NBA Summer League 2014 in Las Vegas

sdballer said:
If we have him under contract as a Sacramento King, who has been sent down to Reno. Anyone else on the Bighorns is fair game.
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If that's true, why did Vivek buy the Bighorns? Or am I wrong about that? Do the players have a contract with someone other than the owner of the Bighorns? If I am completely off base, at least let's try to get him assuming he continues to look good. We also have the rights to the guy we got in the IT trade. Maybe we DO have a full set of 8 PFs. :)
 
pshn80 said:
Next game for the Kings? Tuesday, Wednesday? ? ?
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It has not been determined yet. It is either Wednesday or Thursday, depending on the results of tomorrow's games. If we end up in the top 8 of the summer league, we will get a bye for Wednesday and play Thursday. If not we will play Wednesday.

As it stands, the Knicks and Cavs have already earned a bye, so there are 6 left. If Chicago wins even one quarter against a bad Minnesota team tomorrow or loses by less than 38 points, they clinch a spot, so we'll say 5 left. The Pelicans have already beaten us on point differential (we are +5). Four spots left.

There are only six other teams outstanding that we have not secured a better record than:

Washington: Beat us by winning against Miami OR losing against Miami by 1 or 2 points but having a higher score in three quarters
Miami: Beat us by winning against Washington AND having a higher score than Washington in at least three quarters
At most one of these two scenarios can happen.

Phoenix: Beat us by winning against Philadelphia AND having a higher score than Philadelphia in at least three quarters and tie/win a fourth
Philadelphia: Beat us by winning against Phoenix AND having a higher score than Phoenix in all four quarters AND win by at least 11 points
At most one of these two scenarios can happen, but both are unlikely.

Utah: Beat us by winning against Denver AND having a higher score than Denver in at least three quarters

Portland: Beat us by winning against Atlanta AND having a higher score than Atlanta in at least three quarters
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It looks to me like it is most likely we will get a bye and play on Thursday. Even if Washington/Miami, Utah, and Portland come through, there's still the fact that one of Phoenix/Philly have to score the unlikely sweep against each other to boot us out of the final top-8 spot.
 
Glenn said:
If that's true, why did Vivek buy the Bighorns? Or am I wrong about that? Do the players have a contract with someone other than the owner of the Bighorns? If I am completely off base, at least let's try to get him assuming he continues to look good. We also have the rights to the guy we got in the IT trade. Maybe we DO have a full set of 8 PFs. :)
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So currently the D-League does not work like the baseball minor league system.
This is something which really does need to change in the next 10 years or so.

In order for it to change each professional team is going to have to have complete control of a D-League team. (Which currently isn't the case)

So except in the rare situation of a player who has a signed contract with a professional team that then sent that player down to the D-League, all other D-League players are fair game to any professional team.

So we could sign Moreland to a contract with Reno, but if Orlando decided they wanted to sign him there isn't anything we could do to stop them. I'm sure that if they offered him a contract we might have the opportunity to clear a roster spot (if needed) and sign him and he could decide where he wanted to go, but that would be the extent of it.
 
Uncia03 said:
So currently the D-League does not work like the baseball minor league system.
This is something which really does need to change in the next 10 years or so.

In order for it to change each professional team is going to have to have complete control of a D-League team. (Which currently isn't the case)

So except in the rare situation of a player who has a signed contract with a professional team that then sent that player down to the D-League, all other D-League players are fair game to any professional team.

So we could sign Moreland to a contract with Reno, but if Orlando decided they wanted to sign him there isn't anything we could do to stop them. I'm sure that if they offered him a contract we might have the opportunity to clear a roster spot (if needed) and sign him and he could decide where he wanted to go, but that would be the extent of it.
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That will never happen. Why would we have 30 D-League teams? The best case scenario is to have 3-4 teams split D-League teams. They won't necessarily get to learn the offense of each team, but they will have 3-5 D-league players.

It isn't optimal, but there is no way when we have rosters of 13 players in NBA that they are going to spend time and money developing another 12-15 players with the hopes one makes it to the bottom of the bench.
 
macadocious said:
That will never happen. Why would we have 30 D-League teams? The best case scenario is to have 3-4 teams split D-League teams. They won't necessarily get to learn the offense of each team, but they will have 3-5 D-league players.

