TheFifthMookie
Bench
Funny you allow an exception for Glen Davis, when Sean May looks almost exactly like him.
May: It's official
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Kingsguy881
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I did! He said "Where is the best food in Sacramento? I'm hungry. Do you have a list of the 24 hour fast food joints?"
Jechtsphere
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bajaden
Hall of Famer
Just for the hell of it, once again. Here are the measurements from the NBA combine of most of the PF's that people would recognize, in their bare feet. One concession I will make is that some of these guys were very young when measured and could have grown since.
C. Villanueva - 6' 9"
D. Howard - 6' 9"
E. Okafor - 6' 8.75"
A. Horford - 6' 8.75"
B. Wright - 6' 8.75"
B. Griffin - 6' 8.50"
M. Haislip - 6' 8.50"
A. Stoudemire - 6' 8.50"
C. Wilcox - 6' 8.25"
D. West - 6' 8.25"
T. Handsbrough - 6' 8.25"
R. Turiaf - 6' 8"
D. Lee - 6' 7.75"
C. Boozer- 6' 7.75"
U. Haslem - 6' 7.75"
G. Davis - 6' 7.75"
C. Landry - 6' 7.75"
J. Green - 6' 7.75"
K. Love - 6' 7.75"
D. Arthur - 6' 7.50"
P. Bonsu - 6' 7.50"
T. Thomas - 6' 7.25"
H. Warrick - 6' 7.25"
J. Williams - 6' 7.25"
M. Beasley - 6' 7"
M. Williams - 6' 7"
S. May - 6' 7"
I. Diogu - 6' 6.50"
B. Bass - 6' 6.25"
P. Millsap - 6' 6.25"
Now this is not all the PF's, but its most of the prominent ones. I don't see any giants in the crowd, do you? And most of the one's on the higher end of the scale actually play center most of the time, even if they are in actuallity PF's. As you can see that Jason Thompson would be up at the top of the list at 6'11" in shoes.
I know that most of us have this image of all the PF's in the league being 6' 10", but its just not the case. Yes, I know that some have longer arms and can jump higher than others. But we were talking about being undersized. And while I will adimit that May is near the bottom of this list, Millsap is at the bottom. The only thing that seperates May from Boozer, Lee, Haslem, Landry, Love, and Jeff Green, is three quarters of an inch. Now if you want to agrue the indiviuality of each player, thats another story.
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bajaden
Hall of Famer
Nice informative interview. I recomend it to everyone that has questions about May. At least he says all the right things. He could end up being a steal at that price. We'll see..
Arby's Roast Beef
Starter
It might be an OK gamble to take May on the contract we've given him--he was a lottery pick, and he was definitely productive in the albeit rare occasions he took to the court--but the defensive issues will definitely be exacerbated. It's not just the height--his standing reach is poor, and is on the level of most SFs in the league. Considering that he never had a defensive reputation, and had weight and work ethic problems that just compounded the issue, it's safe to say he'll be a liability in the league on this end. The intrigue is if he can get himself into good enough shape/play enough games to hopefully bring some rebounding/inside-outside scoring.
Chupacabra
Starter
I said none of the top teams in the league have undersized bigmen, with the exception of Glen Davis. Whats so funny about that? I just hate that the last athletic defensive bigman weve had was 6 years ago when we had Keon Clark. Get it together Petrie, bring in a defensive presence for once.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Well I don't think its much of a gamble. Now if it was my money, thats a different story. I don't think his standing reach is poor. Its just a little below average. Diogu's standing reach was 9'1" and May's is 8'9". Lee's standing reach is 8'10.5". Villanueua's is 9'1", and Millsap's is 8'9.5". May's vertical leap is two inches better than all of the above. His lateral movement time is better than half of those above.
I think it comes down to the individual. I know that your a stats guy and place a lot of value on them. I certainly take them into consideration, but I place more value on the make up of the individual. Having said that, May's past certaintly doesn't present a pretty picture. He was a good college player. He had what I would call one good season in the NBA. He's been beset with injuries ever since. So we'll see. As I said, I don't think its much of a gamble. Its not much money, and he's hungry, and I don't mean literally. Maybe for once we'll get lucky..Maybe...
HighTopKicks
Bench
Those were his rookie stats correct? I doubt seriously that after 3 knee surgeries he has the same vertical & lateral movement. But, on the bright side, the scar tissue build up in this legs may have increased his height by .025".Well I don't think its much of a gamble. Now if it was my money, thats a different story. I don't think his standing reach is poor. Its just a little below average. Diogu's standing reach was 9'1" and May's is 8'9". Lee's standing reach is 8'10.5". Villanueua's is 9'1", and Millsap's is 8'9.5". May's vertical leap is two inches better than all of the above. His lateral movement time is better than half of those above.
I think it comes down to the individual. I know that your a stats guy and place a lot of value on them. I certainly take them into consideration, but I place more value on the make up of the individual. Having said that, May's past certaintly doesn't present a pretty picture. He was a good college player. He had what I would call one good season in the NBA. He's been beset with injuries ever since. So we'll see. As I said, I don't think its much of a gamble. Its not much money, and he's hungry, and I don't mean literally. Maybe for once we'll get lucky..Maybe...
Circa_1985_Fan
All-Star
Luckily this is a 1 yr contract for the league minimum, so no chance of another Ralph Sampson with May. The risk is minimal thank God...let's hope for the best. 
