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He wants out. I always believed he was underrated and unused in Atlanta. Has a nasty contract, but a solid, non ball dominant shooter who isn't a liability on defense. ATL probably just wants out of his contract, so a straight up Hickson for Williams swap I think would be beneficial for both sides. ATL gets a 4 who can at least be a stopgap until Horford comes back, Kings get a 3 that isn't a liability on either side of the floor.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/219120/Marvin_Williams_Would_Like_Trade_From_Hawks
 
Probably a good trade for both teams. But we're stockpiling overpaid SFs at the bench if this goes. So if we can get rid of maybe Salmons or Garcia in this process, it would be awesome.
 
Not a fan. I don't want to panic and fill that SF spot with just anyone .. we aren't going to make a splash this season anyway, so we don't have to rush .. I rather take our time and make the right move than jump into something we don't need.
 
upinsmoke said:
when a player is amnestied is the team still on the hook for the full amount still due on the contract?
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Yes, at least until another team picks him up. Then, only the remaining part of the contract is due. For example, if you amnesty a player with a 10 mil/year contract, and another team picks him up for 3 mil/year, you have to pay the difference of 7 mil/year. This amount of money won't affect your cap space anyways.
 
upinsmoke said:
My friend who's working in Minny has been texting me saying the rumor is Beasley is on the way here.
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There has been some talk about the Lakers being interested in Beasley...haven't heard any Kings talk though. I'd be down as long as the trade doesn't involve Tyreke or Cousins... and hopefully not IT and JT.
 
BMiller52 said:
For who though? MN needs a 2 guard for the most part, so would that mean Thornton is on the way out? I'm not sure I'd like that.
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Actually, I could see something in the Beasley rumor- for Thornton and Garcia, if we take Darko as well.

Adelman might be vouching for Garcia, who he could covet for his versatility at the 3 or the 2. Thornton gives them incredible scoring punch on the bench and again, is a perfect Adelman player. They get out of the Darko deal and we pick up a genuine scoring 3. Plus, Beasley's terrible on defense and is a bit of an enigma, so a perfect Sacramento King. Hell, they could even take a flyer on Salmons- knows the system and could be more quietly productive for a contender.
 
I'd be down with Williams, Beasley, not so much. the Kings really don't need another high volume low efficiency scorer that does little else. even if we ship Thornton out at the same time, which doesn't seem like a good idea anyway.
 
jalfa said:
I'd be down with Williams, Beasley, not so much. the Kings really don't need another high volume low efficiency scorer that does little else. even if we ship Thornton out at the same time, which doesn't seem like a good idea anyway.
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The real rumor is that MIN is so sick of Beasley, and waiting for his revival, that they want to dump his salary to free up other offseason moves. They are even considering moving him for a pick. While I wouldn't offer our lottery pick for him, I would consider moving either Thornton (if they wanted to improve SG) or Garcia/Hickson or JT to them. They get an expiring, and another Adelman vet to help shore up the system.

Beasley is as much of a wild card as they come. The comparisons to Rasheed are dead-on: he could find it at any minute, but where, and why? He is still a #2 pick out of North Carolina, and who knows? On this lineup, with these pieces and coach, maybe it is crazy enough to work.

I'd do it.
 
KevinSalvadori said:
The real rumor is that MIN is so sick of Beasley, and waiting for his revival, that they want to dump his salary to free up other offseason moves. They are even considering moving him for a pick. While I wouldn't offer our lottery pick for him, I would consider moving either Thornton (if they wanted to improve SG) or Garcia/Hickson or JT to them. They get an expiring, and another Adelman vet to help shore up the system.

Beasley is as much of a wild card as they come. The comparisons to Rasheed are dead-on: he could find it at any minute, but where, and why? He is still a #2 pick out of North Carolina, and who knows? On this lineup, with these pieces and coach, maybe it is crazy enough to work.

