Major changes needed now!

[BLNINJA #81]

This just isn't working out. We have some wonderful pieces, but none of this fits together. It's like trying to jam a mismatched jigzaw together. WTF!?

First off, Hart must go.. no questions.

As much as I like Adelman (tho he makes me pull my hair at times), he must go. We may not find anyone worthy to replace him anytime soon, but his coaching style is not working with this team and it's soooo painfully obvious.

People these days make Peja out to be some sort of scrub, which he is far from being. However, his game is no longer a fit for this type of team. The offense is often broken trying to create for him while spacing is minimal due to the lack of a true dominant inside force. Trading him would be a wise option for someone who can create/drive/defend at the SF position. Other alternatives can also include someone who is a more dominating inside presence, which would require other moves for the PF position.

KT/Rahim - One of these guys must depart. Neither can get into the flow off the bench (Rahim proved this in Portland) or can provide an adequte inside presence due to size issues. Even though Rahim is our best post option at the moment, he isn't powerful enough to sustain such output defensively or on rebounding to help further this team. A trade of either player for a post/rebound type guy for PF is highly recommended. Other options would include perhaps a less skilled bench PF type who is able to spark off the bench without needing much playing time to contribute.

Bibby/Miller: Why we keep them
Reason is simple. Without them a good portion of the offense needed would be lost. Despite obvious defensive/rebounding deficiencies, we should be able to use other pieces to acquire a defender/shotblocker to help out at C or PF, in which case C would effectively move Miller over to PF.

Kevin Martin is a nice developing young player; a natural scorer when given the opportunity. Problem is, he doesn't spread the floor. Now if you have someone like Peja gone who could, you would need to have him dangling as a throwin in a trade for a spark-type 3pt shooter off the bench. Packaging him with Corliss would be a good Idea.

If Petrie isn't able to do the tasks that need to be done, perhaps he needs to be let go with Rick as well. Then just maybe we can find someone who is willing to take these wise risks. However GM's that talented don't grow on trees.. so the jury is out.. for now.

 

[Bricklayer]

If Petrie isn't able to do the tasks that need to be done, perhaps he needs to be let go with Rick as well. Then just maybe we can find someone who is willing to take these wise risks. However GM's that talented don't grow on trees.. so the jury is out.. for now.

Fortunately I am available however, and if somebody would just kindly forward my resume over to the Maloofs, I will cheerfully take over the GM reins for 1/10th of what he earns.

And heads will roll!

 

[AleksandarN]

You have some valid point but the one I disagree on is keeping Bibby/Miller. If we are to become a better team defensely then one of the two if not both of them should be traded. This core is rotten, time to build another team "core" and this time one that defensive orientated or at least can play some defense.

 

[KiNgMyC]

First off, Hart must go.. no questions.

AGREED. Get that loser off the team.

 

[ParniValjak]

Thats all well and good in theory but in practice its a bit different.

I agree whole-heartedly that changes need to be made. Not a change but changes. One move won't make this team elite. A couple of moves could.

We suck right now but I still don't see the point of having to make a trade NOW. Why rush it?????? Does anyone really beleive that we can make the play offs with these mismatched pieces?????? If you do, I suggest yout hink about it a bit more.

I think our most pressing need is an inside force both offensively and defensively. Brad is an average defender but for arguments sake if you pair him with Jermaine O'Neal, he is not as exposed ebcause JO covers for him and protects the basket. You can have as many stud outside players as you want but a stud insive player (PF/C) is worth his weight in gold. We need a PF or a C that gets it done at both ends of the court consistently. Someone that will draw double teams on offence and block shots, rebound and play tough defence.

That sort of player would solve a fair few of our interior problems. If we are keeping Bibby then you need a stud defensive player at SG that will cover for Bibby just like Christie used to.

Those are 2 types of players we need but they are bloody tough to get so why rush to make a deal for the sake of making it. The season is shot already so bide your time and make a move by the deadline that actually provides you with some foundation.

I still don't think the coach is the problem. He is a lot better than what we would get as a replacement and beleive it or not he does know how to coach. He just needs pieces that fir the puzzle which he clearly doesn't have at this stage.

