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Groovygreg
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LEE. You’re welcome to stick around.
KingsFanSince85
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I understand the point you’re making here, but it’s a bit of a generalization.
For example PHX has been a sub.500 team for a long while until this current season.
Sometimes it just takes the right player to change the dynamic. Or a couple players to make a better mix.
Point is, it isn’t necessarily bad to keep a few of the core players at higher prices so long as the right ones are kept and the right complimentary players are added.
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Agree! And sometimes you do not even have an other choice. And it also can make sense to have some players for a longer term from an identification perspective.
Telemachus
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I'm guessing about 6'9.
miltonap
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He looked small in the vids I saw tbh
Fun things for me are:
a) two rival cities - this would be like the Lakers having the #2 pick (or getting Doncic, take your pick)
b) Portland fans voted for Oden, so no "you blew the layup"
c) Seattle doesn't have a basketball team anymore
That Portland core of Oden, Aldridge and Roy won something like 75% of the 82 total games they played together over 3 seasons.
Not fun thing here:
I moved to Portland in 2005, the beginning of our final playoffs season.
Portland was hot garbage. I routinely got free tickets WITH FOOD the first two years I was here.
They put together the aforementioned Oden, Aldridge and Roy lineup while we missed the playoffs.
That team imploded.
They put together a new core around Dame that reached the WCF.
All during the same timeframe we have not sniffed a playoff game
Oh yeah, as draft lotto's go that was certainly a fun result. I feel like it was already a poorly guarded secret at that point that the Sonics were moving though. They had no new arena project on the table and fans had uncovered Clay Bennett's filings for trademarks or website urls related to an Oklahoma City basketball franchise. That's how I remember it anyway which kindof tainted the local rivalry angle. But mostly I was just referring to Greg Oden's downward spiral from super-likeable college star playing piano at the ESPYs and joining an exciting new NBA dynasty on the rise to depression, alcoholism, endless surgeries and eventually domestic abuse. Regardless of how well Kevin Durant's NBA career has gone in comparison, it's just a really sad story.
SacTownKid
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He also seems to be playing mostly PF. He was certainly smaller than Papa G. Both get a lot of their height out of their necks as well.
NewArena
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Not if it’s a really good trade. *fingers crossed*
steelevt
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Unless we trade for 2 picks. Get to see 2 player drafted in the first round for the price of 1!
Sources say the Kings are also among the teams with serious interest in Sengün, who recently worked out in Sacramento. His impressive production as a teenager in Turkey will be particularly appealing to analytic-driven front offices, with his age and counting stats likely to model well in the long run. The question here is really how much a post-centric prospect like Sengün is worth in today’s NBA: he’s already a statistical outlier, but only the most dominant interior players justifiably command high-end usage.
– via Jeremy Woo @ Sports Illustrated
– via Jeremy Woo @ Sports Illustrated
Tetsujin
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I love big men but us just standing pat and drafting Sengun and calling it a night would be Vlade drafting Papagiannis despite already having All-Star center Demarcus Cousins and pretty much nobody else already on the roster levels of frustrating.
Dime Dropper
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I am not one to overreact. But I will absolutely riot if we take Trey Murphy III at 9.
Monte, do not do it.
I don't know enough about Sengun but he is at leat considered in our range, unlike Papa G.
Each expert with "sources" seems to say we are after somebody else. Seems like positioning to me.
Dime Dropper
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I would have to strongly disagree, Papagiannis was an awful pick both at the time and in hindsight. Sengun has legit big-time talent even if you don't like the fit. And we definitely don't have a Boogie ahead of him on the depth chart.
I get that it may frustrate you to those levels, but the two scenarios are worlds apart.
Based on these types of comments I'm starting to feel like "analytics" is just a cover word for having no idea what you're doing and thinking a computer will solve that for you. Are the computers somehow unaware that the NBA is now all about running and throwing up three pointers all game long?
I think the point is that it shows a similar disregard for what is working and not working in the modern NBA. Wasting lotto picks on post scoring big men in the era of run and gun midget ball is a bold and reckless way to go about rescuing a franchise which hasn't made the playoffs in well over a decade. We do need big man depth but in particular we need smaller, quicker bigs who can effectively defend on the perimeter. Sengun throwing up monster numbers in an entirely different league isn't really relevant to our situation.
iowamcnabb
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what’s working is the teams with the best players, depth and a little luck win. We are several players away from a championship so we won’t solve all our problems at 9 anyway. We have options. If Sengun is the best player on the board you still have assets to fill out the roster. Buddy looks to be on the move, Bagley apparently has suitors. We have the second round pick and all of our picks moving forward. We will have cap space soon. Lots of opportunities to grab complimentary players.
Tetsujin
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The issue is that the big-time talent he has is mostly at things that don't really succeed in the current NBA environment. Jokic and Embiid are able to be superstars because they've got elite perimeter skills in addition to their post games (and additionally Embiid plays defense like a mofo). While it's not impossible (perhaps its even likely) that Sengun will eventually develop the perimeter skills/offball skillsets necessary to be a star in the NBA, I'm not confident it'll happen in time for him to be able to play well with the two young studs we've already got on our roster.
If we had another pick to grab a guy who'd really help us now in a position of need, I'd be all for nabbing Sengun but if #9 is the only shot we're getting I unfortunately have to say no. It's the same reason I was against us grabbing Poku last year despite him being a really interesting prospect (thankfully Haliburton randomly dropping like a rock removed that from the discussion).
I haven't paid any attention to him. Looks like he's a great shooter but what's he doing averaging 3.4 rebounds at 6'9"?
Dime Dropper
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He has good size, athleticism and is a versatile defender. I don't dislike him, but the dude wasn't near productive enough to go at 9 and it's not like he was a freshman. He's a junior.
I would be fine with him if we had a second 1st rounder but I don't want him at 9, there will be better prospects available.
elshagon
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No way at #9. I'm guessing we're trying out some of these players in case we move back or make a trade. I'm thinking it will be Moody or Wagner if we stay at 9. Kuminga may drop too. If Kuminga drops....?
steelevt
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Guess they want to top the darko pick and go against the status quo
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