Marc Stein on Trade Rumors

[nbrans]

2. A deal for Toronto's Jermaine O'Neal remains readily available to the Miami Heat. The Sacramento Kings likewise would still love to send Brad Miller to Miami for Shawn Marion as long as they don't have to take back Marcus Banks, too. And word comes now that another matter for Miami to consider is the prospect of sending Marion to New Orleans for a package headlined by Tyson Chandler.
There have been no firm indications that such a swap is imminent, but it's a scenario mentioned more than once in the past week. And that's probably because acquiring Chandler would be consistent with Pat Riley's well-known preference to bring back proven size if he parts with Marion's $17.8 million expiring contract before the deadline.
The Heat, however, are just as determined not to take back contracts that extend past the 2009-10 season, which would seem to rule this out as a possibility, given that Chandler has a $13.2 million player option for 2010-11 that he is certain to exercise.

4. Portland is naturally making calls to see what it can fetch with its LaFrentz chip, but it appears that there's a much better chance that Kings swingman John Salmons will wind up with the Blazers -- who have inquired about Salmons -- than that Chicago's Luol Deng will. Deng is said to be one of Blazers general manager Kevin Pritchard's all-time favorites, but sources say Deng's strong play over the past month-plus after a slow start makes him the closest thing to prized rookie Derrick Rose on Chicago's list of untouchables. (It's also true that dealing Deng before the summertime, even if Chicago wanted to, is difficult because of base-year-compensation restrictions.)

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If Tyson Chandler's really available and Miami decides to trade with Toronto, hopefully Geoff would be immediately calling New Orleans and offering them Brad (salary relief) for Chandler (26 year old defensive center).

I'd first go for clearing the decks for free agency (Brad/KT to Miami, then Salmons/filler to Portland, then Beno to Dallas) because of the flexibility it affords with trades and free agents -- if that doesn't work.... Chandler would be a great get. He hasn't looked great this year and he would cut into 2010 flexibility, but 26 year old centers like him don't become available every day.

 

[BMiller52]

We should but we won't because Petrie is allergic to centers who can't shoot 3 pointers and handle the ball.

 

[est.1999]

I think the only trade we ever saw coming was artest for peja. I get the feeling it won't change this year and all the trade rumors we've been hearing about won't occur and that something we never expected will.

 

[Vlade4GM]

NO trading Chandler? Really? Why? He's perfect for their style of play.

 

[HighTopKicks]

Off subject here: The Bee reported that the Kings have about $1.5M in trade exemptions that expire Feb 14th. Does anyone know if these exemptions exclude the amount from Luxury Tax.

Say we take back $1.4M in a trade more than we send and that puts our actual salary over the Luxury Tax limit, does the exemption put us back below the limit?

Of course, if SAR's salary comes off the books this year it might not make a difference. But, if it did, I wonder if GP might be encouraged to make a deal by the 14th rather than lose the exemptions.

 

[Sarunas]

True, I would love to have Tyson Chandler. I dont think we have ever had any kind of defensive presence on the kings in the middle. I would love having a front line of Chandler, Thompson, Hawes, and possibly Thabeet or Griffin. Chandler and Thabeet on the floor at the same time?? Block party...

 

[SacKings7]

Off subject here: The Bee reported that the Kings have about $1.5M in trade exemptions that expire Feb 14th. Does anyone know if these exemptions exclude the amount from Luxury Tax.

Say we take back $1.4M in a trade more than we send and that puts our actual salary over the Luxury Tax limit, does the exemption put us back below the limit?

Of course, if SAR's salary comes off the books this year it might not make a difference. But, if it did, I wonder if GP might be encouraged to make a deal by the 14th rather than lose the exemptions.

I'm pretty sure trade exemptions can't be packaged with other players, they have to be traded by themselves. Not sure about the answer to your question, but I would think no.

But since they can't be packaged with players, I doubt there are many players Petrie wants that are getting paid 1.4M or less unless they are rookies, which we won't be able to acquire anyway.