We definetly need moves but I would rather we make the right move than make the move just for the sake of making one.

 

[BLNINJA #81]

I think our most pressing need is an inside force both offensively and defensively. Brad is an average defender but for arguments sake if you pair him with Jermaine O'Neal, he is not as exposed ebcause JO covers for him and protects the basket. You can have as many stud outside players as you want but a stud insive player (PF/C) is worth his weight in gold. We need a PF or a C that gets it done at both ends of the court consistently. Someone that will draw double teams on offence and block shots, rebound and play tough defence.

This is precisely the reason I say we keep him. He would be a lot more valuable after a move for such a player more than he is now. It would also help cover for Bibby who lets a vast array of offending players by him.

 

[BMiller52]

I agree. I have no problem of shipping Peja/Rahim or even Bonzi(even though I like him) off to get a good player LIKE Jermaine O'neal next to brad. I think Kevin can be the good defensive player next to mike, he did a good job tonight on korver(if I recall correctly philly put iguodala on peja). and he covered pierce well the last game vs the celts(pierce got some star calls though -.-). I'm really starting to think we should keep brad and maybe mike and trade everyone for expirers, young players, and picks and try to get LaMarcus Aldridge or shelden williams in the draft. I don't know, Geoff has resources he's just not using them.

 

[Kris Kros]

Fortunately I am available however, and if somebody would just kindly forward my resume over to the Maloofs, I will cheerfully take over the GM reins for 1/10th of what he earns.

And heads will roll!

Sounds good to me. And I approve this message.

 

[ParniValjak]

I agree. I have no problem of shipping Peja/Rahim or even Bonzi(even though I like him) off to get a good player LIKE Jermaine O'neal next to brad. I think Kevin can be the good defensive player next to mike, he did a good job tonight on korver(if I recall correctly philly put iguodala on peja). and he covered pierce well the last game vs the celts(pierce got some star calls though -.-). I'm really starting to think we should keep brad and maybe mike and trade everyone for expirers, young players, and picks and try to get LaMarcus Aldridge or shelden williams in the draft. I don't know, Geoff has resources he's just not using them.

I used JO as an example. I am pretty sure Indiana wouldn't entertain the idea of trading him for our players.

I was more thinking about a player of that ilk.

 

[BLNINJA #81]

Bonzi has showed his value with versatility and rebounding. No way in hell he should go. (Unless it's involving a major star in return of course)

 

[BMiller52]

I used JO as an example. I am pretty sure Indiana wouldn't entertain the idea of trading him for our players.

I was more thinking about a player of that ilk.

I know, but I've said before that he's a perfect fit for our team... I was using him as an example too. That's why LIKE is capitolized.

 

[AleksandarN]

Bonzi has showed his value with versatility and rebounding. No way in hell he should go. (Unless it's involving a major star in return of course)

Well if you keep Bonzi then Bibby would have to go if we are improve defensely otherwise we would still have the same problems we have on defense.

 

[ParniValjak]

I know, but I've said before that he's a perfect fit for our team... I was using him as an example too. That's why LIKE is capitolized.

I don't know about perfect fir but hell you would want him either way.

The player that would be a perfect fit would be KG followed by Chris Bosh. Those 2 would be what I would call perfect fits for the Kings.

 

[ParniValjak]

Well if you keep Bonzi then Bibby would have to go if we are improve defensely otherwise we would still have the same problems we have on defense.

That I agree with unless of course you move Bonzi to SF and get a SG that is a consistent threat from downtown to keep the defences honest.

A line up of

Hinrich or Chris Paul
Bonzi
Peja
KG or Bosh
Miller

would also be a pretty good team

Dreampipe stuff I know

 

[Gary]

I would love a guy like Jermaine O'neal on the Kings. I would give up anyone on the team except Miller for a guy like O'neal. It's obvious Peja is not playing like he wants to be here. He has wore out his welcome, and is mentally "gone".

You know who I think fits our team at the SF position? HEDO!!! Yes HEDO! I would love to bring him back as well.

Make a 3 team trade involving Indy, Sac, and Orlando.

