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Again, your opinion is not fact around here. If you think you "won" in your eyes. Congratulations! Go have a beer to celebrate, but the fact is we both have provided ample evidence across many topics. The difference between us is that you are very absolute and select your evidence to make a point.
In regards to Ben, strength does not equal success in this league. Ben's biggest issue has been IQ & mental. You see a deadlift of 500lbs from his Instagram account and some reports that McLemore has been working hard in the offseason (during a time where he may or may not have been involved in trades to increase his value) and you eat it up. McLemore has always been a gym rat. He has always been a hard worker off the court. That was one of his pluses coming out of college. It remains to be seen if he can actually play the game of basketball at a high level. For him to stick in this league, he needs to improve his mental game. Do you disagree?
It's pointless continuing to bring up the trade because we're on both ends of the spectrum. I value the strategic portion of cap space, manageable contracts, and increasing the chances of having a lottery pick, and you are banking on the progression of a 4 year player who's biggest leap is mental. That's fine. We have our differences. You're not going to change my mind and I'm not going to change yours...
In regards to Duncan & Ewing, please show me where I accused you of saying that Duncan or Ewing were inefficient? If you're going to try and belittle my post, at least have the intellect to understand it.
Just to be clear, I was helping your argument. You took a very iffy stance as to the Duncan/Ewing vs. Cousins point (saying that I would estimate a 54% TS% back then is equal to a 56% TS today), and I backed it up with better evidence. Last time I do you a favor...sheesh
You are misrepresenting my opinion on Ben. My projection for him was based on more than deadlifting 500 pounds. And you are also wrong to say we are on different ends of the spectrum, when you want to give him away for peanuts, and I contended before camp there a 50/50 chance he would make the rotation. That's hardly a ringing endorsement of future stardom. You don't think I see his flaws as a player, mentally and physically?!? Gimme a break, man, I outlined them pretty thoroughly in the original post in that thread.
Let me state this one last time for you and be done with it: Ben has a chance to be a player in this league as a late bloomer, with strength catching up to athleticism, and experience
over three seasons finally resulting in a positive return on investment. He's a player who needed to be nurtured, he needed to go from kid to man, from timid gangly wide eyed babe to confident and assertive performer. It's not too late. That's what the coaching staff and Vlade sees. That's what I see. That's the extent of it.
To put a finer point on it than that (including your citing advanced stats in pre-season over a three game period) is spinning wheels in the mud.
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