I'd do it.
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I'd still rather have an actual roleplayer at the three, because even if you ship out Thornton (again, not a very appealing idea to me), he'll still get replaced by someone who needs shots unless you want to start Garcia. Beasley, to me, has never really shown to be more than volume scorer not very willing to move the ball. it doesn't surprise me that Minny is willing to move him, especially since they have Williams waiting. as the Kings are constructed now, Thornton or no Thornton, Beasley just seems like a bad fit. you should be able to get more out of an expiring like Hickson (it's sad that this seems to be his value now) and there's no way in hell I'm trading JT for him.
 
jalfa said:
I'd still rather have an actual roleplayer at the three, because even if you ship out Thornton (again, not a very appealing idea to me), he'll still get replaced by someone who needs shots unless you want to start Garcia. Beasley, to me, has never really shown to be more than volume scorer not very willing to move the ball. it doesn't surprise me that Minny is willing to move him, especially since they have Williams waiting. as the Kings are constructed now, Thornton or no Thornton, Beasley just seems like a bad fit. you should be able to get more out of an expiring like Hickson (it's sad that this seems to be his value now) and there's no way in hell I'm trading JT for him.
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I like Williams, and could see ATL being interested in a package including Garcia and Thompson/Hickson. The Hawks need bigs badly, and have a thin bench beyond this year. Garcia could help solve that, and Thompson or Hickson would be the perfect type of project next to Horford, Collins (who are both hurt), and Smith. Dampier is only on a one year, and Ivan Johnson, while playing well, isn't ready for crazy minutes yet. We get a starting 3 that can both score and defend well, with great outside range and consistency.

I maintain we should make an offer for Okafor, including whichever piece we don't move in the Williams deal of Hickson or JT, along with Salmons and a future 2nd rounder. NOH could save at least 1.4m on the deal, potentially more if they don't resign JT. They also get better depth- a major need. Their starting 5 would be Landry, Ayon, Ariza, Jack, Belinelli/Salmons, with JT, Henry, Aminu, Vazquez, Smith, and Gordon on the bench.

Our new 5:
C: Cousins
PF: Okafor
SF: Williams
PG: Thomas
SG: Evans

Not bad. Especially with a bench of Thornton, Hayes, Jimmer, Donte, Honeycutt, Whiteside, and Outlaw. Could set us up nicely for draft and free agency...
 
xyrin said:
It is a rumor from a random dude.

My friend in Orlando said Dwight is on his way here.

See?
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That is about the level orf reliability.

People are forgettting a name though: Chuck Hayes. As in Adelman fave Chuck Hayes.

Also wonder what Darko's status is now that his "next Valde" bubble has been popped in The Twin Cities. Butif Minny were going to send Beasley for us, mightn't Hayes be somebody Adelman would want? With us playing Donte up front anyway, maybe its possible. Or maybe a bad contract swap of Salmons for Darko balances things 1 PF/C + 1 SG/SF apeice, Minny can delude themselves that Salmons is at least a vet at SG and completely corner the market on 5-7ppg 37% shooting SG/SFs (Johnson, Ellington, Webster are already int hat range), and Geoff can claim to have gotten a shotblocker the way he normally does -- bargain basement.
 
KevinSalvadori said:
The real rumor is that MIN is so sick of Beasley, and waiting for his revival, that they want to dump his salary to free up other offseason moves. They are even considering moving him for a pick. While I wouldn't offer our lottery pick for him, I would consider moving either Thornton (if they wanted to improve SG) or Garcia/Hickson or JT to them. They get an expiring, and another Adelman vet to help shore up the system.
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Minnesota doesn't need to dump his salary to free up for offseason moves - he's a restricted free agent. They don't have to make him a QO if they don't want. So that rumor doesn't make any sense.

Beasley is as much of a wild card as they come. The comparisons to Rasheed are dead-on: he could find it at any minute, but where, and why? He is still a #2 pick out of North Carolina, and who knows?
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Kansas St., not North Carolina.

I've advocated for Beasley in the past, but with every passing year he looks less and less attractive and more and more disruptive. Maybe we find an advantageous trade if we can send Salmons and Hickson for Beasley and Darko. That is basically a wash salary-wise this year, and saves us $9.5M and shaves one year off Salmons' contract in the long run. But Minny has to agree to that. Maybe with Pekovic and Love on board, they want a more athletic PF with a history of some success to come off the bench, whose QO is pretty small. Salmons, on the other hand? Maybe they think a change of scenery would do him good.