Indy trades O'neal, and Artest
Sacramento trades Peja, KT, Wells
Orlando trades Hedo, and Howard

Indy recv Howard, and Peja
Sacramento recv O'neal, and Hedo
Orlando recv Artest, KT, and Wells


Sac looks like this;
C-Miller
PF-O'Neal
SF-Hedo
SG-Martin
PG-Bibby
Much improved, and now we have that main guy again. The rest of the team plays roles with O'Neal being the main player. Martin focuses on D, and plays the role Doug played, Bibby plays pick and roll with O'Neal. Miller plays tough like he used to. Hedo plays tough as well, and goes to the floor for loose balls.

Indy looks like this;
C-Bender
PF-Howard
SF-Peja
SG-Jackson
PG-Tinsley

This lineup looks scary on paper.

Orlando looke like this;
C-Cato
PF-KT
SF-Artest
SG-Wells
PG-Francis

Looks good at the guard positions, and SF, but thin up front.

 

[LPKingsFan]

That Kings lineup looks good, but I'm afraid this trade is too good to be true. Unless you're a Magic or Pacer fan.

 

[Mike0476]

I like getting O'Neal (22 PPG & 10 RPG) but I don't want to go back to the past with Hedo. Besides, he doesn't help our rebounding woes at the SF position (3.6 RPG).

If I'm Indiana, I'd think about Howard. He's a young stud (20 years old, 14 PPG & 12 RPG).

Which brings me to Orlando. Why trade Howard to get KT? Sure you get Artest and Wells, but you lose what is your franchise player. Sorry, Francis is not their franchise player. Orlando doesn't do the deal for a head case like Artest. At least I wouldn't if I was Orlando.

 

[Bricklayer]

Guys, barring some complete collapse of common sense on the other end J. O'Neal and maybe even moreso Dwight Howard are likely completely off the table unless KG is coming back the other way.

 

[ParniValjak]

Guys, barring some complete collapse of common sense on the other end J. O'Neal and maybe even moreso Dwight Howard are likely completely off the table unless KG is coming back the other way.

Agreed

However, I do think that Bosh might be available if Toronto feels like he will go elsewhere when his contract expires (which is still a couple of years away)

Nene is another one that is gettable IMHO. I think this might be a risk we should take.

 

[BLNINJA #81]

I'm dying and hoping for something to happen today. I'm sick of seeing the same stuff. Let's hope they make this interesting...

 

[DeAtHrOw]

Agreed

However, I do think that Bosh might be available if Toronto feels like he will go elsewhere when his contract expires (which is still a couple of years away)

Nene is another one that is gettable IMHO. I think this might be a risk we should take.

Trust me on this...we do not have what it takes to get Bosh even if he was available.

 

[playmaker0017]

Guys, barring some complete collapse of common sense on the other end J. O'Neal and maybe even moreso Dwight Howard are likely completely off the table unless KG is coming back the other way.

Even KG ... if I'm Orlando ... no one touches Howard unless his name is Lebron.

 

[macadocious]

It absolutely kills me all the fire Petrie and fire Adelman talks that occur on this site, I do not post that often but I peruse quite often.

Petrie is a top 5 GM in this league if not the best, has every move he has ever made worked out, no of course not, but at least he is consistenlty trying to make our team better. As for the webber trade, he got what value he thought he could get at the time, it still does not show whether it was good trade or not, it has been less than 82 games, and I do not think anyone was delusional enough to think that trade was made with the intention of competing for the championship this year.

I honestly believe that he had a trade for some of the pieces he traded for and possibly a core player all but finalized and it did not go through, but he and the Kings Org. are so secretitive we would never know.

Yes he has made some

 

[macadocious]

sorry...

Yes he has made some questionable moves, such as Walt Williams for Billy O back in the day, but he also made some great ones, including drafting Peja, which everyone gave him crap for for over 3 years, and getting Webb for who was at the time the Kings best player ever, Mitch.


Now as for Adelman, he is by no means the greatest coach in the NBA, but he is in the top 50% if not top 1/3. I have never liked his substitution patterns or his 7 man playoff rotation, but if we got rid of him, who would replace him. Also you cannot use the argument the team has stopped listening to him because it is almost an entirely new team.