It isn't optimal, but there is no way when we have rosters of 13 players in NBA that they are going to spend time and money developing another 12-15 players with the hopes one makes it to the bottom of the bench.
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There are currently 18 D-League teams, and of those 18 teams, 17 of them are either owned or operated by an NBA professional team.

Here are the teams where the NBA team currently owns their D-League team:
San Antonio Spurs
Oklahoma City Thunder
Los Angeles Lakers
Golden State Warriors
New York Knicks
Cleveland Cavaliers
Philedelphia 76ers

Here are the teams where the NBA team is the single affiliate (runs basketball operations) for the local D-League team:
Sacramento Kings
Boston Celtics
Houston Rockets
Miami Heat
Dallas Mavericks
Memphis Grizzlies
Phoenix Suns
Utah Jazz
Orlando Magic
Detroit Pistons

So currently over half the league (if just barely) either owns or operates their D-League club, so we are more than half-way to the point where every NBA team has some sort of stake in a single D-League team.

As an organization the Spurs have been the model franchise and were the 2nd NBA team to actually purchase a D-League team with the Lakers being the first NBA team to do so.

If you're the Spurs, there is a huge advantage to teach/run your system on a minor league team to see if players that you like can actually pick it up and play it the way that you might hope.
To take a current example, it would be great to be able to sign Moreland to the Bighorns and see if he does have what it takes to play the weak-side defender role in the offensive and defensive schemes that your club runs, and if he does he is fast-tracked right onto the Kings team after they clear a roster spot for him. All with-out having to worry that another professional club will scoop him up just as you've finished developing him on your minor-league team.

Developing players in the D-league would mostly be for support/role players. Looking for the 3-and-D players, the shot blockers, the dirty-work players. Players that can both fill the role AND run the offensive/defensive schemes of your professional team.

The NBA would be well suited to modify the entire D-League structure to become a minor league farm system for the professional teams.
I am hoping that something like that is realized in the next 10 years or so.
 
I totally get what you are saying, I just can't see it happening.


Unless D-League gets enough ad and game revenue to at least break even. I can't see the small market teams affording to have their own teams.
 
Uncia03 said:
There are currently 18 D-League teams, and of those 18 teams, 17 of them are either owned or operated by an NBA professional team.

Here are the teams where the NBA team currently owns their D-League team:
San Antonio Spurs
Oklahoma City Thunder
Los Angeles Lakers
Golden State Warriors
New York Knicks
Cleveland Cavaliers
Philedelphia 76ers

Here are the teams where the NBA team is the single affiliate (runs basketball operations) for the local D-League team:
Sacramento Kings
Boston Celtics
Houston Rockets
Miami Heat
Dallas Mavericks
Memphis Grizzlies
Phoenix Suns
Utah Jazz
Orlando Magic
Detroit Pistons

So currently over half the league (if just barely) either owns or operates their D-League club, so we are more than half-way to the point where every NBA team has some sort of stake in a single D-League team.

As an organization the Spurs have been the model franchise and were the 2nd NBA team to actually purchase a D-League team with the Lakers being the first NBA team to do so.

If you're the Spurs, there is a huge advantage to teach/run your system on a minor league team to see if players that you like can actually pick it up and play it the way that you might hope.
To take a current example, it would be great to be able to sign Moreland to the Bighorns and see if he does have what it takes to play the weak-side defender role in the offensive and defensive schemes that your club runs, and if he does he is fast-tracked right onto the Kings team after they clear a roster spot for him. All with-out having to worry that another professional club will scoop him up just as you've finished developing him on your minor-league team.

Developing players in the D-league would mostly be for support/role players. Looking for the 3-and-D players, the shot blockers, the dirty-work players. Players that can both fill the role AND run the offensive/defensive schemes of your professional team.

