since they will probably make the playoffs with a worse record than us. This is all assuming we can't get someone younger/better which I seriously doubt we can. A lot of other teams cause offer something much better than Landry/Williams to get some of the players we are talking about.
macadocious
Starter
Welp, after tonight it's almost a certainty we go after him.
randymoss1881
Starter
They can't be that stupid dude was averaging 8ppg-5apg before today.
randymoss1881
Starter
I take it back our prized target Plumlee is only getting 8mpg looks like Young took all his minuets. Watch then trade Collison/landry for DWill/Plumlee
And which "him" are you referring to? Sometimes it's much easier to start a new thread than bring up an old one.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
You just called Nik an asset. Half the teams in the league would probably just leave him sitting on the curb if you drove up and dropped him off right in front of their arenas for free. Well not free, he's got the contract of a lottery player. The production thus far of a Euro player.
Meanwhile Brook is dominating an East "All Star", dubious as that distinction may have been.
My post was from December when nik was a rookie two months in and Lopez was once again injured.
KingsCitizen
Starter
I don't mind this at all. Williams could turn into something like what happen to Pau Gasol in Chicago. DMC > Lopez and Rudy > JJ
Or Kings could get this year version of him, and be stuck with his monstrous contract for next 2 years, or maybe someone thinks he will exercise his 16/17 ETO? Rudy looked bad, because he was asked to be #1 option with #2 option operating in almost the same way. Williams is playing bad, when he can't move, and does well as #1a/#1b option, when he feels ok, so you're either getting barely any production from your $20 million, or have Boogie, Rudy and D-Will competing for the ball.
And once again Kings main problems were on defensive end, and now people want to get rid of Kings' best perimeter defender for a guy, that barely moves half the time!
And once again Kings main problems were on defensive end, and now people want to get rid of Kings' best perimeter defender for a guy, that barely moves half the time!
randymoss1881
Starter
There's a difference between misused and washed up. Jazz Williams ain't walking through that door
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Put yourself in the Nets position. Who, at this point in time, would you want, Nik or Ben? Logic tells you they would want Ben. No matter what I or you, or anyone one here thinks of Nik's future potential, Ben has moved closer to his potential becoming a reality. To say he's untouchable is more than a bit of a stretch. To my mind, there's only one untouchable player on the Kings, and if New Orleans were to offer me Anthony Davis, and Tyreke Evans and a first round pick for Cousins, I'd seriously have to consider it. Of course that's not going to happen. The Net's are going to want Ben in that deal, and I don't blame them. Lopez is a very good player, when healthy.
Of course his health has to be taken into consideration, and the fact that he could just walk after this coming season, and the remote possibility that he wouldn't even play for you next season since he as a player option on next season. Now I highly doubt he'll walk away from an owed 16 mil, but there's no guarantee he won't. Health wise, he's only played in 168 of a possible 328 games the last four years. So he's missed the equivalent of two entire seasons.
Actually, Brook can't even be traded right now because of that player option. He'd have to opt in to that (presumably June 30th) in order for a trade to be done, and then there would be a whole year, at which point he could walk. (The post you're responding to is from December, so the timeline has definitely changed since then.)
Whether a trade for Lopez would be a good call, I don't know. He's good when healthy, as you say, but that health is a question mark. Furthermore he has demonstrated that when he's put next to a good rebounder (e.g. KHump) that his rebounding takes an inordinate hit. And he's not the defender we need. Now his brother, on the other hand...
Dime Dropper
All-Star
His production is nowhere near close to that of Ginobili, Diaw, Parker, Deng, Giannis, Dragic, Rubio etc etc etc. It's far closer to guys like Johnny Flynn, Aminu, Jeremy Lamb, Adam Morrison and a bunch of other Americans.
See what I did there?
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Ah, I missed that it came before the zombie thread divide.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Yeah, I should have looked at the date on the post. Not the first time I've made that mistake. But hey, nothing like living in the past.
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