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randymoss1881
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The only coincidence is cousins being gone. Jeez go ask jazz fans about Corbin he got bashed his whole time there.
I don't need to ask Jazz fans anything about Ty Corbin, as I would give their opinion little to no credence. Being the head coach after Sloan does not equate to being an assistant coach to Mike Malone. I've seen what he's done here and that's good enough for me. He and Corliss played together at one time and they both have a terrific rapport with the players. That's important.
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KingMilz
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Without Cousins we are 1-17 basically the same as the 76ers this year and we could have easily been 0-18.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
It's Malone's fault for not teaching the guys how to shoot. #FireEverybody
Chubbs
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Have you considered that might be because the random bench players aren't that good?
He can't play the starters 45 mpg. Rudy, Boogie and DC have all been hurt/sick already. It's a long season. He has to rest the starters somehow. He has 3 undersized "PFs" (dwill, Landry and Evans) to turn into a PF and Center plus perennial 12th man of the year candidate super sub Ryan Hollins. Plus two super young guards giving absolutely nothing in Nik and Ray, and moreland who will be eaten alive if he got meaningful minutes. That's the bench. Oh, and Ramon, who has arguably been the best of that rotten bunch the past few games but also has struggled mightily.
With casspi doing the roller coaster thing he's done he's whole career (he's currently free falling), the bench is just bad. NBA worst bad.
Heuge
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Sometimes that word is appropriate when responding to a post/thread. It is indeed, very foolish to judge a coaches work without their best player.
Glenn
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As the virus can be of many kinds, you might be right.
I mentioned that. Little kids are walking bags of germs.
ShastaKingsFan
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Yeah, he should have subbed in Ramon Sessions for him
gunks
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I kinda came off a little strong, I just dont think its fair to pin this all on Malone.
And I agree, Pete has done a good job. He's made some missteps, but at this point his good moves outweigh his bad.
I think I'm still a bit peeved that PDA was thinking his job was done during our hot start, when one look at the roster would tell you that it is far from done.
He's given us a great, balanced, starting 5. Its the bench that needs a ton of work.
Nothing happens overnight. I have confidence in Pete, which isnt something I could say before this last offseason. But it is unfair to blame Malone when the roster remains a huge work in progress.
I must have missed something. Why do you believe that he thought his job was done?
Livinthedream
All-Star
There are only a couple things I question about Malone. 1. is was he not able to get the most out of PPat and Greivis (I know he was coming off an injury) or was there something else going on? 2. Is if he plays favorites, prefers vets or what is going on. I'm not completely sure about his rotations and why he does what he does.
That being said, all good coaches have star players. They don't create those stars, but those stars make up for the flaws of coaches and other players. Right now we don't have our star. Malone will still have to get some wins and hold on for a few more games until Cousins comes back, but I have a hard time judging him based on games without his franchise player.
That being said, all good coaches have star players. They don't create those stars, but those stars make up for the flaws of coaches and other players. Right now we don't have our star. Malone will still have to get some wins and hold on for a few more games until Cousins comes back, but I have a hard time judging him based on games without his franchise player.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Those are both interesting points. I think P-Pat was going through a bad slump at the start of the season where he just kept clanging corner threes off the side of the rim (sorta like Nik, only he managed to hit metal). In Greivis's case, I think it was a combination of bad fit (Malone likes defense, Greivis does not.), a bad start (an already unathletic player playing like his foot has caught in a bear trap), and IT being IT (in other words, "I should be starting, rabble rabble rabble rabble.")
The rotations one is a little puzzling but, for the most part, they were pretty set until right about where our three best players started getting hurt. Reggie had fallen out of the rotation in favor of Landry and D-Will as the two bench "bigs" (JT was also seeing more time with the second unit to compensate for the size loss), Casspi was getting a solid 15-19 minutes a game as an energy guy, Nik was, for better or worse, spelling Ben for around 11 minutes a night (with Casspi filling in a few minutes at times as well), Ramon was doing his Ramon thing for however long we could bear it. Things were starting to get set.