Telemachus
Starter
Houston had Luis Scola and Carl Landy at PF, neither is that big. With Glen Davis, you and throw Leon Powe in there as well. Portland had Outlaw behind Aldridge at PF. Orlando started a SF at PF in Lewis, and while not short is not "big" for a PF. They have since added Brandon Bass (undersized) to back up at PF like he did for Dallas last season. I should also mention that Paul Milsap has been the back up (and started quite a bit) for Utah the last couple years.
My point is that there are A LOT of what we would call undersized PFs in the NBA, and playoff teams are not immune to their presense.
CruzDude
Senior Member sharing a brew with bajaden
The Bulls won multiple championships with a 6-7 Rodman at PF. Paul Pierce on Celtics is only 6-9. Size of PF does not win championships but the TEAM does. And aggressive, rebounding PF's are very valuable as most teams don't have them. Give it a chance guys. The Kings could be the youngest team in the league if we get rid of KT.
I'm not sure if we are just discussing bench guys but all of those teams have legit bigs (and some of the best in the game) playing ahead of them. If we had Howard, Ming, KG, Boozer/Okur starting, I'd be less inclined to worry about it. Alas, we do not.
Paul Pierce isn't a PF.
Chupacabra
Starter
When i said top teams i meant teams that compete for championships. SA,Boston,LA,Orlando,Denver dont have any 6'7 bigmen aside from the exception of Glen Davis.If we were just talking about playoff teams half the league would be a top team.
Chupacabra
Starter
Dennis Rodman is no longer playing and had Michael Jordan on his team. Rodman aside from Charles Barkley is the biggest exception to small bigmen not being a weakness. Like is said before, im just angry the front office doesnt realize all great teams can protect the basket. The inability to alter/block shots around the basket is a huge weakness that kings fans have been having to put up with for FAR TOO LONG. 6'7 Sean May doesnt help this area of concern one tiny bit.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
It may never work, but nobody can say we don't give 'em a chance.
who is that?
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Those were his rookie stats correct? I doubt seriously that after 3 knee surgeries he has the same vertical & lateral movement. But, on the bright side, the scar tissue build up in this legs may have increased his height by .025".
Yeah, I was going to mention that, but I was sure someone would bring it up. As I said, some of these players may have grown since being drafted also. I like the quarter of an inch thing though..
I like the quarter of an inch thing though..
HTK may have intended a quarter of an inch, but wrote 2.5 hundredths. You're liable to wear that much rubber off the bottom of your shoe in a few games!
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Your trying to sell your argument by cherry picking the teams you want. I listed most of the top PF's in the league. I purposely didn't include centers other than Howard and Horford, who in my opinion aren't centers. My list started with Howard, who was 6'9" when he came into the league. Boozer's height is average at 6'7.75". Hardly a giant, yet he's considered one of the best in the league. If your saying we can't win unless we've got a PF thats over 6'9", then were in great shape with Thompson.
As far as Orlando goes, they really didn't field a PF. Neither Lewis or Hedo is a PF in my opinion. I honestly don't get your point. I guess you wouldn't have wanted Barkley on your team because he was undersized. .
bajaden
Hall of Famer
HTK may have intended a quarter of an inch, but wrote 2.5 hundredths. You're liable to wear that much rubber off the bottom of your shoe in a few games!
Easier to replace the rubber!
Telemachus
Starter
I'm sorry, but you can't just choose which teams YOU consider to be the teams that are championship contenders. How can you include LA, SA, and Denver, but exclude Houston and Portland? The answer is that you can't. And you mention Boston and Orlando, but somehow forget Cleveland? BTW, you keep mentioning Davis of Boston, but forgetting Leon Powe of the same team. And who do you consider the PF in Orlando? Don't say Howard - he plays center. Both Hedo and Lewis have spent most of their careers playing SF. And while they are both 6'10, neither of them play that big.
That is what is really important when looking at PFs. It is much more important how big they play as oppossed to how big they are. I will give you an example off the Kings to make my point (not PFs, but still makes the point). Both Kevin Martin and Ron Artest are listed at 6'7. Artest has shown that he can match up well against many PFs in the NBA, while Martin gets overpowered when matched up against most SFs. The difference is that Artest plays big on the court while Martin plays small. Some of that is do to strength and weight, but it also has a lot to do with their style of play.
Look at many of the PFs throughout history who were "undersized". Barkley, Dantley, Rodman, LJ, Boozer, etc. all play/ed bigger than they actually were. At the same time, you can find many "full-sized" PFs and centers that played smaller than they were. Do I have to remind you of Miller? He never played like a 7-footer, but that didn't make him shorter.
ReturnOfTheKings
Prospect
I guess next week we get to find out how fit he is. I was fishing around to see if there were any pics related to his recent basketball camp. Couldnt find anything but I ran across this interesting little tidbit from a forum thread with some Charlotte locals talking about May. Sounds like he's slimmed down quite a bit.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=78&f=1410&t=4537379
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=78&f=1410&t=4537379
icp3425
G-League
He'll be in Sacramento for his physical and, if he passes, to actually sign his contract with the Kings.
kennadog
Dog On It!
From the Kings Full Court Press page. (See link to the report on various things in the Kings Newslinks thread. http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33105)
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