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I think this is worth clarifying. Cade might be taller, but I don't know if I'd say he's bigger. Especially when Luka is an expert at using his bulk to dislodge defenders just enough to get a good shot when he's inside the paint.
Right now the swing factor for Cunningham is whether he's able to tighten up his handle and be able to get where he wants on the court. Currently good defenders (even smaller ones like Davion Mitchell) are able to keep him out of the paint and/or force him to help more often than you like to see for a guy that you want as your primary creator.
And right now he isn't able to do what Doncic does and bully smaller defenders.
Right now the swing factor for Cunningham is whether he's able to tighten up his handle and be able to get where he wants on the court. Currently good defenders (even smaller ones like Davion Mitchell) are able to keep him out of the paint and/or force him to help more often than you like to see for a guy that you want as your primary creator.
And right now he isn't able to do what Doncic does and bully smaller defenders.
Yeah, you're right on that end. Cade's size probably shows itself more on the defensive end, where he's probably going to be capable of guarding everyone except for the biggest of big men and fastest guards. On offense, he's definitely had difficulty getting into the paint though I'm still not sure how much of that has been him being weak in that area and how much of it was college defenses generally being stouter in that area than pro ball.
The list of college stars, who had it, but never made it is long. John Wallace, Ed O’bannon, Mateen Cleaves, Tyus Edney…so that’s a tough one for me to agree with.
Having followed Russ from lightly recruited 3 star prospect to NBA stardom, I don’t recall any time when he truly had that it factor in college. His sophmore year, he certainly popped athletically (not what he is now, but his athleticism jumped a few levels), but Howland rarely featured him. Collison was the primary ball handler, Love was the star his soph year, Affalo the star his fresh year, and…
Still think Russ should’ve guarded DRose in the semis. I didn’t think Russ would be as good as he turned out. His athleticism jumped even more once he got into the nba. Those runs in the sand really paid off for him.
But speaking of that it factor, the guys that I knew would be stars, were Baron Davis and DRose. If both were coming out this year, they’d go 1a and 1b. Ahead of any of top the players. Way ahead.
Having followed Russ from lightly recruited 3 star prospect to NBA stardom, I don’t recall any time when he truly had that it factor in college. His sophmore year, he certainly popped athletically (not what he is now, but his athleticism jumped a few levels), but Howland rarely featured him. Collison was the primary ball handler, Love was the star his soph year, Affalo the star his fresh year, and…
Still think Russ should’ve guarded DRose in the semis. I didn’t think Russ would be as good as he turned out. His athleticism jumped even more once he got into the nba. Those runs in the sand really paid off for him.
But speaking of that it factor, the guys that I knew would be stars, were Baron Davis and DRose. If both were coming out this year, they’d go 1a and 1b. Ahead of any of top the players. Way ahead.
If we got Adams in a trade, that would basically end the Kings pursuit of Holmes. I can't see the Kings spending $17 million on Adams and trying to resign Holmes for $10+ million in free agency. That would be $27 million on 2 non-3 point shooting centers. That's not the way to construct a team in today's NBA.
Also, if the Kings were to get Adams, his defensive prowess could actually make up for Bagley's lack of defensive presence and make Bagley a viable power forward option for the Kings. If Adams cleans up on defense, Bagley can concentrate on his strengths on offense.
Also, if the Kings were to get Adams, his defensive prowess could actually make up for Bagley's lack of defensive presence and make Bagley a viable power forward option for the Kings. If Adams cleans up on defense, Bagley can concentrate on his strengths on offense.
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So, somehow this leaks out from the Monte led organization that basically is not divulging any, and I mean ANY information on the draft, but this gets out? I just don’t think so. Also, I don’t think it really necessary to give Wagner a promise as the guy is going to be a top 15 pick no matter what and possibly a top 10. I don’t think those guys tend to get promises. It’s not like he’s at risk of going in the second round
Yeah, you can run as tight of a ship as possible but anything communicated to an outside party is no longer under your control.
The angle for the Kings here would be for Wagner to refuse to work out for other teams (he also did not participate in the combine for what it’s worth). There’s also the rumblings that Halliburton’s fall last year was somewhat orchestrated, so maybe this is Monte’s MO.
I don’t put a lot of faith in random Twitter accounts, but Chad Ford also said that Wagner to the Kings was likely, so maybe there’s something there.
The angle for the Kings here would be for Wagner to refuse to work out for other teams (he also did not participate in the combine for what it’s worth). There’s also the rumblings that Halliburton’s fall last year was somewhat orchestrated, so maybe this is Monte’s MO.
I don’t put a lot of faith in random Twitter accounts, but Chad Ford also said that Wagner to the Kings was likely, so maybe there’s something there.
The more I look at mock drafts the more I see the next tier of players after the first 5-6 all over the place. I’m not as good as scouting talent as some in here, so I’m just basing it on the mocks, but since we here at kingsfans don’t have a consensus at who we want at 9, how would you feel about trading it for okc’s 16 and 18? Is there a big drop off cuz I’m seeing mocks that have 2 of either jalen Johnson, sengun, Kai jones, Wagner, moody, z. Williams etc available at the 16 and 18. Basically if these guys are all within the range of 7-18, wouldn’t it be worth it to get 2 of them. (Assuming a top 5 doesn’t drop to us again)
sorry if this scenario has already been brought up.
sorry if this scenario has already been brought up.
Fun things for me are:
a) two rival cities - this would be like the Lakers having the #2 pick (or getting Doncic, take your pick)
b) Portland fans voted for Oden, so no "you blew the layup"
c) Seattle doesn't have a basketball team anymore
That Portland core of Oden, Aldridge and Roy won something like 75% of the 82 total games they played together over 3 seasons.
Not fun thing here:
I moved to Portland in 2005, the beginning of our final playoffs season.
Portland was hot garbage. I routinely got free tickets WITH FOOD the first two years I was here.
They put together the aforementioned Oden, Aldridge and Roy lineup while we missed the playoffs.
That team imploded.
They put together a new core around Dame that reached the WCF.
All during the same timeframe we have not sniffed a playoff game
a) two rival cities - this would be like the Lakers having the #2 pick (or getting Doncic, take your pick)
b) Portland fans voted for Oden, so no "you blew the layup"
c) Seattle doesn't have a basketball team anymore
That Portland core of Oden, Aldridge and Roy won something like 75% of the 82 total games they played together over 3 seasons.
Not fun thing here:
I moved to Portland in 2005, the beginning of our final playoffs season.
Portland was hot garbage. I routinely got free tickets WITH FOOD the first two years I was here.
They put together the aforementioned Oden, Aldridge and Roy lineup while we missed the playoffs.
That team imploded.
They put together a new core around Dame that reached the WCF.
All during the same timeframe we have not sniffed a playoff game
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