But then injuries happened and the rest is history.
Kingster
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There's not much left on the shelf without Cousins. Gay shines as a second or third wheel, but has both offensive and defensive shortcomings that become glaring when he's #1. When Collison is forced to score more because of the #1 scorer being out, he can't pick his spots like he used to; he has to manufacture offense by himself; and he's not above average at doing that. Maybe with several more months of coaching this team can be cohesive enough to play without Cousins and possibly reach a .500 level. But that appears to be a big maybe right now. Especially when the entire team is built on the keystone of Cousins. Take that keystone out and the entire pyramid falls down.
ShastaKingsFan
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I believe its in "reference" to Pete's quote that he wanted to stay with the current roster for a while...or something similar. Going away from the constantly active that he's been up until that point.
Who knows, maybe they just decided it was time to do more work without talking about it to the public. A lot of the time it almost seemed like a marketing tactic anyhow, with how much of his trade talk was in the media
gunks
Hall of Famer
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/235481/Kings-Taking-Wait-And-See-Approach-With-Current-Roster
Now, obviously I am being a being super hyperbolic and extreme with my interpretation of PDA's quotes, as is my right as a flighty, opinionated, message board poster.
It wasn't really my intention to bash PDA. I used to be a hater, but I've really warmed up to the guy. And we don't really have a lot of trade-able assets on the team right now. Roster improvement will (hopefully) come over the summer with FA signings.
I just don't think it's fair to hate on Malone, when really, Cousins being out is just highlighting the HUGE holes that remain on our roster, as well as how inconsistent our bench is.
That being said, the team is looking waaaaaay better than the junk that was trotted out during the last ten years of the Magoof/Petrie era.
rainmaker
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At the least, with Cuz possibly being out a fair amount of time, we're going to have to start seeing more motion in our offense, screens/cuts/misdirection and the ability to create easier looks. We're going to need to see Rudy operating more in the post and cutters/spacing off him. We're going to have to have Ben looked at and created for as a 3rd option, not just hoping to fall into 3-5 shots a night.
We're going to have to see some real adjustments. This roster lacks talent and fitting pieces but with Cuz out we're not using the pieces we do have as well as we can. Yes the team is designed to be built around Cuz but at this point, we have to create easier opportunities for others and we have to have more movement and designed sets to create those opportunities. That will largely come down to coaching, especially since more movement/motion has been a topic from Malone since Oct. Let's see it. Whether we win some of these or not is impacted by a number of other issues but getting easier shots can be done and having a better chance at winning does fall on the coaching staff.
I'm not one who really feels a need for a motion offense or movement as much as some here, not when Cuz/Rudy are both out there as you ride supreme talent, but when Cuz is out now is the time to see it. We don't have other options here.
We're going to have to see some real adjustments. This roster lacks talent and fitting pieces but with Cuz out we're not using the pieces we do have as well as we can. Yes the team is designed to be built around Cuz but at this point, we have to create easier opportunities for others and we have to have more movement and designed sets to create those opportunities. That will largely come down to coaching, especially since more movement/motion has been a topic from Malone since Oct. Let's see it. Whether we win some of these or not is impacted by a number of other issues but getting easier shots can be done and having a better chance at winning does fall on the coaching staff.
I'm not one who really feels a need for a motion offense or movement as much as some here, not when Cuz/Rudy are both out there as you ride supreme talent, but when Cuz is out now is the time to see it. We don't have other options here.
It did get me thinking about why teams utilize a motion offense, and it's usually because they don't have that #1 go to guy that makes things hum. It's to compensate. That's what we need to get to. Not because of an overall team philosophy, but because we do need that backup plan when Cousins goes down. It shouldn't ever be "feed Evans/Hollins" and have him create spacing. Our wings need to learn to move better without the ball anyway, and forcing them to move will be a good thing.