The NBA would be well suited to modify the entire D-League structure to become a minor league farm system for the professional teams.
I am hoping that something like that is realized in the next 10 years or so.
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The real problem is that baseball (sorry Baja!) is more skill than sport, and takes many years to master. So the minors in baseball actually develop the league's future top players. they are full of major players to be in future years, and it makes them relevant and interesting for those who care, and ties them closely to the Major Leagues. But in basketball, top guys are good enough to contribute, if not actually dominate, almost straight out of high school, the NBA's 'minors" remain largely irrelevant places where maybe you might find a 12th man every few years. Throw in guaranteed rookie contracts making teams too invested in guys like Ben to stash them and develop them, and, well, even if everybody has their own DL team it isn't much of a contributor.
 
Bricklayer said:
The real problem is that baseball (sorry Baja!) is more skill than sport, and takes many years to master. So the minors in baseball actually develop the league's future top players. they are full of major players to be in future years, and it makes them relevant and interesting for those who care, and ties them closely to the Major Leagues. But in basketball, top guys are good enough to contribute, if not actually dominate, almost straight out of high school, the NBA's 'minors" remain largely irrelevant places where maybe you might find a 12th man every few years. Throw in guaranteed rookie contracts making teams too invested in guys like Ben to stash them and develop them, and, well, even if everybody has their own DL team it isn't much of a contributor.
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I agree with you that the D-League isn't a place where stars will be born or discovered.
But when the D-League started up in 2001 there were only 8 teams.
Now there are 18 teams, with all but one having an NBA affiliate.

I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that in 10-15 more years we get up to 30 D-League teams with each one being operated by an NBA franchise, especially if the revenues are going to go up to the degree that some people are projecting in the coming years.
And if we get to that point, then a re-working of the D-League structure to better mimic the baseball league minors makes a lot of sense.

It would be the place for the undrafted & international players to get bidded upon by professional teams to join their organization via their D-League team while providing the professional teams the ownership rights of the players on their D-League team.

NBA teams would have the ability to see if they can find that role player who fits what they are trying to do while also providing a place where their 2nd round picks (and sometimes struggling 1st round picks) can get some much needed playing time.

Remember when we sent Whiteside down to Reno and he basically got no development? That sort of dynamic just doesn't make sense, which is why Vivek wanted control over basketball operations at Reno.

Anyway, I don't see it outside the realm of possibility, and it's something that I'd like to see develop for the NBA.
 
I think we have a very good coaching staff. It's like a couple could take over for Malone if need be.
 
HereWeVivek said:
Yea i'm hoping it's just a Summer League thing because McDermott was like the one guy i did not want the Kings to pick. He's proving me wrong so far
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He's playing in a crowd, that was so familiar in college: 6'8" PFs and 6'6" SFs. And you can't treat him as just another player: close out extra quick on him or don't leave him open at all, forcing dribbling and attack him on offense.
 
Only game on nba tv tomorrow at that time is 1-3:00. Looks like we get tape delay again. My guide doesnt say when we're on.
 
Double checked. Game 45 (our game) airs live at 1pm on nbatv tomorrow.

Not sure if we get 30 mins of pregame, but the guide has it from 1-3. Nbatv schedule says the same
 
Can someone explain why my thread got moved? This seems to be more of general SL convo and my thread was a bit specific and (i thought) worthy of discussion of its own.
 
LPKingsFan said:
That Rudy to Nik play goes just about how you would expect based on Brick's shot charts thread.
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It's funny. That's the first thing I thought about as well when I saw the play. Rudy working from his hot spot (right baseline) and gets into the paint and dishes to a moving Stauskas who ends up at his hot spot (left side three).

It's only SL, but it's nice to see that combination building chemistry.
 
twslam07 said:
It's funny. That's the first thing I thought about as well when I saw the play. Rudy working from his hot spot (right baseline) and gets into the paint and dishes to a moving Stauskas who ends up at his hot spot (left side three).

It's only SL, but it's nice to see that combination building chemistry.
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Also if Cuz is posted up on the left, that play is hard to defend. You have your three best offensive players doing what they do best.
 
Since this thread seems to be a general thread about “all things” Kings Summer League I thought I would ask about one time Kings sightings. I have seen Jon Brockman (Clippers), Tyler Honeycutt (Heat), Donte Green (Nets), and Mateen Cleaves (announcer). Are there any other ex-Kings involved in this year’s Summer League?
 
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