 

[Oprostaj]

True, I would love to have Tyson Chandler. I dont think we have ever had any kind of defensive presence on the kings in the middle. I would love having a front line of Chandler, Thompson, Hawes, and possibly Thabeet or Griffin. Chandler and Thabeet on the floor at the same time?? Block party...

You do realize that there is an offensive side to basketball right? Living in chicago, I watched Tyson play for the first couple of years. Without a point guard, he is a deer in headlights type of player. Does NOT have good hands, and no concept of offensive awareness, be it in the post or anywhere else. ALL, and I mean ALL of his points are either Paul ally-oops or dunk put backs when Paul draws 17 people as he drives through the lane. Chandler is good because Pedja streches the defense, Paul draws everybody, and West is a phenomenal shooter, which leaves Chandler with about 100 square feet of space where he is by himself. Put him on the Kings, and his production will dissapear. Trust me on this.

 

[Spike]

You do realize that there is an offensive side to basketball right?

That was my thought...

 

[John Galt]

You do realize that there is an offensive side to basketball right?

Sac fans have this beat into their head on a regular basis believe me.

(in my best Jerry Reynolds impersonation): "last time I checked, the Kings have won 100% of the games where they scored more points than the other guys"....

 

[Oprostaj]

yes yes... I've been on here for the past couple of years so I'm aware of the points hammered into our heads. At the same time, I'm reminded of the great Jerry Reinsdufus "dream" frontline of Eddy Curry and Tyson Chandler. One couldn't stay healthy, and the other weighed 300 pounds and averaged 3 Rbs a game. Yes. 3. rebounds. a. game. Eddy Curry. 3 rebounds. it's like the basketball represented some childhood fear that Eddy just had to run away from. When he set up on the block you could see his eyes screaming " NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! DON'T PASS IT TO ME!!!!!!!!!!! I SWEAR IF YOU DO I'M THROWING IT AWAY!!!"

 

[Kingster]

You do realize that there is an offensive side to basketball right? Living in chicago, I watched Tyson play for the first couple of years. Without a point guard, he is a deer in headlights type of player. Does NOT have good hands, and no concept of offensive awareness, be it in the post or anywhere else. ALL, and I mean ALL of his points are either Paul ally-oops or dunk put backs when Paul draws 17 people as he drives through the lane. Chandler is good because Pedja streches the defense, Paul draws everybody, and West is a phenomenal shooter, which leaves Chandler with about 100 square feet of space where he is by himself. Put him on the Kings, and his production will dissapear. Trust me on this.

Totally agree. Paul MAKES Chandler on offense. Nobody in the league could create the opportunites Paul makes for Chandler. Chandler would be a non-entity on offense with an average point guard, and we don't have that.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

As far as the rumors out there and players we would actually keep , chandler is on the bottom of the list for me..

Amare
Boozer
Ellis
Chandler

Chandler is the best defensive player on that list, but I dont think he could be part of a 'big 3' .. yano what I mean?

He's like a better ( marginally better BTW ) version of Kendrick Perkins. Perk does a lot for the celtics, he makes them a much better team then the stats show - but he isnt one of there top 3 - even top 4 players.

If I had to choose between Chandler, Thabeet or Griffin I would take Thabeet and Griffin over Chandler - On the other side, I would take Amare, Boozer, or Ellis over Thabeet, Griffin or any point besides rubio in the draft... so I guess thats how im looking at this situation..

However, a Hawes/miller swap for chandler might be worth it.

 

[sidney]

NO trading Chandler? Really? Why? He's perfect for their style of play.

I agree. I don't see this from NO's perspective. They are poised for a playoff run and they trade Tyson for an expiring and put Hilton Armstrong in there as starting center? Makes no sense.

They are over the tax line next year, so I guess they could be trying to save money. There are other ways to get there though, like trading Julian Wright and Antonio Daniels to us for Mikki Moore or Bobby Jackson

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

True, I would love to have Tyson Chandler. I dont think we have ever had any kind of defensive presence on the kings in the middle. I would love having a front line of Chandler, Thompson, Hawes, and possibly Thabeet or Griffin. Chandler and Thabeet on the floor at the same time?? Block party...

Chandler's shotblocking abilities are overrated. But I get your point.