It would be kind of a money dump for us, because it's hard to imagine Beasley earning his way into his $8M+ QO in the next two months. It'd give us a bit more leeway to throw money at Kirilenko again in the offseason, but given how well that worked last time...
 
KevinSalvadori said:
I like Williams, and could see ATL being interested in a package including Garcia and Thompson/Hickson. The Hawks need bigs badly, and have a thin bench beyond this year. Garcia could help solve that, and Thompson or Hickson would be the perfect type of project next to Horford, Collins (who are both hurt), and Smith. Dampier is only on a one year, and Ivan Johnson, while playing well, isn't ready for crazy minutes yet. We get a starting 3 that can both score and defend well, with great outside range and consistency.

I maintain we should make an offer for Okafor, including whichever piece we don't move in the Williams deal of Hickson or JT, along with Salmons and a future 2nd rounder. NOH could save at least 1.4m on the deal, potentially more if they don't resign JT. They also get better depth- a major need. Their starting 5 would be Landry, Ayon, Ariza, Jack, Belinelli/Salmons, with JT, Henry, Aminu, Vazquez, Smith, and Gordon on the bench.

Our new 5:
C: Cousins
PF: Okafor
SF: Williams
PG: Thomas
SG: Evans

Not bad. Especially with a bench of Thornton, Hayes, Jimmer, Donte, Honeycutt, Whiteside, and Outlaw. Could set us up nicely for draft and free agency...
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I'm not enamoured with Okafor, neither as a player nor a contract. he's earning 40 mil over the length of his remaining contract and cannot really play pf, which means he'd be a backup centre here. as great as getting rid of Salmons sounds, it should not necessitate swallowing a contract such as Okafor's.

Williams, however, I'd like to see. clogs up the payroll a bit -would look less bad if the Kings were to cut Salmons and change ownership to someone unconcerned about these amounts of money- and doesn't fit the additional playmaker thing the Kings have been looking for. if Thomas were to be a fixture in the starting lineup that wouldn't really be a problem any more though and the Kings could just capitalise on the rebounding edge they'd now have on *everybody*. dunno if I'd want to trade Thompson, though, which makes it really hard for the Kings to put together a package that's appealing to the Hawks.
 
Say yes to Marvin Williams. Athletic, can defend, and would be that 4th scorer that this team has been missing.

IT
Reke
Williams
JT
Cousins

would be a well-balanced starting 5
 
And also of note is that Marvin would be able to be had for very cheap. He's seen as a relatively bad contract and has underperformed.

I however feel like he's being underutilized in ATL, because he's told to sit in a corner and shoot threes. In the Kings offense with Isaiah at PG, everybody seems to be moving without the ball, and I feel like Marvin can be a poor-man's Deng in that kind of role.

Honestly I think Hickson for Marvin straight up works for both teams.
 
I get the impression that Marvin Williams is a John Salmons clone. Beasley though... the idea is calling to me.
 
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I don't know... Beasley has more talent, but his head is a big problem. I'm not sure he is what this team needs, even if he has a lot of talent and has good size for a SF. I really can't decide here, it's very tough.
I'm not a big fan of Williams. For sure he is an improvement at SF, but it all depends on what it would take to get him. Perfect world? Williams - Hinrich for Hickson - Garcia or Salmons. In this case, I would pull the trigger.
 
upinsmoke said:
Chuck Hayes as trade bait might get a Beasley deal done. If we land him I just hope he goes back to the fro lol.
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Yes! It's by far his most fearsome look. totally fits in with our current ABA style ball.

Mass said:
I don't know... Beasley has more talent, but his head is a big problem. I'm not sure he is what this team needs, even if he has a lot of talent and has good size for a SF. I really can't decide here, it's very tough.
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Ya I wonder what his attitude is like nowadays as well, but I think his skill set could make us a good team. Beasley would replace Thornton in the lineup, fixing the size problem and no PG problem without losing the scoring threat. Isaiah, Evans, Beasley, Cousins and JT would just dominate the boards all day too.

But that all depends on Beasley having a good attitude and reaching some of his potential... highly unlikely and therefore not a good plan.
 
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