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Yep I agree with all that too. I can't blame Holmes for not having the length and size as the other great centers. To me he's maximized what he's been given.
The PF defense has been bad as well. Bagley and Beli's defense last year was putrid for big men. That will need to change moving forward as well.
I've been harping on the Noel thing all post season. If they could somehow swing keeping Holmes and signing Noel at $20mil per year total, I'd be happy with that. Not sure if that's realistic. Last year they made $10mil between them and they're both due for a raise. Just depends on how much. Harrell is getting paid almost $10mil per year on a 2 year deal and he's better than Holmes is overall, just not on defense. I can't see Holmes getting much more than that unless GMs get stupid with contracts this year.
Would you be willing to hold on to Buddy another year if it meant getting more back in a trade? I don't see the Kings making the playoffs this year so I wouldn't have a problem with it. I don't think he has a lot of value now because of his contract but it looks more manageable as time goes on. I think I'd cross my fingers and hope for a really good shooting season from him but that would require Walton to stop doing Walton like things with him. Just let him shoot while Fox, Hali and Wright do the ball handling to get his value back up as one of the more efficient shooters in the game.
The PF defense has been bad as well. Bagley and Beli's defense last year was putrid for big men. That will need to change moving forward as well.
I've been harping on the Noel thing all post season. If they could somehow swing keeping Holmes and signing Noel at $20mil per year total, I'd be happy with that. Not sure if that's realistic. Last year they made $10mil between them and they're both due for a raise. Just depends on how much. Harrell is getting paid almost $10mil per year on a 2 year deal and he's better than Holmes is overall, just not on defense. I can't see Holmes getting much more than that unless GMs get stupid with contracts this year.
Would you be willing to hold on to Buddy another year if it meant getting more back in a trade? I don't see the Kings making the playoffs this year so I wouldn't have a problem with it. I don't think he has a lot of value now because of his contract but it looks more manageable as time goes on. I think I'd cross my fingers and hope for a really good shooting season from him but that would require Walton to stop doing Walton like things with him. Just let him shoot while Fox, Hali and Wright do the ball handling to get his value back up as one of the more efficient shooters in the game.
I would not mind making a move for Noel and I don't mind keeping any of the B's for a mid-season trade ...
However if it doesn't work there has to be a major housecleaning starting with a midseason fire sale to insure we get a top draft pick and hopefully multiple picks come back. Phoenix scrapped everyone that wasn't Ayton or Booker, we can do the same with Fox and Haliburton.
However if it doesn't work there has to be a major housecleaning starting with a midseason fire sale to insure we get a top draft pick and hopefully multiple picks come back. Phoenix scrapped everyone that wasn't Ayton or Booker, we can do the same with Fox and Haliburton.
This is the paradox of bad teams. It happens in the NBA but even more often in the NFL because of the NFL's hard cap, the size of their rosters and the nature of their contracts.
Fans say, "we can't lose players x, y, and z" but keeping together a losing roster by resigning free agents to generally more expensive contracts just keeps together a bad team at higher and higher prices.
All that said, I would like to see Holmes back on a reasonable deal, but I'd also want McNair to explore options that can improve the team while saving money.
I'd say I want Whiteside back but I can't imagine he wants to return and I can't understand why Walton didn't play him more. He seemed to always make an impact off the bench.
Fans say, "we can't lose players x, y, and z" but keeping together a losing roster by resigning free agents to generally more expensive contracts just keeps together a bad team at higher and higher prices.
All that said, I would like to see Holmes back on a reasonable deal, but I'd also want McNair to explore options that can improve the team while saving money.
I'd say I want Whiteside back but I can't imagine he wants to return and I can't understand why Walton didn't play him more. He seemed to always make an impact off the bench.
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We either complain now when we lose him or complain later when he's perceived as overpaid. It's a no win at this point (unless we get lucky and he has no other legit suitors, or he takes another leap with respect to his development and "earns" his raise.) The only "safe" play in these situations is for the GM to trade him at the deadline the year before he's forced to make this decision. He can then spin that choice in a variety of ways (i.e. wanted to get some asset, player was going to be priced out of our budget, etc.)
Do y'all think the Kings will make a trade draft day or before? We are hearing about interest in players mocked mid first. Kispert and Butler are two guys largely expected to go 12 or later. I wonder if the Kings are working on a trade back or possibly a trade that will pick up a late lottery selection. It just seems like something is a brewin'
That would be stupid unless they are trading down for Wagner or Jalen Johnson. Even then, you're not getting much value back I would think and every other team probably would think the Kings are stupid for targeting a mid 1st rounder in this particular draft. If they like a guy they need to take him. This draft is way too all over the place so trying to manage a trade down would probably mean you're reaching as it is like Vlade did with Papa G.