Kingster
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The motion offense requires players who can shoot from a standstill, shoot coming off a pick, pass while standing, pass off the dribble, move without the ball, drive and screen. It is hardly the poor man's offense.
The question that should be asked is: Do we have the type of players who can play the motion offense? Is Gay really that guy? I think not. Is Collison? Maybe. I have my doubts. Cousins could be that guy if he cures his turnover bug, but for the time being that is questionable. We're more than a month into the season. If this team's skill set for the motion offense was fairly high, I doubt the motion offense would be as limited as we currently see.
The question that should be asked is: Do we have the type of players who can play the motion offense? Is Gay really that guy? I think not. Is Collison? Maybe. I have my doubts. Cousins could be that guy if he cures his turnover bug, but for the time being that is questionable. We're more than a month into the season. If this team's skill set for the motion offense was fairly high, I doubt the motion offense would be as limited as we currently see.
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/235481/Kings-Taking-Wait-And-See-Approach-With-Current-Roster
Now, obviously I am being a being super hyperbolic and extreme with my interpretation of PDA's quotes, as is my right as a flighty, opinionated, message board poster.
It wasn't really my intention to bash PDA. I used to be a hater, but I've really warmed up to the guy. And we don't really have a lot of trade-able assets on the team right now. Roster improvement will (hopefully) come over the summer with FA signings.
I just don't think it's fair to hate on Malone, when really, Cousins being out is just highlighting the HUGE holes that remain on our roster, as well as how inconsistent our bench is.
That being said, the team is looking waaaaaay better than the junk that was trotted out during the last ten years of the Magoof/Petrie era.
I think PDA was being PC when he said they were going to stand pat. After all, he's trying to build a cohesive team that will work like a team. If he had said, for example, "Yeah, we've got some good guys but there are also some pieces that just will not work and I'm gonna try and dump them as soon as possible..." You know what I mean?
From what I've seen of PDA this far, I think he's the kind who is always looking for a way to improve the team but just doesn't make that search public.
Bottom line, I at least respect that he's done things that are taking the team in the right direction. As much as I once respected Petrie, it was clear he could no longer do that for far too long.
GO KINGS!
Chubbs
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Malone seemed to tell a few guys that it was ok not to suck last night. Ramon and Nik in particular. Coaching!
Now if he could only coach Reggie Evans into being a defender. And Carl landry into earning at least some of his money. Am I the only one noticing Carl has been just as bad as Ramon was in the early going? The wrath of King's fans remains firmly targeted on Ramon Sessions for reasons unknown. Snap judgements? Is it cause he's not IT.
Never mind. Now I get it.
Now if he could only coach Reggie Evans into being a defender. And Carl landry into earning at least some of his money. Am I the only one noticing Carl has been just as bad as Ramon was in the early going? The wrath of King's fans remains firmly targeted on Ramon Sessions for reasons unknown. Snap judgements? Is it cause he's not IT.
Never mind. Now I get it.
Andriod_KiNg
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You keep a line up of Landry (-3), Sessions (-12), Williams (-11), Nik (-8), and Hollins(-8) on the floor late in the 4th Q ?
We had solid 6 point lead and they went up the floor 6 or 7 times and came up empty handed.
We had solid 6 point lead and they went up the floor 6 or 7 times and came up empty handed.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Well actually Collison was out there with that unit for most of the 4th quarter and Sessions came in when the starters started returning to give DC a breather.
Andriod_KiNg
Starter
Absolutely not true, Sessions came in at 8:12 in the 4th, stayed on with Landry, Hollins, Nik, and Willaims until Gay came in 6:12 ,then 3/4 of the starters didn't return until 4:25 then Evans finally came back in 1:59 after we gave up two offensive rebounds.
KingsFanGER
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Nothing to do with coaching, if we are not able to control the defensive glass and missing a bunch of FT's and of course keep turning the ball over on stupid plays all the time.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Sounds like we're missing the best rebounder in the league or something.
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