 

[Sptsjunkie]

True, I would love to have Tyson Chandler. I dont think we have ever had any kind of defensive presence on the kings in the middle. I would love having a front line of Chandler, Thompson, Hawes, and possibly Thabeet or Griffin. Chandler and Thabeet on the floor at the same time?? Block party...

Well, Chandler doesn't really block many shots and Thabeet and him on the floor together would be absolutley anemic offensively. I mean you are talking about 2 players who have to be 2 feet from the basket.

 

[est.1999]

^^ and still not guaranteed to score

 

[Oprostaj]

No I think the point would be to frustrate the opposing team so much from trying to score over a freakishly tall and lanky frontline that they just start putting the ball in their own basket.

 

[nbrans]

Let's not forget a few things that the Celtics, Pistons, and Bulls all won championships with a big who was not called upon to score at all, but rather to rebound and block shots. Would it kill the Kings to have one guy on the team who is defensively minded and could control the paint?

 

[kingzallday]

Ummm....To bad we dont a have team to generate offense like those teams did.

 

[Oprostaj]

The Celts and Pistons are unique combination of talents across the board. The Pistons had players who caused matchup nightmares all over the court while playing hellacious defense. The Celtics as well, altough they relied more on sheer brilliance of players at times (paul pierce v LBJ last year, anybody?), but both teams played phenomenal team defense. One player does not a team make, no matter how good he is defensively. Would be nice to have a crazy defensive minded C or PF though, because it rubs off on the rest of the team. Someone like Ray Lewis who doesn't take **** and lackadasical play.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

We better be getting a young prospect back if John Salmons is going to Portland. I dont want this trade to be anything like the BIbby and Webber trade if it happends. And if Petrie values his job i would hope he dosent want it to be that way either.

 

[Bricklayer]

Ummm....To bad we dont a have team to generate offense like those teams did.

Those teams weren't great offensive teams. they just understood that you win championships on the other side of the ball. Offense is for tourists. It sells tickets, it impresses basketball neophytes, and it makes for good highlights. You win championships on the other side of the ball, in every sport, all the time. Doesn't mean you have to suck offensively, but if you can't defend the rest is just garbage.

 

[bajaden]

Those teams weren't great offensive teams. they just understood that you win championships on the other side of the ball. Offense is for tourists. It sells tickets, it impresses basketball neophytes, and it makes for good highlights. You win championships on the other side of the ball, in every sport, all the time. Doesn't mean you have to suck offensively, but if you can't defend the rest is just garbage.

I'm not sure, but I think you just called the Kings garbage. I wonder what day they pick up the garbage?

 

[kennadog]

I'm not sure, but I think you just called the Kings garbage. I wonder what day they pick up the garbage?

Hopefully 02/14/09.

 

[CruzDude]

Key is defending the paint and rebounding

Let's not forget a few things that the Celtics, Pistons, and Bulls all won championships with a big who was not called upon to score at all, but rather to rebound and block shots. Would it kill the Kings to have one guy on the team who is defensively minded and could control the paint?

Those teams weren't great offensive teams. they just understood that you win championships on the other side of the ball. Offense is for tourists. It sells tickets, it impresses basketball neophytes, and it makes for good highlights. You win championships on the other side of the ball, in every sport, all the time. Doesn't mean you have to suck offensively, but if you can't defend the rest is just garbage.

These two quotes sum up the entire situation and need. Salmons (if he stays), Kevin, Beno, Cisco and JT can all score 20+ on any given night and all but JT I believe have scored 30. Don't know if Chandler is the way to go as he gets lots of easy shots while the D tries to defend/double Paul and Peja.

Guess we need to research what centers are out there on the trade boards who can defend and protect the paint.

 

[Sarunas]

Well, Chandler doesn't really block many shots and Thabeet and him on the floor together would be absolutley anemic offensively. I mean you are talking about 2 players who have to be 2 feet from the basket.

Since when have we had guys who can score inside anyways? I doubt thabeet and chandler would ever be playing together anyway, it was more of a fun hypothetical thing. You dont need a great inside scoring threat in order to be a good team in this league...