I don't think that we should necessarily assume that's the case. We've been looking at players mocked something like 5-10 spots below us, which really is in the range of who we should be considering at #9 anyway, just to cover our bases. Frankly, if we were to take Ziaire at #9, I'm not going to get mad. If he's your guy, you take him. It's not like there are going to be any obvious franchise-changing talents available when we pick, so if the front office goes through and figures, "Hey, Wagner's not it, and Jalen Johnson's not it, and Moody's not it, and let's go with Williams" then at least they did their due diligence and got their guy. This is definitely a draft where it's tempting to want multiple shots in the late lottery, but thus far I don't think we're working out anybody that is out of the question at #9 but has no chance to last until #39.
Given they have only been around for a year, it's hard to anticipate what the front office will do. Last draft they sat still and waited for Hali to drop. But at the trade deadline they seemed like one of the busier teams. And some media heads were adamant they would look to move the pick. Personally, I would be happy with a simple draft. Unless there is some no brainer trade, just choose two players with the picks you have.
Maybe Monte is just doing what his predecessors didn't do and not lasering in one one guy? Maybe there are deals out there for OKC's picks? Maybe he's trying to get a team to think we're looking at other deals for pieces that are known to be available. Maybe he's faking left to go right? It's all hard to say isn't it? But it's got to be better than one guy and a chair.
Totally agree. I think their interest in Bey meant they had a plan A and B, plan A being Bey. B wasn't likely to happen but it did so they took Haliburton. In the end I think the Kings were good either way. I think this draft is similar and the Kings are basically in the same exact position they were last season at this time. Same basic record. Same coach. Same muck at SG involving Buddy Hield. Another FA looking for a big deal that they showcased the heck out of. Same Bagley cloud hanging overhead. Same chance to take a wing to fill a need. I think it's unlikely one of those top 5 drop this year but you never know. If they don't, the path of least resistance seems like the way to go then see if another time up to bat gets it done. If it doesn't at least a partial reset is called for.
The big concern for me is that going all in to try and compete if it means pushing your option to backtrack farther away is something that could eventually cost this team some of the young talent they have acquired. You see with plenty of teams. The Thunder, the Wolves, potentially the Hawks next. If you can't realistically win a ring within a certain time frame, drafting high value talent to play a role ends up with some other team poaching them from you.
The big concern for me is that going all in to try and compete if it means pushing your option to backtrack farther away is something that could eventually cost this team some of the young talent they have acquired. You see with plenty of teams. The Thunder, the Wolves, potentially the Hawks next. If you can't realistically win a ring within a certain time frame, drafting high value talent to play a role ends up with some other team poaching them from you.
Wouldn't mind something like this. Clears out some of the back-court mess and keeps you in play for some pretty exciting prospects still. Jones, Garuba, Williams and I think there's a decent chance one of the wings we're looking at for 9 (Johnson, Moody, Wagner) is there at 13 as well. Also Kispert at 13 is significantly more palatable than at 9.
That's one interesting thing about this draft. There honestly isn't a giant talent difference from picks 7-20.
That's one interesting thing about this draft. There honestly isn't a giant talent difference from picks 7-20.
Yea it’s a pretty good proposal. It likely takes us out of any conversation regarding Moody or Bouknight, but obviously some interesting players still on board.
I’m curious, would Turner end all chance of retaining Holmes, or could they play together if the price is right. I’d like to keep Holmes and move Bagley if possible.
I’m curious, would Turner end all chance of retaining Holmes, or could they play together if the price is right. I’d like to keep Holmes and move Bagley if possible.
I think a reasonable chance exists Kuminga falls to us at 9.
the order I think may well go.....
Detroit- Cunningham
Houston - Green
Cleveland - Mobley
Houston - Suggs
Orlando - Barnes
OKC - Bouknight
Golden State - Mitchell
Orlando - ?
of course Kuminga falling makes that 7th pick more interesting and increases the chance Golden State trades out of it.
the order I think may well go.....
Detroit- Cunningham
Houston - Green
Cleveland - Mobley
Houston - Suggs
Orlando - Barnes
OKC - Bouknight
Golden State - Mitchell
Orlando - ?
of course Kuminga falling makes that 7th pick more interesting and increases the chance Golden State trades out of it.
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